City Select

[peter]

When you purchase a particular map set, either Topo or CS or CN. Does Garmon automatically provide updates that are downloadable off the support web site to keep your map up to date?

 

What is their policy to upgrade from one product to another as a registered user?

Topo has never been upgraded, but MG, CS, and CN have been getting annual upgrades. For CS and CN (i.e. the locked copy-protected maps) Garmin sends our update CD/DVDs for free but you then have to pay online to get an unlock code. Currently the cost is $50 for CS-NA. To upgrade between map products (such as MG to CS) there is no discount - you just buy the new product you want at regular retail price.

 

But I don't see the upgrade cost as being the real issue here. The problem is forced obsolescence of the GPS receiver. Your 76cs has enough memory that it's not too big a problem, but it'll still affect you some if you eventually need to use CN with the larger region sizes. For example, with the current CS maps you can plot a route from SF to NY and it'll almost all fit in the 115 MB memory of your GPS. But if you had to use the larger regions and take in lots of unneeded space around the planned route you'd only be able to load maps to get you to the midwest - not all the way across the country. So don't cancel your order for CS-NA - it may be your last chance to get the best arrangement of street maps for your current GPS.

 

The major problem is for those who have units with even less memory. The LegendC, VistaC, Map60, and GPS V are almost unusable with the larger regions and the 60c/cs are pretty marginal.

 

Hopefully Garmin will get enough feedback to make them produce a version of CN with the smaller regions.

[robertlipe]

See the other thread at http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php...0entry1820649 for tagible examples of what Peter is describing.

[Vlad]

and along the same line as peter's comment - it's not the maps so much... garmin is bringing out new hardware so quickly that i'm beginning to question my purchase of a 2610.

 

i wanted the custom poi support for speed/red light cameras - i have emailed garmin several times in past asking for a solution (how 'bout greater than 10 proximity waypoints). unfortunately they're not building in poi support because i think they want me to buy a new 2720 or one of the many devices they now sell that support that capability. they seem to be moving more and more towards "replace with new" hardware rather than "enhance existing" hardware.

 

i suppose if i'm a stockholder that might be good for me, but as a garmin customer/user it concerns me just a little... automotive gps products seem to be coming out with new functionality practically daily - i've never supported a wait and see attitude on tech but this behaviour is making me rethink that position.

 

rant hat off...

[+Maingray]

..and how about the inability of Legend C to auto-route with City Navigator.

[+jotne]

..and how about the inability of Legend C to auto-route with City Navigator.

Are you sure that CN does not autoroute on Legend C.

Have you tested it your self, with an walid unlock key on

the Legend C?

Edited November 13, 2005 by jotne

[CenTexDodger]

I wrote the following message to Garmin Tech Support (I was not sure where to send it, so I sent it to them):

 

Dear Sir,

 

I am a current user of a Garmin GPSmap60cs. I use City Select V6, along with Topo USA and these software products work very well in my unit. I was disappointed to learn that City Select will no longer be produced after V7.

I underdstand that the map data in City Navigator is virtually identical to the map data in City Select; however, the large map segments in City Navigator will make it difficult for users of fixed memory handhelds (such as the 60cs) to build a custom map upload to suit their individual needs.

Such large map segments will force users to load large areas they do not need at the expense of areas they do need. Please consider us fixed memory handheld users as you design V8 of City Navigator. Perhaps you can produce a small segment version for handheld users and a large segment version for fixed mount, large capacity users. Also, please consider allowing current City Select users to upgrade to City Navigator for the upgrade cost, rather than requiring us to pay full price for the new software.

 

I sincerely believe that you have your users and customers best interests at heart, and I am confident that you will consider how your products are used as you implement upgrades in the future.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and thank you for producing the high quality products that I have come to depend on. There are many loyal Garmin users/cheerleaders in the handheld GPS community, and I am confident that you can produce products that we can continue to rely on and cheer about.

 

Sincerely,

 

CenTexDodger

 

I received the following response:

 

Thank you for contacting Garmin,

 

I've posted your letter to our suggestions box, and I really believe they'll address many of your (and my) concerns in the next release of software. 

 

Best regards,

 

Carl Huffman

Product Support Specialist

Garmin International

1200 E. 151st Street

Olathe, KS 66062

Ph. 1-800-800-1020

Fax 1-913-440-5488

 

Maybe they are starting to hear us out there.

[stevesisti]

I wrote the following message to Garmin Tech Support (I was not sure where to send it, so I sent it to them):

 

Dear Sir,

 

I am a current user of a Garmin GPSmap60cs. I use City Select V6, along with Topo USA and these software products work very well in my unit. I was disappointed to learn that City Select will no longer be produced after V7.

I underdstand that the map data in City Navigator is virtually identical to the map data in City Select; however, the large map segments in City Navigator will make it difficult for users of fixed memory handhelds (such as the 60cs) to build a custom map upload to suit their individual needs.

Such large map segments will force users to load large areas they do not need at the expense of areas they do need. Please consider us fixed memory handheld users as you design V8 of City Navigator. Perhaps you can produce a small segment version for handheld users and a large segment version for fixed mount, large capacity users. Also, please consider allowing current City Select users to upgrade to City Navigator for the upgrade cost, rather than requiring us to pay full price for the new software.

 

I sincerely believe that you have your users and customers best interests at heart, and I am confident that you will consider how your products are used as you implement upgrades in the future.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and thank you for producing the high quality products that I have come to depend on. There are many loyal Garmin users/cheerleaders in the handheld GPS community, and I am confident that you can produce products that we can continue to rely on and cheer about.

 

Sincerely,

 

CenTexDodger

 

I received the following response:

 

Thank you for contacting Garmin,

 

I've posted your letter to our suggestions box, and I really believe they'll address many of your (and my) concerns in the next release of software. 

 

Best regards,

 

Carl Huffman

Product Support Specialist

Garmin International

1200 E. 151st Street

Olathe, KS 66062

Ph. 1-800-800-1020

Fax 1-913-440-5488

 

Maybe they are starting to hear us out there.

Seems like a reasonable response....I really would be shocked if they didn't address this, as it would be "sucidal" to leave 24 meg units unable to load certain map sets. I would guess they already have..they just haven't released the details.

[Neo_Geo]

Dear Sir,

 

I am a current user of a Garmin GPSmap60cs. I use City Select V6, along with Topo USA and these software products work very well in my unit. I was disappointed to learn that City Select will no longer be produced after V7.

I underdstand that the map data in City Navigator is virtually identical to the map data in City Select; however, the large map segments in City Navigator will make it difficult for users of fixed memory handhelds (such as the 60cs) to build a custom map upload to suit their individual needs.

Such large map segments will force users to load large areas they do not need at the expense of areas they do need. Please consider us fixed memory handheld users as you design V8 of City Navigator. Perhaps you can produce a small segment version for handheld users and a large segment version for fixed mount, large capacity users. Also, please consider allowing current City Select users to upgrade to City Navigator for the upgrade cost, rather than requiring us to pay full price for the new software.

 

I sincerely believe that you have your users and customers best interests at heart, and I am confident that you will consider how your products are used as you implement upgrades in the future.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and thank you for producing the high quality products that I have come to depend on. There are many loyal Garmin users/cheerleaders in the handheld GPS community, and I am confident that you can produce products that we can continue to rely on and cheer about.

 

Sincerely,

 

CenTexDodger

 

Very well said. I like the reponse they sent back to you much more than the one I got!

 

Anyone who doesn't have the time or skill to compose such a letter would do well to copy and paste the contents of CenTexDodger's letter above and send to techsupp@garmin.com

 

...That is if CenTexDodger has no objections....

[CenTexDodger]

...That is if CenTexDodger has no objections....

That would be fine with me, and thanks for the compliment!

 

If anyone does use it I would ask that they personalize it some if they can so it does not look like we are running a mass e-mail campaign!

[cam_oai]

i don't if they have thought about build the card reader in the next generation GPS? like PDA and mobiles, these are already capable to read SD card, MMC and much more. my brand new Legend C only have 24mb . would be perfect if it takes MMC like my Nokia 6680

[+Renegade Knight]

I like the way Garmin works with fixed memory. It just works. I don't have to load and unload maps and waypoints. They are just there to use.

[CenTexDodger]

A would think that is the plan, or build something like a Quest 2, with a built in detailed street navigator and 140 or so mb of storage for topos. I am not as worried about the next generation of handheld as I am my current bought-and-paid-for 60cs.

[+hogrod]

with these possible new CX models metioned here

it would make think this is totally true and would eliminate any problems with region sizes.

[Neo_Geo]

with these possible new CX models metioned here

it would make think this is totally true and would eliminate any problems with region sizes.

That'd be wonderful IF Garmin would replace my old 60C for a new CX version for free. For some reason, I get a funny feeling they wouldn't be willing to do that. So the new hardware is a great solution for them to continue adding black ink to their bottom line, but that doesn't help me find new areas with my seemingly obsolete old hardware.

 

With my old 60C and version 5 City Select, I can load maps for a route about halfway across the country. The way I figure it, combining the new CX hardware with the new NT software with larger map segments, I'd probably STILL only be able to go about halfway across the country.

 

...What about the people who just plunked-down a nice chunka change on a LegendC or VistaC? They're the ones most affected by this change!

 

While the new CX versions address the issue of the desire for more map memory, I do NOT view it as a solution to this problem!

[+hogrod]

i had not thought about it that way, as with most companys i wouldn't doubt that garmin would basicly just make everyone buy a new gps/software.

if you have a garmin that can use city select you might want to buy it while you still can. i have heard of quite a few people still using older versions of city select and like it just fine. so basicly the discontinue of this software really isn't an issue since you can use the software that was made for your gps forever. unlike most people i would just sell what i had for a loss and buy the newer model/software, this is why i said the newer CX models solves the region size problem.

[CenTexDodger]

with these possible new  CX models metioned here

it would make think this is totally true and would eliminate any problems with region sizes.

That'd be wonderful IF Garmin would replace my old 60C for a new CX version for free. For some reason, I get a funny feeling they wouldn't be willing to do that. So the new hardware is a great solution for them to continue adding black ink to their bottom line, but that doesn't help me find new areas with my seemingly obsolete old hardware.

 

With my old 60C and version 5 City Select, I can load maps for a route about halfway across the country. The way I figure it, combining the new CX hardware with the new NT software with larger map segments, I'd probably STILL only be able to go about halfway across the country.

 

...What about the people who just plunked-down a nice chunka change on a LegendC or VistaC? They're the ones most affected by this change!

 

While the new CX versions address the issue of the desire for more map memory, I do NOT view it as a solution to this problem!

As cool as the new 60csx models are, I am not ready to replace my 60cs. However, I would like to continue to update the mapping software periodically. Maybe I an asking too much, but I do not think so. My 60cs is 2 1/2 years old and works flawlessly. Like NG said, I want them to continue to make software that works with my unit.

[Doug in Alaska]

As cool as the new 60csx models are, I am not ready to replace my 60cs. However, I would like to continue to update the mapping software periodically. Maybe I an asking too much, but I do not think so. My 60cs is 2 1/2 years old and works flawlessly. Like NG said, I want them to continue to make software that works with my unit.

I agree, I've only had my 60cs for a year. My wife bought it for me as a Christmas gift last year. I'm not ready to upgrade yet and I would like to continue updating the mapping software.

[jb_from_texas]

Dear Sir,

 

I am a current user of a Garmin GPSmap60cs. I use City Select V6, along with Topo USA and these software products work very well in my unit. I was disappointed to learn that City Select will no longer be produced after V7.

I underdstand that the map data in City Navigator is virtually identical to the map data in City Select; however, the large map segments in City Navigator will make it difficult for users of fixed memory handhelds (such as the 60cs) to build a custom map upload to suit their individual needs.

Such large map segments will force users to load large areas they do not need at the expense of areas they do need. Please consider us fixed memory handheld users as you design V8 of City Navigator. Perhaps you can produce a small segment version for handheld users and a large segment version for fixed mount, large capacity users. Also, please consider allowing current City Select users to upgrade to City Navigator for the upgrade cost, rather than requiring us to pay full price for the new software.

 

I sincerely believe that you have your users and customers best interests at heart, and I am confident that you will consider how your products are used as you implement upgrades in the future.

 

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and thank you for producing the high quality products that I have come to depend on. There are many loyal Garmin users/cheerleaders in the handheld GPS community, and I am confident that you can produce products that we can continue to rely on and cheer about.

 

Sincerely,

 

CenTexDodger

 

Very well said. I like the reponse they sent back to you much more than the one I got!

 

Anyone who doesn't have the time or skill to compose such a letter would do well to copy and paste the contents of CenTexDodger's letter above and send to techsupp@garmin.com

 

...That is if CenTexDodger has no objections....

Here is my response from Garmin. It appears there are no scripted response to this as mine is a bit different than others.

 

my e-mail:

I am a current user of a Garmin GPSmap60cs. I use both City Select V6, along with Topo USA. I was disappointed to learn that City Select is being discontinued after V7.

I have heard that the map data in City Navigator is virtually identical to the map data in City Select; however, the large map segments in City Navigator will make it difficult for users of fixed memory handhelds (such as the 60cs) to build a custom map upload.

Please consider us fixed memory handheld users as you design V8 of City Navigator. Maybe you can produce a small segment version for handheld users and a large segment version for fixed mount, large capacity users. Also, please consider allowing current City Select users to upgrade to City Navigator for the upgrade cost, rather than requiring us to pay full price for the new software.

 

I love my 60cs but am fearful it will become obsolete if the above becomes reality without a smaller map segment version.

 

I would love to receive a reply with any and all info.

 

Thanks,

 

Garmin response:

Thank you for Contacting Garmin International. I do not have a lot of information about what is going to happen when version 7 of City Select is no longer available. Now, I can tell you this: The units like you have will be considered when we go to the City Navigator as the mapping product for the handheld units. There will be changes made to make the software feasible to all our units that will be using it.

 

If you have any further questions, feel free to respond to this email or call our technical support line.

 

Best regards,

 

Matt K.

Product Support Specialist

Garmin International

P: 913-397-8448

P: 1-800-800-1020 (toll free)

Fax: 913-440-5488

[CenTexDodger]

Sounds like another reasonable response. It also sounds like we are being heard in Olathe. I am sure they are trying to take care of their handheld customers.

[NbnVerb]

Should those of us that have CSv6 go ahead and purchase v7? Is there that much of a difference?

I went on the website and still looks it sells for $130ish? Where are people getting it for cheaper?

 

or should we sit on this for awhile to see what Garmin decides to do?

[spyder40]

Why not just buy a GPS 18 Deluxe which comes with City Select as well as a GPS for a PC? TigerGPS has the package for $109 and it can be had elsewhere for $119.

 

http://www.garmin.com/products/gps18/

http://www.tigergps.com/gagps18sefor.html

[robertlipe]

If you have CS6 and want CS7, remember that the fifth post in this thread highlighted that the price of the upgrade was recently cut to $50.

[NbnVerb]

thanks

Edited November 30, 2005 by NbnVerb

[bgray9]

As someone who just bought a Legend C and CS7 (first GPS unit purchase!), reading this thread makes me rather concerned. Hopefully whatever changes Garmin makes will take into consideration the considerable base of units already out there. I really like my Legend C so far, but I can't help but wonder if I'll need to upgrade sooner than expected to a unit with more memory.

[cam_oai]

, i just got my legend C last week too. i saw that garmin will release the Legend Cx which has tranflash memory. maybe ppl should wait and see the new one. 24mb ok if you have a laptop and take it with you so you can load maps.

[+Dog Star]

I just tried to order CS V. 7 today to go with my new (unopened) Garmin 60CS, and was told it was discontinued and from now on they would ship CN in its place for the same price. My only concern is what I have read about the regions being in bigger chunks with CN, and using lots of memory in my 60CS. Now I'm reading about a new 60 model that will take memory cards, and I'm second guessing my 60CS purchase. I know I could chase technology forever and keep spending ever more, but... I'd love to have more memory if I really need it. Any recommendations from more experienced cachers?

[+royta]

I just tried to order CS V. 7 today to go with my new (unopened) Garmin 60CS, and was told it was discontinued and from now on they would ship CN in its place for the same price. My only concern is what I have read about the regions being in bigger chunks with CN, and using lots of memory in my 60CS. Now I'm reading about a new 60 model that will take memory cards, and I'm second guessing my 60CS purchase. I know I could chase technology forever and keep spending ever more, but... I'd love to have more memory if I really need it. Any recommendations from more experienced cachers?

That's not good. I have a 60CS and use CSNA6. I didn't think there were enough changes to justify upgrading to CSNA7, but with all of this talk of discontuing CS, I'm wondering if I should upgrade. It looks like if I decided to, it might be hard to get the software anyway.

[Doug in Alaska]

I also use CSNAV6. When the upgrade to version 7 was announced, I ordered the DVD online from Garmin mainly because significant changes for Alaska were supposed to be included. If I remember correctly that was sometime last summer. The DVD never showed up. I reordered it again, from their web-site, about a month ago and I still haven't seen the disk. What's up with this?

[+the hermit crabs]

I just tried to order CS V. 7 today to go with my new (unopened) Garmin 60CS, and was told it was discontinued and from now on they would ship CN in its place for the same price.

 

Where did you try to order it from? I ordered it two days ago from amazon with no problem. It's still listed on their site. It's $111.99 there. (I didn't shop around, so I have no idea if there are better prices available elsewhere; I had coupons for amazon which brought it down to $11.99.)

[+Dog Star]

I ordered from Caplink Technologies, which I like because they have free shipping. I originally ordered a Magellan explorist 600, then changed at the last minute to the Garmin 60cs, and the guy was good enough to give it to me for the same price. Several weeks later I went to order the CS v.7 for $107, and it was out of stock, replaced by the CNav. So my dilemma remains, should I order a CS v.7 from somewhere, or the CNav? I think I'll stick with the Garmin 60cs rather than wait for the new version with memory expansion. Sounds great, but I have to draw the financial line somewhere!

[peter]

So my dilemma remains, should I order a CS v.7 from somewhere, or the CNav?

The current region sizes of CityNavigator-NA are a bad match for the 60c/cs. Many of the regions are around 20 MB so you'd only be able to fit about three of them into the 56 MB memory space. That's not going to be a good situation if you want to take a longer trip somewhere and would like the whole stretch to be covered.

 

I'm still hopeful that Garmin will fix the situation and eventually offer CityNavigator again with smaller regions (which it had up through version 6) so it'll work better with models like the 60c/cs and especially the LegendC/VistaC. But in the interim I'd think you'd be better off getting CitySelect.

[+GOT GPS?]

I just got the City Select update DVD in the mail yesterday (December 1st).

 

Don't know if they have anymore of the update DVDs left, or are they out now?

[Doug in Alaska]

GOT GPS?,

 

If you would, please let us know how the update instal goes for you.

 

Thanks, Doug

[solarmoonar]

After reading this tread and about to order my first GPS, a GPSMap 76CS, I thought that if I also ordered the Auto Navigation kit I'd get City Select which comes bundled in the kit as listed on the Garmin web site's online store.

 

My dealer orders direct from Garmin, doesn't keep stock. Now I'm wondering what will show up with the kit.

[+the hermit crabs]

I just tried to order CS V. 7 today to go with my new (unopened) Garmin 60CS, and was told it was discontinued and from now on they would ship CN in its place for the same price.

 

Where did you try to order it from? I ordered it two days ago from amazon with no problem. It's still listed on their site. It's $111.99 there. (I didn't shop around, so I have no idea if there are better prices available elsewhere; I had coupons for amazon which brought it down to $11.99.)

The amazon package just got here. I ordered V7, and the packing list claims that it's V7. But it's V6!!

[+Sputnik 57]

I just tried to order CS V. 7 today to go with my new (unopened) Garmin 60CS, and was told it was discontinued and from now on they would ship CN in its place for the same price.

 

Where did you try to order it from? I ordered it two days ago from amazon with no problem. It's still listed on their site. It's $111.99 there. (I didn't shop around, so I have no idea if there are better prices available elsewhere; I had coupons for amazon which brought it down to $11.99.)

The amazon package just got here. I ordered V7, and the packing list claims that it's V7. But it's V6!!

I know that its a pain, but the silver lining is that Garmin will upgrade it to ver. 7 for free.

[+GOT GPS?]

GOT GPS?,

 

If you would, please let us know how the update instal goes for you.

 

Thanks, Doug

That Update DVD v7 worked good on install, and is showing the items, that were missing in v5 of CS.

[+the hermit crabs]

The amazon package just got here.  I ordered V7, and the packing list claims that it's V7.  But it's V6!! 

I know that its a pain, but the silver lining is that Garmin will upgrade it to ver. 7 for free.

I thought about that, and then I didn't know if they would -- even though it's V6, the receipt says it's V7, so I was thinking Garmin might say "You already have V7, so we're not upgrading you."

 

I'm just returning it to Amazon and having them send me V7.

[Doug in Alaska]

GOT GPS?,

 

If you would, please let us know how the update instal goes for you.

 

Thanks, Doug

That Update DVD v7 worked good on install, and is showing the items, that were missing in v5 of CS.

Thank you!

[Doug in Alaska]

I received my update DVD in the mail today.

[+overtaxed1]

Why not just buy a GPS 18 Deluxe which comes with City Select as well as a GPS for a PC? TigerGPS has the package for $109 and it can be had elsewhere for $119.

 

http://www.garmin.com/products/gps18/

http://www.tigergps.com/gagps18sefor.html

Can the City Select software sold in this package be loaded into a GPSr? The website reads that it is fully unlocked, but is that for computer use only? I would appreciate any input from actual users of this product.

[+GeoDigger1222]

I just upgraded yesterday from City Select v 4.01 to v7. Cost $50 and loaded up just fine.

[ardfarkle]

Although it was mentioned earlier that Garmin does not upgrade between different products, I would hope an upgrade from City Select to City Navigator would be an exception since new City Select 7 customers would be offered no upgrade path otherwise.

 

This is not addressed anywhere on the Garmin site that I can find, so I sent an email to Garmin asking for some sort of official statement regarding it. In addition I inquired about an upgrade path for products that are pre-loaded with City Select.

 

I'll post their response as soon as I get it...

[solarmoonar]

I received my auto navigation kit for the 76C and 76CS today. It came with City Select v7.0.

 

I ordered the kit, the US topo maps (which also were in the box), but sadly the GPSMAP 76 was not included and shown to be back ordered on the paperwork that came from Garmin. I wonder for how long because the ship date column was left blank.

[+TBK]

I just got my GPS 10 from Amazon and it came with CS V6. I called Garmin and they are sending the V7 DVD for free. I will post when I actually get it but they sounded pretty matter of fact. I'm running it with an iPaq H4350. Works fine. Now to unlock the 76CS!

 

TBK

Edited December 9, 2005 by TBK

[ardfarkle]

I received City Select V6 with my iQue M5. I requested a V7 upgrade DVD and had it within a week. I just hope I'll be able to 'upgrade' to City Navigator V8 verses buying it new since there is no future upgrade path for City Select.

Edited December 9, 2005 by ardfarkle

[+apersson850]

Garmin have stated that CS owners will be able to upgrade to CN (due to no other upgrade path existing in the future). Also, the cost for a CN upgrade will be reduced, to better match the former cost for a CS upgrade.

[+Klatch]

Garmin have stated that CS owners will be able to upgrade to CN (due to no other upgrade path existing in the future). Also, the cost for a CN upgrade will be reduced, to better match the former cost for a CS upgrade.

That is good news, indeed. How did you get this information, apersson850?

[ardfarkle]

Garmin have stated that CS owners will be able to upgrade to CN (due to no other upgrade path existing in the future). Also, the cost for a CN upgrade will be reduced, to better match the former cost for a CS upgrade.

See, I had not seen this before, but I just got verification of CS to CN upgrades from Garmin:

 

------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for contacting Garmin International,

 

I would be happy to help you with this. We will treat the conversion

process just as an update. The current update to City Navigator is $75.00

from a previous version, the update from City Select 7 to City Navigator 8

will be treated with the same update cost.

------------------------------------------------------

 

As far as price, I would assume the reason the CS upgrade price was dropped to $50.00 was due to its discontinuation. From what I was told above, I have to assume the upgrade price from CS to CN will be $75.00

 

I also asked about how preloaded units would be updated but they didn't address this.

Edited December 10, 2005 by ardfarkle

[rpgoldberg]

I am just two weeks new to GPS units and geocaching...I purchased the Legend C and after researching map software, planned to get the City Select. Ultimately, I found it (so I thought) and was informed that Garmin was shipping CN in its place. I knew the concerns about the larger segment sizes, but figured there wasn't much choice in the matter and went ahead with CN.

 

The segment size issue is absolutely terrible...I don't know if there is a way to lessen the size based on detail selected, but merely loading the NW portion of Florida uses up most of the memory. I want to use it for a drive up north and without segmentation, can fit just a fraction of the detail at a time for a thousand mile drive (perhaps up to 200 miles at a time due to the segment layout and in some cases less). Rarely can I fit even two segments in. This was a big reason I wanted CS but I had hoped there was a mode to lessen what was loaded...not as far as I can tell. Suddenly, the very cool Legend C becomes very limited when trying to extend its usage for driving, particularly without a laptop. One segment along the way (Raleigh, NC) will not even fit....it spans across I-95 and I-85. This is a major segment that extends all the way to much of eastern NC.

 

If I were able to get an "upgrade" to CS, I absolutely would. The limited memory and large zone sizes of CN make me truly question whether the Legend C is now sufficient.

 

Second issue...I have looked up several addresses including my own and some destinations around the country. The addresses I have looked up on CN is at least one block off (in varying directions)...is this typical? If so, is there any correction for it? The location of one is a home over 5 years old and the other is a school over 20 years old. I had hoped perhaps the patch would address it but that had no effect. I am using the 84 DATUM if that matters.

 

I have the CN v7 DVD.

 

Thanks for any input...

Ross