+gumbyatl92 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 hello, I was recently given a bunch of the little single-shot, airplane size liquor bottles. I dropped one in a cache the other day because i thought it would be a fun find. Sign a log and get a free shot. But a day later i was thinking about it and wasn't sure if this was appropriate. On one hand the vast majority of those geocaching are of age and if not they are at least old enough to drive. Most of us drank when we were 16 and I have no moral qualms about a 16 y/o getting his hands on a shot. On the other hand there is the off chance a younger kid could stumble across the cache and find it. Although, it is too little alcohol to do any actual damage I'm sure there would be an angry parent (who should have been watching his/her child in the first place) Anyways, I just wanted some feedback from the geocache community on whether not this sort of thing is an appropriate drop or not. thanks, gumbyatl92 Link to comment
+Frodo13 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Whisky brewed by Trolls? Link to comment
+JohnnyVegas Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) Whisky brewed by Trolls? That or and idiot, if not a troll I guess you never read the guidelines, you should go back and remove it liquor is not allowed. This can cause some real legal problems if some kid finds it . A large number of cachers are not of age. Edited September 29, 2005 by JohnnyVegas Link to comment
+zoltig Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Inappropriate! And by the way so are: condoms, knives, tobacco products, anything that can go boom, lighters or fuels of any sort. All this may mix with the food that is in the caches and make it taste funny. Link to comment
+Lil Elephants Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Nope... not appropriate. What shouldn't be in a cache? Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, ammo, knives, drugs, and alcohol shouldn't be placed in a cache. Respect the local laws. All ages of people hide and seek caches, so use some thought before placing an item into a cache. http://www.geocaching.com/faq/ Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) I don't think I'd call that "trolling" or an "idiot." It struck me as an honest question, asked in a thoughtful manner by a NEW GEOCACHER who obviously likes the sport enough to have already bought a premium membership. So I will try to answer honestly and thoughtfully as well. I think the Cache Contents section of the geocache listing guidelines is dispositive of the issue: Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. Food items are ALWAYS a BAD IDEA. Animals have better noses than humans, and in some cases caches have been chewed through and destroyed because food items (or items that smell like food) are in the cache. Even the presence of mint flavored dental floss has led to destruction of one cache. If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled. Based on the above, I would not leave little booze bottles in a geocache. Edited September 29, 2005 by The Leprechauns Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I would never leave perfectly good booze in a cache, within guidelines or not. Link to comment
+zoltig Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I would never leave perfectly good booze in a cache, within guidelines or not. Your such a lush, BD! Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Local laws don't allow kids to buy alcahol. That would rule it out of a cache as well. That's not to say I don't like your thought process on what's cool. I'd personally love to have the chance to bring your cache into compliance with the local laws since my wife collects those. Link to comment
+Jester2112 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Besides the fact that the guidelines specifically prohibit it, there's also the fact that I have enough trouble finding my way back to the truck when I'm sober! Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Liquor? I barely KNOW her! Link to comment
+JohnnyVegas Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Liquor? I barely KNOW her! HAAAA HAAAA Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 ...On one hand the vast majority of those geocaching are of age and if not they are at least old enough to drive. Most of us drank when we were 16 and I have no moral qualms about a 16 y/o getting his hands on a shot.... I didn't drink at 16 and I have some really serious issues with anybody that doesn't have "moral qualms" about 16 years that get thier hands on a shot that you provide. (at least here in the USA). It is illegal for minors to have or drink alcohol. Please go remove it. Totally inappropriate for all under 21. Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 ...On one hand the vast majority of those geocaching are of age and if not they are at least old enough to drive. Most of us drank when we were 16 and I have no moral qualms about a 16 y/o getting his hands on a shot.... I didn't drink at 16 and I have some really serious issues with anybody that doesn't have "moral qualms" about 16 years that get thier hands on a shot that you provide. (at least here in the USA). It is illegal for minors to have or drink alcohol. Please go remove it. Totally inappropriate for all under 21. Agree 100% - but because it is ILLEGAL - not because it's inappropriate. 21 is a stupid law, and has been since it's inception. But that's a debate for OT - I still agree it shouldn't be there. Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I'd be more than happy to help you relocate the bottles. Link to comment
+jamrasc Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I wouldn't leave it, but if I found it unopened, I'd take it! Link to comment
+WhatsRNutts Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Inappropriate! And by the way so are: condoms, knives, tobacco products, anything that can go boom, lighters or fuels of any sort. All this may mix with the food that is in the caches and make it taste funny. why aren't condoms appropriate? Link to comment
+WhatsRNutts Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 But that's a debate for OT - I still agree it shouldn't be there. on a side note...all little off topic at hand.... where is OT kept. I thought I combed the forums but I have yet to find that folder. Link to comment
+Docapi Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 The OT section is only visible to premium members. It is about 95% spam. Link to comment
+WhatsRNutts Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 so why make it premium only? that doesn't seem like much of a perk to me. lol Link to comment
+Team Perks Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 It is about 95% spam. And 5% llamas. Back on topic...legal issues aside, *any* liquid in a cache is probably a bad idea. Cache containers get knocked around, and the contents get jostled, and bottles can leak all over the cache. Ick. Link to comment
+ParrotRobAndCeCe Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 so why make it premium only? that doesn't seem like much of a perk to me. lol It's what you make of it. Some of us find it a lot of fun. Link to comment
uperdooper Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 so why make it premium only? that doesn't seem like much of a perk to me. lol because it's fun. on topic: nope! no liquor in caches. Link to comment
+joefrog Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 And by the way so are: condoms, knives, tobacco products, Oh now, now... if you're going to put liquor in a cache, at least put the condoms in there to go with it, and the cigarrette for after! Link to comment
+VegasCacheHounds Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 The OT section is only visible to premium members. It is about 95% spam. Spam? According to the dictionary: unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses. Nope, no spam in there. Even if you expand the definition to include unsolicited posting on a forum, there still no spam. Plenty of silly stuff, and random wierdness, no no spam (and very little angst). Anyways, back on topic, leaving perfectly good alcohol in a cache isn't just against the law and the guidelines of this site, but I'm pretty sure its also a Party Foul! Link to comment
+dkwolf Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) It is about 95% spam. And 5% llamas. You forgot the cheese. Back on topic (again). Leaving alcohol in a cache is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only might minors find it, but bears like it too (anyone remember the bear a few years back that was busting into campgrounds and drinking the beer?) I am another that did not consume any alcohol until I was 21 and legal age. Stupid law or not, it's still the law. I think speed limits are stupid, but guess what? I obey them. And I lost way too many classmates and friends in high school to alcohol related traffic accidents to think making alcohol available to teenagers is 'cool'. Personally, if I ever see someone giving a minor alcohol, if they're lucky I'll only call the cops. This is a family sport. Many people cache with their kids. Some of these might not even look at the swag, just let their kids do the trade while they sign the logbook. What's only a shot to a grown adult would be a whole heck of a lotta booze for little Suzy Second Grade or Kindergarten Kyle. Think of the stupid and immature carp people do when drunk. Makes them act like they're pre-pubescant kids, don't it? Now imagine KIDS in that state. Not cool. OP--I'm glad to see that you have had second thoughts about it, and you came to the right place to find out the answer. Go back ASAP (like, yesterday) and remove the bottle. Edited September 29, 2005 by dkwolf Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Leaving alcohol in a cache is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only might minors find it, but bears like it too (anyone remember the bear a few years back that was busting into campgrounds and drinking the beer?) What a bear would consider as "just a shot" at the end of a long day of salmon fishing would cause fatal alcohol poisoning in even the largest of hamsters. So, think of the hamsters. Your trade item can adversely affect other trade items. Link to comment
Utsman Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Which cache was the alcohol left at because I am so concerned that minors don’t get their hands on it ill re-locate it and drink it. Link to comment
+dkwolf Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Leaving alcohol in a cache is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only might minors find it, but bears like it too (anyone remember the bear a few years back that was busting into campgrounds and drinking the beer?) What a bear would consider as "just a shot" at the end of a long day of salmon fishing would cause fatal alcohol poisoning in even the largest of hamsters. So, think of the hamsters. Your trade item can adversely affect other trade items. Boy I'm glad water wipes off a computer monitor easily! Link to comment
+TeamAO Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Let's drink to reading the guidelines! Cheers. Link to comment
Mushtang Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 That or and idiot, if not a troll I love it when someone calls someone else an idiot, and in doing so shows they can't spell or use punctuation correctly. Link to comment
+dogbreathcanada Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 If she's fine with it, go for it. Photos would be cool too. Link to comment
+dogbreathcanada Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Leaving alcohol in a cache is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only might minors find it, but bears like it too. The lost Yogi episodes. And I remember '81 when Smokey was detoxing at Betty Ford. Paparazzi would not let that story go. Link to comment
+gumbyatl92 Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thanks for the feedback, especially to those that were polite and sympathetic. I am on my way to out the door to remove it. If a moderator is watching you can go ahead and kill this thread. Link to comment
+dkwolf Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 (edited) gumbyatl92: Since you are the creator of this post, you can lock it yourself. Can't remember exactly where it is, but it'll be on this page somewhere. Edited September 30, 2005 by dkwolf Link to comment
+TeamAO Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Leaving alcohol in a cache is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only might minors find it, but bears like it too. The lost Yogi episodes. And I remember '81 when Smokey was detoxing at Betty Ford. Paparazzi would not let that story go. Link to comment
+Team Neos Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Inappropriate! And by the way so are: condoms, knives, tobacco products, anything that can go boom, lighters or fuels of any sort. All this may mix with the food that is in the caches and make it taste funny. why aren't condoms appropriate? Well, for one thing, the materials in the condom will break down much more quickly when exposed to outdoor weather conditions (repeated heating and cooling)---or---they could weaken or get small rips/tears from being knocked against by pens, pencils, and other hard-edged objects in the cache. In either event, the condoms will no longer function as they should, putting a potential user at an increased risk of contracting a nasty disease or experiencing an unplanned pregnancy. Link to comment
+Quiggle Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Thanks for the feedback, especially to those that were polite and sympathetic. I am on my way to out the door to remove it. If a moderator is watching you can go ahead and kill this thread. Since the topic originator has requested the topic be closed, I'm taking care of that. In the future if you would like to close your own topic, you can do so at the bottom left of the thread you created. Link to comment
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