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I have come up with a design for my personal geocoin. The only thing stopping me (besides the cost) is the Tigger image that I use for my wife, the Tigger Lady. Here is the design.

 

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Does anybody know if it is possible for an individual to use a copyrighted image for a non-profit project (I will not sell any coins, they will be trade only)? How would I go about getting Disney's OK to use it legally? I know Disney is very protective of their copyrights, and I would hate to get a nasty letter from their legal dept.

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Disney is ruthless about defending their trademarks. I've heard of people being unable to get a printing company to do anything with any disney character on it, buttons, t-shirts, etc. I'm guessing you'd have trouble getting a coin maker to do it.

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It can't hurt to try but be sure you NEVER sell for a profit EVER... That means no eBay. You'll be toast if you do.

 

I use a copyrighted image on my personal coins that are for non-profit use. But I don't think Penn State is as ruthless as Disney might be.

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I've heard of people being unable to get a printing company to do anything with any disney character on it, buttons, t-shirts, etc. I'm guessing you'd have trouble getting a coin maker to do it.

In Florida perhaps. However anywhere else, probably not so hard to get produced. I made tshirts one year while running around seeing Dead shows many moons ago that depicted a few Disney characters. I had no touble getting them made... and those were for profit too :huh:

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There is no chance of getting their approval. Zero, not gonna happen. The spend millions protecting their work. They sue resturants that sell kids pancakes that have a larger circle and two smaller circles of batter at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock, the kind our folks made every Saturday morning. Its a cute logo for her but it's sadly not yours. The point about you not selling them has no bearing, someone who obtains it from you can very quickly ruin this idea by logging on an auction site. There are better ways of getting you name in the paper, (not in the legal notices section).

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Here is a general rule of copyrights? Not saying it is true or false. Just found on the internet.

 

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To be on the safe side, remember the old adage that if it is not yours then you have no right to it!

 

Take heed of the following:

 

If you did not create it from scratch then it probably belongs to someone else

Copying something from the internet without written permission is theft

All material published or available on the internet is Copyrighted on publication

Theft of intellectual property is called Copyright Infringement

Copyright Infringement is an offence throughout the world

Copyright offences are punishable by law

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Found at one of the law sights.

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In my experience in working on a project you can use an image so long as it's not for profit.

 

At the time I was working on a poker chip and used a famous cartoon character. They grilled me in detail on what I was doing, why I wanted the chips, how I would use them, who would take them and decided that my use was fine (signature item).

 

The final word on your tigger is going to be your coin maker. They determin what is accepable or not.

 

My last comment is that even if you can't use Tigger for your coin you can use something so close to tigger than you can't gell them apart. How do you think parody cartoons can freely exist?

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If you change the Tigger just a bit, then it will be fine. Make him still look like a Tigger, but change his features somehow. This is how stuffed animal machines and toys at the carnival look like disney, but a cheaper verison. It's because they change their features just a tad.

 

As long as you don't sell the coin you should be fine.

 

Look at Mama Mouse's coin...it's all disney and she made it. (does anyone have one of those to trade)

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I would err on the side of caution. I think if you created ONE coin for personal use then you *might* get away with it. Create 100 and you'll have a hard time explaining why it isn't commercial use.

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BA, I feel your pain. I really want to to a personal coin using Dennis the Menace. I went as far as writting a letter to Hank Ketchum Enterprises but have not received a response. Is no news good news? Are we better off asking for forgivness that to ask for permission? If only 100 coins were made what are the chances of one falling into the hands of the "wrong" person? I think this is purely an ethical situation.

 

The final word on your tigger is going to be your coin maker. They determin what is accepable or not.

 

Below is the quote from coinsandpins, concerning artwork.

 

Copyrights and customer's design rights:

It is the customer's responsibility to obtain all necessary copyright permissions from any copyrighted designs/materials. It is not the responsibility of Aaron Charles Promotions and it's subsidiaries to retrieve these rights. We are the manufacturer of your item, not the designer.

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I would absolutely love to be able to do a coin for both me and my children, but unfortunately we BOTH have name that would require copyright permissions.

 

The New York Yankees Logo and The Incredibles logo on Geo Coins would be AWESOME! but I don;t even know which hoops we would have to jump through to begin the process of permission and also wondering about the cost/added cost of obtaining these permissions versus creating an affordable (for us) Geo Coin.

 

Just my $.02

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I already emailed 2 coin companies and got two different answers. One told me the same thing as Ladycacher - change the Tigger just enough to avoid the copyright, and the other told me that it would not be a problem as long as it is not for profit. I have been considering giving a call to Disney Consumer Products. They are the ones who license Disney merchandise, but their website has a long list of criteria for licensees. Definitely not geared to small not for profit operations.

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It can't hurt to try but be sure you NEVER sell for a profit EVER... That means no eBay. You'll be toast if you do.

 

I use a copyrighted image on my personal coins that are for non-profit use. But I don't think Penn State is as ruthless as Disney might be.

That is exactly why I will not sell them to individuals or groups. I can just imagine them showing up on Ebay. I would be toast for sure.

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I already emailed 2 coin companies and got two different answers. One told me the same thing as Ladycacher - change the Tigger just enough to avoid the copyright, and the other told me that it would not be a problem as long as it is not for profit. I have been considering giving a call to Disney Consumer Products. They are the ones who license Disney merchandise, but their website has a long list of criteria for licensees. Definitely not geared to small not for profit operations.

That's why I'm so glad that my avatar is my own grandkids. Easy to get permission!!! :rolleyes:

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As a former employee, let me give you an illustration of how strict and completely backwards Disney is with copyright...

 

I worked on the Disney Wonder (ship) and was a part of the programming team (aka, kids' entertainment/childcare/whatever). I worked with 8-9 year olds. During free time, a lot of kids liked to color on coloring sheets of characters. So, I decided to enlarge our inventory of coloring sheets. Using a Disney computer on the ship and a Disney drawing program (that kids used), I printed off several characters including the Pooh and Friends characters. I was told I could no longer do that because those images hadn't been approved by the marketing department for use on the ship. So not only can non-Disney people not use Disney materials, Disney ITSELF can't always use Disney materials if you're not in the right place. Yes, completely confusing, completely insane, and completely my point.

 

However, on a side note...part of our programming included teaching animation. As part of the history, we got to trace back the changes in the characters over the years. Obviously, old versions are copyrighted as well. So, when deciding what to change on Tigger to make him 'okay', make sure you look at any possible "past versions" as well.

 

A suggestion? Think of using a different view point. It might be a lot easier to pass a back view of Tigger for example. Any old orange striped tiger from the back could be made to look like Tigger, or at least be a representation of him... That would probably mean you'd have to change your design a little to make a "scene" with him in it...maybe looking for a cache?

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As a former employee, let me give you an illustration of how strict and completely backwards Disney is with copyright...

 

I worked on the Disney Wonder (ship) and was a part of the programming team (aka, kids' entertainment/childcare/whatever). I worked with 8-9 year olds. During free time, a lot of kids liked to color on coloring sheets of characters. So, I decided to enlarge our inventory of coloring sheets. Using a Disney computer on the ship and a Disney drawing program (that kids used), I printed off several characters including the Pooh and Friends characters. I was told I could no longer do that because those images hadn't been approved by the marketing department for use on the ship. So not only can non-Disney people not use Disney materials, Disney ITSELF can't always use Disney materials if you're not in the right place. Yes, completely confusing, completely insane, and completely my point.

 

However, on a side note...part of our programming included teaching animation. As part of the history, we got to trace back the changes in the characters over the years. Obviously, old versions are copyrighted as well. So, when deciding what to change on Tigger to make him 'okay', make sure you look at any possible "past versions" as well.

 

A suggestion? Think of using a different view point. It might be a lot easier to pass a back view of Tigger for example. Any old orange striped tiger from the back could be made to look like Tigger, or at least be a representation of him... That would probably mean you'd have to change your design a little to make a "scene" with him in it...maybe looking for a cache?

That's a great story! You just got to love huge conglomerates. I used to do some work for Disney too, as a contractor. I know haw difficult the Disney Company is to work for. They have a very arrogant corporate culture, which is why I really don't want to deal with them. Your idea of a caching scene is a good one. I don't have the skills to draw something like that though. Does anybody know a good coin artist that is not too expensive?

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To be fair to Disney, there is a very good reason they are so protective of their copywrites. Copywrites are a use it or loose it thing. If they don't take steps to enforce them, they eventually loose the right to do so. Robing them of their value. Add to that the likelyhood that Disney images are the among most likely to be copied, and that they are the heart of the equity of the company, it's understandable that they would defend it so jealously.

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It can't hurt to try but be sure you NEVER sell for a profit EVER... That means no eBay. You'll be toast if you do.

 

I use a copyrighted image on my personal coins that are for non-profit use. But I don't think Penn State is as ruthless as Disney might be.

That is exactly why I will not sell them to individuals or groups. I can just imagine them showing up on Ebay. I would be toast for sure.

The restriction on sales applies to you as the maker. Not people that come later in the process. If it wasn't that way you could not sell your extra movies at Garage Sales and I could not pass on my grandmothers paintings she did while learning how to paint when she copied existing art for the learning of it.

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To be fair to Disney, there is a very good reason they are so protective of their copywrites. Copywrites are a use it or loose it thing. If they don't take steps to enforce them, they eventually loose the right to do so. Robing them of their value. Add to that the likelyhood that Disney images are the among most likely to be copied, and that they are the heart of the equity of the company, it's understandable that they would defend it so jealously.

I absolutely agree. I would never fault anybody for defending what is theirs. That is one reason I am so careful about using the Tigger image. I would be willing to pay Disney for use of the image, but the sheer hugeness (and not to mention arrogance) of the Disney Company makes it difficult, or even impossible for a small guy like me to get that approval.

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Not sure if I already said so or not, but I'd love to trade for my personal coin.

 

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Just so you know, trademark and copyright infringement has little to do with profit or selling. It's mostly about distribution (which in turn covers selling and trading). Non-profit ventures do not have distribution rights to these works without permission.

 

With that said, I would like to buy 1!

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Rusty recently told us "The Blind Avacado geocoin was one of the most fun coins he's designed"

I think it looks great.

 

Are you making a list? I would love to trade you one of ours for one of your.

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Just so you know, trademark and copyright infringement has little to do with profit or selling. It's mostly about distribution (which in turn covers selling and trading). Non-profit ventures do not have distribution rights to these works without permission.

 

With that said, I would like to buy 1!

After doing some research on copyright law and the "fair use" provision I have learned that profit and selling is the biggest factor in copyright infringement; mostly on how my producing them would affect the copyright holders’ ability to profit from future uses. Previous case law allows fair use if there is limited quantity and only distributed to a select group. Also, as a previous poster said, if used as a parody or for educational purposes. Of course I may be reading it wrong, after all I am not a lawyer; but it makes me feel better about using it! <_<

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Isn't it the Hundred Acre Woods?

 

Looks like an "s" was left off.

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Isn't it the Hundred Acre Woods?

 

Looks like an "s" was left off.

In the Winnie the Pooh stories it is always called the "100 Acre Wood".

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I did some digging on the topic a few days ago. It looks like Disney locked up the stories even though other books that the same writer did are public domain now.

 

What I wasn't able to confirm, and this is the important part is if the original art by the original artist is now essentially public domiain. The tigger that we know is Disney, but the real tiggger isn't.

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Isn't it the Hundred Acre Woods?

 

Looks like an "s" was left off.

In the Winnie the Pooh stories it is always called the "100 Acre Wood".

Guess I should pay more attention to the stories I read my daughter, eh? :D

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I would lvoe to buy one.

 

I have yet to have my coins in production (beside the one i made by hand), but I hoep too soon. it's hard ot do with a limited budget and being a full time undergrad college student.

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