Is This Considered Jeep Stealing?

[+TeamAO]

I've noticed a person who has 3 White and Yellow Jeeps in their possession. They took these Jeeps back in June, and everywhere they go they log it in, and immediately right back out.

 

What about us other cachers who want to see these fast fading Jeeps. I don't know if this is against the rules because they are moving it seems every two weeks, but they're always in the same persons hands.

 

What's the official call on this?

[+El Diablo]

In my opinion it's in bad taste.

 

El Diablo

[+Robespierre]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s. I don't think I'd use the word "stealing." I don't think it's supposed to work that way. If someone uses a personal t.b. to log their travels in the same manner, then it should be a personal t.b.

 

Now what to DO about it? I doubt if JEEP will complain...... and YOU don't have any more rights to it than they. So, do nothing. Well, you're allowed to complain a little more.

Edited September 21, 2005 by Robespierre

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s. I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

[+LaPaglia]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Statements like that so vague and snide that nothing good can come of them. IF you have someone you would like to personaly blame then write contact@ and complain but dont make statements like this you cast doubt on anyone who has had jeeps to distribute.

[+Milbank]

I don't think it's stealing.

 

If I was going to steal a jeep I sure would not have logged it.

I would just take the jeep and that would be the end of it.

 

Don't worry, I'm not that kind of geocacher...

[+Quiggle]

Moving to the Travelbug forum.

[+Colorado Cacher]

In my opinion it's in bad taste.

 

El Diablo

NO! It's actually the absolute worst stupid most disgusting from of taste a person can have.

[+Eartha]

It's often done with regular travel bugs, but Jeeps are for the contest so it is in bad taste. Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot we can do about it.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Statements like that so vague and snide that nothing good can come of them. IF you have someone you would like to personaly blame then write contact@ and complain but dont make statements like this you cast doubt on anyone who has had jeeps to distribute.

There's no WAY to call anyone out because no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them.

 

There are DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS of Jeeps that never made it into a single cache and are STILL listed as "in the hands of the owner" (Jeep 4x4).

 

I suppose it's possible that Jeep never distributed them at all, but don't you think there would be all kinds of legal issues surrounding that and they would have done everything possible to deploy them?

 

My statement does not cast doubt on every distributor. Clearly, quite a lot of them made it into circulation.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

Update -

 

A little querying around shows that 760 of the original 5000 White Jeeps have never had a SINGLE LOG AND are still in the hands of "Jeep4x4". Not even the initial drop into a cache or to a person's hands. You think Jeep is sitting on 15% of their contest pieces?

 

I'm not the type of person who would do it (I freakin' hate litigation) - but I wonder if Jeep can substantiate having "distributed" their contest pieces fairly should someone accuse them of running an unfair contest, or advertising the distribution of playing pieces that were never "distributed".

 

On a related note, 1796 of them (over a third) have moved 0 miles - so they were either placed and never retrieved again (NOT - almost all show them in someone's hands, not in a cache) - or they are / were handed off from person to person without ever seeing the inside of a cache.

[+Renegade Knight]

...There's no WAY to call anyone out because no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them.....

I was one of them. Every Jeep I got went out. At the time I logged the three I planned on putting in a cache direclty. The rest went out to other people scattered around the state. I didn't log any of those and left them as in the hand of Jeep.

 

Right now I have a yellow jeep that I was suposed to trade with a cacher an an event. That never happned. Then I decided to send it on to Russia...but they don't have much GC.com presence as a country. Thanks to your reminder I'm going to send it on to another country.

[+Eric K]

You could also try sending a 'nice' e-mail to the user saying something like "Please leave the jeeps in other caches so other players can find them and enter the contest".

[+The Leprechauns]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Statements like that so vague and snide that nothing good can come of them. IF you have someone you would like to personaly blame then write contact@ and complain but dont make statements like this you cast doubt on anyone who has had jeeps to distribute.

There's no WAY to call anyone out because no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them.

 

There are DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS of Jeeps that never made it into a single cache and are STILL listed as "in the hands of the owner" (Jeep 4x4).

 

I suppose it's possible that Jeep never distributed them at all, but don't you think there would be all kinds of legal issues surrounding that and they would have done everything possible to deploy them?

 

My statement does not cast doubt on every distributor. Clearly, quite a lot of them made it into circulation.

You've contradicted yourself. On the one hand, you pull out your broad brush and assert that Jeep distributors have stolen Jeeps. One would think that someone would not publish such an assertion in an internet forum without proof to back up their statement.

 

In your response, you state that there is no way to know who distributed the Jeeps. If that's true, then there is no way you could support the assertion that the indeterminable distributors have stolen Jeeps. So which is it?

 

By the way, the "no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them" is wrong on several levels. First, Groundspeak KNOWS the shipping addresses for the bulk shipments of Jeeps that left their office. Second, some distributors chose to grab each of their allocated Jeeps, so their name may be the first entry on 36 Jeep pages (they shipped in boxes of 36); sometimes this attracted criticism for number-boosting. Third, many Jeeps were distributed at events and that fact was well-publicized on the event cache page. The cachers in that area know who brought the Jeeps. Fourth, many distributors publicized their work through regional geocaching groups, with posts saying "I've received 36 Jeeps, so watch for them to start popping up in caches soon!" I could go on, but I hope my point's been made. Perhaps you could assemble a witch hunt list by asking people from all over to state who the distributor(s) were for their area.

 

You can begin with me. I had primary responsibility for the distribution of 180 WJTB's in Western Pennsylvania, Eastern/Central Ohio, and West Virginia. I assisted with the distribution of 1,000 other Jeeps, from Groundspeak's special promotional reserve, at two event caches. (Yes, there's a reserve.) If I allowed you to search my house, you'd discover one Jeep sitting on my daughter's desk because it was leftover from GeoWoodstock with no tag attached to it, and a Groundspeak employee told me it was OK to keep it. You'd also find one damaged Jeep.

 

I am quite sure that many of the 1180 Jeeps I touched in June and July have never moved, and show up as being "in the hands of the owner." However, I am not responsible for what happened to them once they left my hands and passed into a cache or into the hands of another geocacher at an event.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Statements like that so vague and snide that nothing good can come of them. IF you have someone you would like to personaly blame then write contact@ and complain but dont make statements like this you cast doubt on anyone who has had jeeps to distribute.

There's no WAY to call anyone out because no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them.

 

There are DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS of Jeeps that never made it into a single cache and are STILL listed as "in the hands of the owner" (Jeep 4x4).

 

I suppose it's possible that Jeep never distributed them at all, but don't you think there would be all kinds of legal issues surrounding that and they would have done everything possible to deploy them?

 

My statement does not cast doubt on every distributor. Clearly, quite a lot of them made it into circulation.

You've contradicted yourself. On the one hand, you pull out your broad brush and assert that Jeep distributors have stolen Jeeps.

So then what else would you call it when person A gives an item to person B with the understanding it is to be placed into circulation and it never makes it there?

 

  One would think that someone would not publish such an assertion in an internet forum without proof to back up their statement.

 

I will be more than happy to show you the 760 UNDEPLOYED Jeeps. Would you like me to just list them right here? It would be interesting to see if anyone actually has a list of what Jeeps were entrusted to whom.

 

In your response, you state that there is no way to know who distributed the Jeeps.  If that's true, then there is no way you could support the assertion that the indeterminable distributors have stolen Jeeps.  So which is it?

 

I'm sorry if logic escapes you. I don't need to know WHO a murderer WAS to know a murder was committed. A body and a smoking gun are plenty.

 

By the way, the "no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them" is wrong on several levels.

 

That statement was a generality. The information is NOT public knowledge. If it is, I will gladly retract that statement just as soon as you point me to the information.

 

First, Groundspeak KNOWS the shipping addresses for the bulk shipments of Jeeps that left their office.  Second, some distributors chose to grab each of their allocated Jeeps, so their name may be the first entry on 36 Jeep pages (they shipped in boxes of 36); sometimes this attracted criticism for number-boosting.  Third, many Jeeps were distributed at events and that fact was well-publicized on the event cache page.  The cachers in that area know who brought the Jeeps.  Fourth, many distributors publicized their work through regional geocaching groups, with posts saying "I've received 36 Jeeps, so watch for them to start popping up in caches soon!" I could go on, but I hope my point's been made.

 

Agreed. I believe you've successfully accounted for, oh, about 4240 Jeeps. Excellent work. Unfortunately, it's the other 760 I was talking about. Any ideas about those?

 

Perhaps you could assemble a witch hunt list by asking people from all over to state who the distributor(s) were for their area.

 

Perhaps I could, but what would that accomplish? People who would take them without ever deploying them in the first place are not only untrustworthy (and yes, thieves), but also without shame.

 

You can begin with me.  I had primary responsibility for the distribution of 180 WJTB's in Western Pennsylvania, Eastern/Central Ohio, and West Virginia.  I assisted with the distribution of 1,000 other Jeeps, from Groundspeak's special promotional reserve, at two event caches.  (Yes, there's a reserve.)  If I allowed you to search my house, you'd discover one Jeep sitting on my daughter's desk because it was leftover from GeoWoodstock with no tag attached to it, and a Groundspeak employee told me it was OK to keep it.  You'd also find one damaged Jeep.

 

I am quite sure that many of the 1180 Jeeps I touched in June and July have never moved, and show up as being "in the hands of the owner."  However, I am not responsible for what happened to them once they left my hands and passed into a cache or into the hands of another geocacher at an event.

 

So you're saying that part of the "primary" responsibility of "deploying" a Jeep did not include actually logging them into the cache (physical or event) where they were left?

[+The Leprechauns]

I and other distributors incurred quite a bit of criticism for not being fast enough in distributing those 180 Jeeps that were sent to me. Imagine if I had taken the extra time to log each of them into my possession. Well, assuming I did, I'd be criticized for pumping up my numbers because there were 180 jeeps on my stats page. I didn't want that, so I only grabbed the Jeeps which I personally placed into cache containers.

 

Groundspeak did not require me to log each Jeep into my possession prior to placing it. Their instructions were to distribute them broadly, fairly, and quickly. I did that.

 

How do you know the number of "undeployed" Jeeps that are sitting at Groundspeak as part of the promotional reserve mentioned in my prior post? Perhaps you missed that little detail.

 

So then what else would you call it when person A gives an item to person B with the understanding it is to be placed into circulation and it never makes it there?

 

I call that "Person B keeping the Jeep." Who is Person A and Person B?

[+LaPaglia]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Statements like that so vague and snide that nothing good can come of them. IF you have someone you would like to personaly blame then write contact@ and complain but dont make statements like this you cast doubt on anyone who has had jeeps to distribute.

There's no WAY to call anyone out because no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them.

 

There are DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS of Jeeps that never made it into a single cache and are STILL listed as "in the hands of the owner" (Jeep 4x4).

 

I suppose it's possible that Jeep never distributed them at all, but don't you think there would be all kinds of legal issues surrounding that and they would have done everything possible to deploy them?

 

My statement does not cast doubt on every distributor. Clearly, quite a lot of them made it into circulation.

You've contradicted yourself. On the one hand, you pull out your broad brush and assert that Jeep distributors have stolen Jeeps.

So then what else would you call it when person A gives an item to person B with the understanding it is to be placed into circulation and it never makes it there?

 

  One would think that someone would not publish such an assertion in an internet forum without proof to back up their statement.

 

I will be more than happy to show you the 760 UNDEPLOYED Jeeps. Would you like me to just list them right here? It would be interesting to see if anyone actually has a list of what Jeeps were entrusted to whom.

 

In your response, you state that there is no way to know who distributed the Jeeps.  If that's true, then there is no way you could support the assertion that the indeterminable distributors have stolen Jeeps.  So which is it?

 

I'm sorry if logic escapes you. I don't need to know WHO a murderer WAS to know a murder was committed. A body and a smoking gun are plenty.

 

By the way, the "no one KNOWS who was entrusted with them" is wrong on several levels.

 

That statement was a generality. The information is NOT public knowledge. If it is, I will gladly retract that statement just as soon as you point me to the information.

 

First, Groundspeak KNOWS the shipping addresses for the bulk shipments of Jeeps that left their office.  Second, some distributors chose to grab each of their allocated Jeeps, so their name may be the first entry on 36 Jeep pages (they shipped in boxes of 36); sometimes this attracted criticism for number-boosting.  Third, many Jeeps were distributed at events and that fact was well-publicized on the event cache page.  The cachers in that area know who brought the Jeeps.  Fourth, many distributors publicized their work through regional geocaching groups, with posts saying "I've received 36 Jeeps, so watch for them to start popping up in caches soon!" I could go on, but I hope my point's been made.

 

Agreed. I believe you've successfully accounted for, oh, about 4240 Jeeps. Excellent work. Unfortunately, it's the other 760 I was talking about. Any ideas about those?

 

Perhaps you could assemble a witch hunt list by asking people from all over to state who the distributor(s) were for their area.

 

Perhaps I could, but what would that accomplish? People who would take them without ever deploying them in the first place are not only untrustworthy (and yes, thieves), but also without shame.

 

You can begin with me.  I had primary responsibility for the distribution of 180 WJTB's in Western Pennsylvania, Eastern/Central Ohio, and West Virginia.  I assisted with the distribution of 1,000 other Jeeps, from Groundspeak's special promotional reserve, at two event caches.  (Yes, there's a reserve.)  If I allowed you to search my house, you'd discover one Jeep sitting on my daughter's desk because it was leftover from GeoWoodstock with no tag attached to it, and a Groundspeak employee told me it was OK to keep it.  You'd also find one damaged Jeep.

 

I am quite sure that many of the 1180 Jeeps I touched in June and July have never moved, and show up as being "in the hands of the owner."  However, I am not responsible for what happened to them once they left my hands and passed into a cache or into the hands of another geocacher at an event.

 

So you're saying that part of the "primary" responsibility of "deploying" a Jeep did not include actually logging them into the cache (physical or event) where they were left?

Thats right, I had 108 jeeps to distribute. Some I mailed out. Some I distributed at events. None were logged in prior to releasing them. Some were even dropped into caches as a suprise without being logged in. There were no requirements to log them. I chose to keep them all virgin. All mine made it out. I dont even have one for me.

[+Eartha]

ParrotRob, how do you feel about cachers who let their dogs chew on other people's travel bugs?

 

Sometimes it's best to just leave your keyboard and go caching. All of the people who were put in charge of distributing the Jeeps gave of their own time, gas money, and efforts. In a lot of cases they did not log them, they handed them out. Logging a couple hundred jeeps takes a long time. The cachers who grabbed them were responsible for logging them. Frankly I'm a little tired of this Jeep contest and all the whining and angst that comes from it. I don't understand the infatuation with a die cast toy you can get for $1.99 at Walmart. I'll bet half the people who pick them up have no idea there is a contest going on. You've logged your Jeep, be happy.

[+BlueDeuce]

I dont even have one for me.

I can get you one, hasn't even been retrieved from Jeep yet.

[+LaPaglia]

I don't even have one for me.

I can get you one, hasn't even been retrieved from Jeep yet.

Thanks, but no. I decided I couldn't get it to a cache in a timely manner so I didn't keep one for myself. I don't get out as much as I used to and didn't want to delay a jeep that someone else could be using.

 

Thanks Again

Michael

Edited September 22, 2005 by LaPaglia

[+mcl143]

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

ParrotRob, how do you feel about cachers who let their dogs chew on other people's travel bugs?

The beagle is lying next to the bug. The Pom is sniffing the bug. Nice try, though. I'm sure if you snoop around more, though, you'll find the bug that I imprisoned for about a month while I was in hospital.

 

Sometimes it's best to just leave your keyboard and go caching.  All of the people who were put in charge of distributing the Jeeps gave of their own time, gas money, and efforts.  In a lot of cases they did not log them, they handed them out.  Logging a couple hundred jeeps takes a long time.  The cachers who grabbed them were responsible for logging them.  Frankly I'm a little tired of this Jeep contest and all the whining and angst that comes from it.  I don't understand the infatuation with a die cast toy you can get for $1.99 at Walmart.

 

Neither do I. That's why I can't understand people that hold them forever, and I especially can't understand those that hoarde, like, say, 9 of them.

 

I don't have a problem with people keeping a $1.99 toy either. What I *do* have a problem with is people denying OTHER PEOPLE a chance to enter the contest. You're right, I have logged one. And no, I have no intention whatsoever of entering the contest. I don't WANT a Jeep. I don't NEED a Jeep. But that doesn't make it right for you, me or anyone else to hang on to them any more than it does to capture a non-Jeep travel bug.

 

I'll bet half the people who pick them up have no idea there is a contest going on.  You've logged your Jeep, be happy.

 

Yeah, but I'll bet people that cache enough to hoarde a half dozen or more of them are QUITE familiar with what they are. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.

 

I'm sorry you think that hoarding someone else's property and denying others the ability to have a fair chance is acceptable behavior.

[+LaPaglia]

ParrotRob, how do you feel about cachers who let their dogs chew on other people's travel bugs?

The beagle is lying next to the bug. The Pom is sniffing the bug. Nice try, though. I'm sure if you snoop around more, though, you'll find the bug that I imprisoned for about a month while I was in hospital.

 

Sometimes it's best to just leave your keyboard and go caching.  All of the people who were put in charge of distributing the Jeeps gave of their own time, gas money, and efforts.  In a lot of cases they did not log them, they handed them out.  Logging a couple hundred jeeps takes a long time.  The cachers who grabbed them were responsible for logging them.  Frankly I'm a little tired of this Jeep contest and all the whining and angst that comes from it.  I don't understand the infatuation with a die cast toy you can get for $1.99 at Walmart.

 

Neither do I. That's why I can't understand people that hold them forever, and I especially can't understand those that hoarde, like, say, 9 of them.

 

I don't have a problem with people keeping a $1.99 toy either. What I *do* have a problem with is people denying OTHER PEOPLE a chance to enter the contest. You're right, I have logged one. And no, I have no intention whatsoever of entering the contest. I don't WANT a Jeep. I don't NEED a Jeep. But that doesn't make it right for you, me or anyone else to hang on to them any more than it does to capture a non-Jeep travel bug.

 

I'll bet half the people who pick them up have no idea there is a contest going on.  You've logged your Jeep, be happy.

 

Yeah, but I'll bet people that cache enough to hoarde a half dozen or more of them are QUITE familiar with what they are. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.

 

I'm sorry you think that hoarding someone else's property and denying others the ability to have a fair chance is acceptable behavior.

I think you should make it your personal mission to correct all the cachers who are not playing the game the way you want it played. Email all of them, Post their names in the forums. Call the police and report them. They must be evil since they don't play the game the way you have decided it should be played. Its nice at least to see you back off from claiming that those the distributed them were keeping them. But you keep looking, the hoarders are out there and you NEED to find them and save US from them. Tell me Sen. McCarthy how is that list coming?

[+Eartha]

NO one is denied a chance to enter the contest. You do not need to have a Jeep TB in your possession to enter. Please read the rules.

[+LaPaglia]

Suddenly the REAL reason he is upset comes out. the one he wants to covet isn't in circulation

[+The Leprechauns]

Gosh Michael. Too bad you don't know anybody who could change the name of a Jeep Travel Bug in the system.

[+LaPaglia]

Well what can I say.

[+carleenp]

Angst would be a good jeep name.

[+cache_test_dummies]

Angst would be a good jeep name.

[+The Leprechauns]

Angst would be a good jeep name.

I think I already handled that one at the Midwest GeoBash.

 

I could be mistaken, though.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

I think you should make it your personal mission to correct all the cachers who are not playing the game the way you want it played. Email all of them, Post their names in the forums. Call the police and report them. They must be evil since they don't play the game the way you have decided it should be played.

Uh, the last time I checked, *I* wasn't the one that decided how travel bugs work. *I* wasn't the one that decided the idea of a travel bug was NOT to KEEP it, but for it to... amazingly enough... TRAVEL.

 

Reasonable people see this and understand this. Reasonable people understand that there is a difference between, say, logging caches incorrectly and, well, stealing.

 

What would YOU say if I went around finding caches and taking the entire cache with me? How would you respond when I said that was just the way *I* wanted to play the game? Would that make it OK?

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

Suddenly the REAL reason he is upset comes out. the one he wants to locate, along with at least a thousand more, aren't in circulation

There, I fixed it for you.

[+LaPaglia]

Suddenly the REAL reason he is upset comes out. the one he wants to covet isn't in circulation

There, I fixed it for you.

Well Joe, it seems to bother you a lot more than it bothers a lot of other people. I wasn't accusing people that distributed them of keeping them. You were. So I figure, Joe, that you feel it is your sacred duty to free the jeeps from the Evil menace of people that are destroying your attempt to find one jeep with your name on it. Wouldn't it be easier, Joe, if you just played the game and didn't worry how others played it. Groundspeak didn't ask you to be the Saviour of all the trapped Jeeps. I'm not sure if they are worried about it or not. But I do know that they thanked all the people that distributed them and indicated that these same people did a good job. too bad you think you have to make accusations against these fine people. the least you could do Mr. Senator, is apologize for your false accusations.

 

You cast dispersions on many good people and need to atone for that

Edited September 23, 2005 by LaPaglia

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

They're only aspersions if you take them that way. Got a guilty conscience, there, Pags?

[+LaPaglia]

It was not the intention of JEEP, the owners of the t.b.s.  I don't think I'd use the word "stealing."

That's ok, Robe, you don't have to - I will. AFAIC, it's stealing, plain and simple.

 

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen. Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place.

Thats pretty straight forward Joe.

It's sad that so many Jeeps have ended up stolen.  Some of them by the very people entrusted to place them into circulation in the first place

 

 

I think without an apology to the people that distributed them you are looking pretty bad, Joe.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

Let's see, how much simpler can I make this?

 

Some people who were supposed to distribute jeeps did not.

 

Plain and simple.

 

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

 

And if that offends you, well, that's just too bad, you're not getting an apology and neither is anyone else. If you weren't one of the guilty ones, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

 

On the other hand, the facts seem to bother you a great deal. Wonder why that is?

[+LaPaglia]

Let's see, how much simpler can I make this?

 

Some people who were supposed to distribute jeeps did not.

 

Plain and simple.

 

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

 

And if that offends you, well, that's just too bad, you're not getting an apology and neither is anyone else. If you weren't one of the guilty ones, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

 

On the other hand, the facts seem to bother you a great deal. Wonder why that is?

Because you have no proof. since most of us didn't log them in before we distributed them neither you nor anyone else would have any idea what happened to them. Just because you cant find the one with your name on it doesnt mean that who ever was responsible to distribute it failed. They could have place it at an event or in a cache and it got picked up and not logged. the whole point is you don't know what happened to it. No one knows. So you cant accuse some of the people who distributed them of not doing their job.

 

Get over it, Get over yourself, you are not the almighty TB court with the ability to judge people with out any evidence.

 

You are behaving very much like your namesake. He was wrong too.

 

Get over it.

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

Let's see, how much simpler can I make this?

 

Some people who were supposed to distribute jeeps did not.

 

Plain and simple.

 

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

 

And if that offends you, well, that's just too bad, you're not getting an apology and neither is anyone else.  If you weren't one of the guilty ones, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

 

On the other hand, the facts seem to bother you a great deal.  Wonder why that is?

Because you have no proof. since most of us didn't log them in before we distributed them neither you nor anyone else would have any idea what happened to them.

In other words, those that chose to steal them or hand them directly to their friends were just careful not to leave a trail indicating so. Is that about right?

[+TeamAO]

This thread has quickly turned from a meaningless ethics question, to a two or three person boxing match where no one will ever win.

 

I would like to see more honest people, let's call them idiots, who would rather keep a $2 die-cast Jeep, and spoil fun, then just go out and buy one on their own.

 

Everyone has good points. Let's just leave it at that.

[+Ambrosia]

Why does it really matter? Why don't you save all your energy for the real travesties in life?

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

This thread has quickly turned from a meaningless ethics question, to a two or three person boxing match where no one will ever win.

 

I would like to see more honest people

You and me, both. Amen to that.

[+LaPaglia]

Let's see, how much simpler can I make this?

 

Some people who were supposed to distribute jeeps did not.

 

Plain and simple.

 

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

 

And if that offends you, well, that's just too bad, you're not getting an apology and neither is anyone else.  If you weren't one of the guilty ones, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

 

On the other hand, the facts seem to bother you a great deal.  Wonder why that is?

Because you have no proof. since most of us didn't log them in before we distributed them neither you nor anyone else would have any idea what happened to them.

In other words, those that chose to steal them or hand them directly to their friends were just careful not to leave a trail indicating so. Is that about right?

Since you are unable to understand the basic concept of making an accusation without proof I will leave you with these words to ponder. They are from the Groundspeak Terms of Use.

 

You and not Groundspeak, are entirely responsible for all content that you upload, post or otherwise transmit via the Site. You agree not to:

 

(a) Upload, post or otherwise transmit any content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, slanderous, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, embarrassing, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable to any other person or entity.

[+LaPaglia]

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Edited September 23, 2005 by LaPaglia

[+Eartha]

Let's see, how much simpler can I make this?

 

Some people who were supposed to distribute jeeps did not.

 

Plain and simple.

 

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

 

And if that offends you, well, that's just too bad, you're not getting an apology and neither is anyone else. If you weren't one of the guilty ones, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

 

On the other hand, the facts seem to bother you a great deal. Wonder why that is?

Ah, but they did distribute them. The fact they the ones who got them didn't log them doesn't mean the distributors stole them. You did call them thieves, and that does deserve an apology. How about we just drop this right now, it's not going anywhere.

 

Can you say troll bait?

[+TeamAO]

I can't exactly explain the obcession with stealing these Jeeps.

 

I think it's similar the the adminstering of drugs, it gives the body a high.

 

For these TB stealing losers, I think you really take the fun out of an amazingly awesome game.

 

Shame on you.

 

Nuff said.

[+coon&bebe]

I'm new to the game and don't want to ruffel any feathers, but get a grip. Parrot I dont expect you to say sorry just rack it up as a lost cause. I do see your point, missing jeeps in the hands of owners, one has to assume thats where they are. Lep and others don't get so uptight he didn't say you were responsible for the missing jeeps. He stated that it was SAD that some were stolen, I for one agree. It is sad when someone takes a game and ruins/cheats/tampers with it, intentionally or not. It most likley was not any one of the individuals entrusted with the jeeps but, my point and I guess his, we do not know and the last time they were seen alive was with the owners. Parrot, it is out of your, or my control and for that matter anyone who has posted here. Some people may not care but I bet all of the posters here probably care enough about the game not to taint it. Best to sum it up as a loss to the game and leave it at that. Mod-- I haven't seen the pic you are refering to about the chewing on bugs and dont care too but it is in poor tast to open up with something like that to get the guy to shut up. I would rather see the topic closed than for the Mod to make a quick stab at the character of a poster, true or not.

 

It is a loss to the game.

[+suz55tbird]

Ah, but they did distribute them.

Sorry, but, no, they didn't all distribute them. Check Agent 7719 in New Mexico...he got some to distribute in June, and "placed" them into a disabled cache, not actually (i.e., VIRTUALLY) releasing them, with the help of "Albuquerque Bill" until SEPTEMBER 3!!! IMHO, that is outrageous, and not in the keeping of the spirit of the contest . It seems as tho' the same has happened elsewhere...

[+ParrotRobAndCeCe]

Ah, but they did distribute them.

Sorry, but, no, they didn't all distribute them. Check Agent 7719 in New Mexico...he got some to distribute in June, and "placed" them into a disabled cache, not actually (i.e., VIRTUALLY) releasing them, with the help of "Albuquerque Bill" until SEPTEMBER 3!!! IMHO, that is outrageous, and not in the keeping of the spirit of the contest . It seems as tho' the same has happened elsewhere...

Watch it, Suz. WJTB distributors are volunteers, and are therefore beyond reproach.

[+Colorado Cacher]

I've noticed a person who has 3 White and Yellow Jeeps in their possession. They took these Jeeps back in June, and everywhere they go they log it in, and immediately right back out.

 

What about us other cachers who want to see these fast fading Jeeps. I don't know if this is against the rules because they are moving it seems every two weeks, but they're always in the same persons hands.

 

What's the official call on this?

Obviously doesnt know how to play fair n share. Bully!