+brodiebunch Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 We were driving through Yellowstone Park on 09/08 and stopped at a scenic viewpoint of a waterfall. Right next to the observation deck was a Benchmark. We wrote down the number in the center circle and the number outside that circle. Unfortunately we didnt take a GPS reading of the location. Now we are home and trying to log our find but are unable to locate this Benchmark. Is there a way to find this other than searching for a cache in the area then searching for a nearby Benchmark from there? Are all Benchmarks listing here? How do you find a PID #? Are we just out of luck? We weren't searching for anything other Bears (and didnt see any) through the park and just came across this. Thanks Link to comment
Z15 Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) Not all are hear. Many by the US Geological Survey (USGS) don't appear in the NGS database (only source of geocaaching data) because they were never submitted by USGS. Also many other federal agencies as well as state and private companies have marks out there and not here. Also the Geocaching data is date from around 2001 and has not been updated with current NGS data. NGS used to published the data annual on CD ROM but discontinued that and now you must download from thier site. Just too much work to update geocaching. Without the position its hard to tell what you have. Do you have a photo, or what was cast into the disk as well as whats stamped on it? Most of us can tell a lot about the mark by what that info is. Edited September 10, 2005 by Z15 Link to comment
evenfall Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Just too much work to update geocaching. Heck, It might be too much work to pin a thread at the top of this forum directing an answer to why things are not in the database, and a link to the FAQ. Instead, we answer this question 3 times a week on average. Sure would be nice though. Rob Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 brodiebunch - As Z15 says, many benchmark disks are not included in the database we use. I wanted to make sure you know, however, that there are other search modes for benchmarks other than clicking on "Nearest Benchmarks" for geocaches. Use the benchmark hunting FAQ and search page. In that page, you can either put in a local zip code in the box called "By Postal Code", or click on "Other search options" and enter what you found written on the disk in the box called "By designation" (and be sure to click its associated radio button!!). If you're interested in finding more benchmarks, you may wish to read the whole benchmark FAQ page. Link to comment
ArtMan Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Another approach would be to look at a topo map (e.g. from Maptech.com, USAPhotoMaps, or Terraserver) or use Google Maps or Google Earth to get approximate latitude and longitude, then plug those numbers into the Geocaching advanced benchmark search page. But as others have noted and is prominently noted on the main benchmark page, many if not most survey disks are not included in the database we use here. -ArtMan- Link to comment
+brodiebunch Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Thanks for the input, we appreciate it! Yes, we have a picture but I am not sure how to upload one to this forum. Also I did do a search of the area at the Benchmark FAQ page, I entered in the designation (F10 or F-10) and nothing came up. I did enter the parks zip code but that didnt help. This Benchmark sits upon a concrete cone and the scenic viewpoint appeared to be heavily visited (its on the east entrance road) so I am surprised other Benchmarkers or geocachers havent tried to log this as a find. This would be our first Benchmark and we weren't looking for it either. Thanks again Link to comment
+PFF Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Could this have been the disk you found? National Geodetic Survey, Retrieval Date = SEPTEMBER 11, 2005 PY0048 *********************************************************************** PY0048 DESIGNATION - F 10 PY0048 PID - PY0048 PY0048 STATE/COUNTY- WY/TETON PY0048 USGS QUAD - OLD FAITHFUL (1986) PY0048 PY0048 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL PY0048 ___________________________________________________________________ PY0048* NAD 83(1986)- 44 26 47. (N) 110 48 20. (W) SCALED PY0048* NAVD 88 - 2313.358 (meters) 7589.74 (feet) ADJUSTED PY0048 ___________________________________________________________________ PY0048_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 12TWQ154214(NAD 83) PY0048_MARKER: DB = BENCH MARK DISK PY0048_SETTING: 7 = SET IN TOP OF CONCRETE MONUMENT PY0048_SP_SET: CONCRETE POST PY0048_STAMPING: F 10 1923 7583.275 PY0048_MARK LOGO: CGS PY0048_PROJECTION: PROJECTING 50 CENTIMETERS PY0048_STABILITY: C = MAY HOLD, BUT OF TYPE COMMONLY SUBJECT TO PY0048+STABILITY: SURFACE MOTION PY0048 PY0048 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By PY0048 HISTORY - 1923 MONUMENTED CGS PY0048 HISTORY - 1934 GOOD NGS PY0048 HISTORY - 1987 GOOD NGS PY0048 PY0048 STATION DESCRIPTION PY0048 PY0048'DESCRIBED BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1934 PY0048'1.9 MI SE FROM OLD FAITHFUL. PY0048'1.9 MILES SOUTHEAST ALONG THE OLD FAITHFUL-THUMB RANGER STATION ROAD PY0048'FROM OLD FAITHFUL, YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, OPPOSITE KEPLER CASCADE, PY0048'WEST OF THE ROAD, AND 2 FEET INSIDE THE RAILING. A STANDARD DISK, PY0048'STAMPED 7583.275 F 10 1923 AND SET IN THE TOP OF A CONCRETE POST PY0048'PROJECTING 11 INCHES ABOVE GROUND. PY0048 PY0048 STATION RECOVERY (1987) PY0048 PY0048'RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL GEODETIC SURVEY 1987 PY0048'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION. A NEW DESCRIPTION FOLLOWS. 24.1 KM PY0048'(15.00 MI) WESTERLY ALONG THE MADISON JUNCTION-WEST THUMB HIGHWAY PY0048'FROM THE SOUTH JUNCTION OF WEST THUMB-LAKE JUNCTION HIGHWAY IN WEST PY0048'THUMB, 22.6 M (74.1 FT) SOUTHWEST OF THE CENTERLINE OF THE HIGHWAY, PY0048'6.0 M (19.7 FT) SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF A WOODEN WALKWAY LEADING PY0048'TO KEPLER CASCADES OVERLOOK, 2.9 M (9.5 FT) NORTHWEST OF A TRASH CAN PY0048'PLATFORM, AND 1.7 M (5.6 FT) SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHWEST EDGE OF A PY0048'PAVED WALKWAY. PY0048'THE MARK IS 0.5 M BELOW THE PAVED WALKWAY. Edited September 11, 2005 by PFF Link to comment
Difficult Run Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Paul, You amaze me at times. BTW, looking at PY0783/F367, it appears all the logs actually are PY0048/F10, which is 52.2 feet away from one another. - Mitch - [Edited to add additional comment] Edited September 11, 2005 by Difficult Run Link to comment
+brodiebunch Posted September 11, 2005 Author Share Posted September 11, 2005 Thanks Paul, that is the one we found! Thanks for the email too. Thanks for all the others input on this, it really helped. Link to comment
Max Cacher Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Just too much work to update geocaching. Heck, It might be too much work to pin a thread at the top of this forum directing an answer to why things are not in the database, and a link to the FAQ. Instead, we answer this question 3 times a week on average. Sure would be nice though. Rob Its already in the pinned topic at the top of these forums, and you wrote it. Max Cacher Geocaching.com Volunteer Cache Reviewer // Moderator Link to comment
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