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Originally posted by Babes

in short this is just like treasure hunting game but instead of finding a treasure you find the travel bugs and a cache are like hints on how to find the exact location of your target.

 

Travel bugs or Treasure can be items or informations towards your interest or something that you're looking for.

 

Jim i have a question since Duncan wanted to find some people listed on above post ... could it be that someone played with him outside the geocashing domain in exchange to travel bugs that he needed?

 

After 5 pages of what could be described as almost crystal clear descriptions of geocaching, and links to faq's here in this forum, this is what these people have come up with as a definition.

 

At first I thought they were just stupid, but now I see I was overestimating. This "Babes" characrter seems to be their ringleader. It's like a bunch of stupid pigs who run back into their burning barn because it's dark outside and they just want to go home. Hey, wasn't "Babes" a pig?

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Ok. I admit it. There is a conspiracy around Travel Bugs. But to set the record straight, this is the real story.

 

I devised a creative promotion called the Jeep Travel Bug. In each bug beneath the metal compartment is an e-meter with a transmitter. When a person grabs the bug it begins to read and transmit your mind energies to experts around the world.

I heard the density of the pigment in the yellow paint was actually causing transmitting issues problems with the 2004 jeep TB's. Is this why the 2005's are white?

 

(We'd hate to have a jeep with a transmission problem, wouldn't we?!)

 

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It's not just these courttv folks who have mentioned this. Our local news (which is all over every single detail of the story since we're right by Couer d'Alene) just had a blurb talking about how Duncan was also involved in "a high-tech game of hide-and-seek" using satellites.

 

Judging from his profile, this guy was barely even involved in geocaching. He only had ten finds in two years. I'd say that he's not a geocacher, just a guy who sometimes finds geocaches, just like a person who plays sports only five times a year isn't really called an athlete. So it's ridiculous for someone to refer to geocaching when describing the major parts of his life, or to think he's in any way representative of or connected to the rest of the people involved in this game.

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anyone who managed to slog thru that thread has my admiration (my brain started to scream for help from reading the inane answers) It seem that the gist of it is that geocaching is something that THEY wouldn't do so anyone who would MUST be a weird physco head case. The fact that this guy Duncan had a connection proves it (in their minds); it doesn't matter that it is a minor connection, they are looking for a conspirasy(sic) and believe they have found one; it doesn't seem to me that they are ones to let the facts get in the way of what they believe to be true, if the facts don't agree with their opinions, they'll just ignore them.

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yes... they need the beanies. they are trying to connect the guy to geocaching because it's a "family activity" and kids cache. funny, i've found almost 300 caches and have only run into cachers on the trail once. it's a family activity because you do it with your family...

what, they think kids are running around alone in the woods with gps units finding tupperware? and driving around the 5000 jeeps that have been hidden somewhere? ;) btw, CTV people, the jeep TBs are WRANGLERS, not grand cherokees.

 

some of the people over there seem reasonable, it's just a few idiots. *cough*babes*cough*

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I received the following e-mail last night. I am posting it here with the writers permission. It is posted almost in its entirety. I eliminated the last sentence and the signature to protect the writers identity.

 

This e-mail made all my frustration worthwhile.

 

I just registered with geocaching.com today as a result of the courttv.com debacle.  I'm sorry the geocaching site got pulled into this, but I'm glad I found ya all because of it.

 

I wanted to say, it was a brave and really nice thing you did going to the CTV site to try to explain geocaching, but as a long time lurker and occasional poster there I gotta tell ya....you just as well beat your head against a tree.  It would be just as productive and much less painful.  Those people will grab onto anything and just run with it then post stuff like "Gee, I hope law enforcement checked into that" as if they have some inside knowledge that LE might have missed.  There ain't no eye roll big enough to tell you how I feel LOL

 

Anyway, I'm so excited about geocaching.  I actually went out and bought a GPS today and even went on my first geocaching excursion, although when I got there I wasn't dressed right and didn't feel like wading into armpit high weeds with shorts on LOL  Live and learn. 

 

I think this has so much potential to get my daughter and myself away from the computer and out into nature and really have fun!  We are planning a little trip next weekend...now it will definitely include geocaching!

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I received the following e-mail last night. I am posting it here with the writers permission. It is posted almost in its entirety. I eliminated the last sentence and the signature to protect the writers identity.

 

This e-mail made all my frustration worthwhile.

 

I just registered with geocaching.com today as a result of the courttv.com debacle.  I'm sorry the geocaching site got pulled into this, but I'm glad I found ya all because of it.

 

I wanted to say, it was a brave and really nice thing you did going to the CTV site to try to explain geocaching, but as a long time lurker and occasional poster there I gotta tell ya....you just as well beat your head against a tree.  It would be just as productive and much less painful.  Those people will grab onto anything and just run with it then post stuff like "Gee, I hope law enforcement checked into that" as if they have some inside knowledge that LE might have missed.  There ain't no eye roll big enough to tell you how I feel LOL

 

Anyway, I'm so excited about geocaching.  I actually went out and bought a GPS today and even went on my first geocaching excursion, although when I got there I wasn't dressed right and didn't feel like wading into armpit high weeds with shorts on LOL  Live and learn. 

 

I think this has so much potential to get my daughter and myself away from the computer and out into nature and really have fun!  We are planning a little trip next weekend...now it will definitely include geocaching!

;) Nice work Webscouter

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I received the following e-mail last night. I am posting it here with the writers permission. It is posted almost in its entirety. I eliminated the last sentence and the signature to protect the writers identity.

 

This e-mail made all my frustration worthwhile.

 

I just registered with geocaching.com today as a result of the courttv.com debacle.  I'm sorry the geocaching site got pulled into this, but I'm glad I found ya all because of it.

 

I wanted to say, it was a brave and really nice thing you did going to the CTV site to try to explain geocaching, but as a long time lurker and occasional poster there I gotta tell ya....you just as well beat your head against a tree.  It would be just as productive and much less painful.  Those people will grab onto anything and just run with it then post stuff like "Gee, I hope law enforcement checked into that" as if they have some inside knowledge that LE might have missed.  There ain't no eye roll big enough to tell you how I feel LOL

 

Anyway, I'm so excited about geocaching.  I actually went out and bought a GPS today and even went on my first geocaching excursion, although when I got there I wasn't dressed right and didn't feel like wading into armpit high weeds with shorts on LOL  Live and learn. 

 

I think this has so much potential to get my daughter and myself away from the computer and out into nature and really have fun!  We are planning a little trip next weekend...now it will definitely include geocaching!

Aw Webscouter that is wonderful!!!

 

People in here thing we spend too much time on the computer, but at least we get out to cache!!!

 

Over there (Ctv) they DO spend too much time on the computer speculating things that are just plain wrong, or trying to bend the things they *uncover* into a convenient mold for their thinking.

 

It will play itself out, and hopefully with what you have done over there to explain will bring a few new cachers online.... ;)

 

lulu

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Waaaaaaaaait, a minute, just *what* is a "webscouter.", anyways???

 

I think CTVers are just trying to infiltrate our child porn networks for their own usage!

 

Because you know that there are those scout leaders who molested those children, and if you anagram Jim Shilt, you get "Jilts Him" which is a reference to how he was jilted by his lover so now he scouts the web. I hope someone's told LE about this!! ;)

 

You see where I'm going with this???

 

 

Congrats, webscouter, on introducing someone enthusiastic to our hobby!

 

(no, see, you didn't see where I was going with it... ;) )

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Wow. That thread on CTV and this thread were like QVC - I don't *want* to watch it... but I *have* to for some reason ;)

 

Well... that was fun ;) I'm off to continue our nefarious business. TTYL! ;)

 

BTW webscouter - ditto on the kudos above. Much respect. I wouldn't have the patience either. Heeey... what if this guy is actually ON CTV's boards posting about Geocaching to get LE off their scent. I sure hope LE looks into that.

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WOW! I decide to get out and cache over the weekend and not look at my home computer and I missed this whole thread. Way to go Webscouter. The thought of reading all the CTV posts just boggles my mind (or maybe it was Jeremy's electronic TB devices).

I know this has been brought up before and I'm probably just beating a dead horse, but... My family belongs to another very large organization that has nothing to do with geocaching and last year one of the members who was in a position to mentor children was convicted of being a pedophile. It doesn't mean everyone is a predator. My boys are boy scouts and occasionally an adult involved with the scouts is a predator, there was a high school teacher in a neighboring high school who was arrested at the end of this past school year for having teen porn on his home computer. His house burned down and the firemen found suspicious things in the house and then police investigated. If it hadn't been for the fire the guy would still be a teacher! So no matter what you do the sickos are there, even in Wal-Mart!

On the upside, I spent Saturday out with my family and found 2 virtuals at the national zoo and cathedral, and on Monday I logged a DNF in the woods while my husband and boys were fishing and we found another virtual in Baltimore while waiting for the fireworks to begin.

Now, I'm pretty sure my employer would appreciate it if I got back to work!

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there was a high school teacher in a neighboring high school who was arrested at the end of this past school year for having teen porn on his home computer. His house burned down and the firemen found suspicious things in the house and then police investigated. If it hadn't been for the fire the guy would still be a teacher!

Ha! You're in Anne Arundel County, aren't you!

 

That guy was my chemistry teacher in 1992! He had all the girls sit in the front rows and chatted with them all class. The grading scheme he used was an every other seat method ("you get an A, you get a B, you get an A..."). ;)

 

I hear he had boxes of the stuff (which is what tipped off the firemen as they were putting out the fire) and even tried to deny it was his (he lived there alone...in a purchased home...)! ;)

 

Oh no! He was my chemistry teacher and now I'm a geocacher! The CTVers might be on to something!!! ;)

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Originally posted by Babes

in short this is just like treasure hunting game but instead of finding a treasure you find the travel bugs and a cache are like hints on how to find the exact location of your target.

 

Travel bugs or Treasure can be items or informations towards your interest or something that you're looking for.

 

Hmm, new multi going up in the area? ;)

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When I got my first modem and dialled into my first local BBS, I was so excited by the technology I emailed the guy who ran the board to thank him for it and offer to help if he needed it (scrounging equipment or paying for phone lines or whatever). Never heard back, which struck me as strange -- the local geekhood was a small and chummy lot in those days. Years later, he was popped for pedophilia. He used the board as a lure for teenage boys. Me, I was just using up space!

 

Edit to explain what my darn point was: computers! It's all about the perverted sex!

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When I got my first modem and dialled into my first local BBS, I was so excited by the technology I emailed the guy who ran the board to thank him for it and offer to help if he needed it (scrounging equipment or paying for phone lines or whatever). Never heard back, which struck me as strange -- the local geekhood was a small and chummy lot in those days. Years later, he was popped for pedophilia. He used the board as a lure for teenage boys. Me, I was just using up space!

 

Edit to explain what my darn point was: computers! It's all about the perverted sex!

i think we should tell LE about this. ;)

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I just registered with geocaching.com today as a result of the courttv.com debacle. I'm sorry the geocaching site got pulled into this, but I'm glad I found ya all because of it.

 

I wanted to say, it was a brave and really nice thing you did going to the CTV site to try to explain geocaching, but as a long time lurker and occasional poster there I gotta tell ya....you just as well beat your head against a tree. It would be just as productive and much less painful. Those people will grab onto anything and just run with it then post stuff like "Gee, I hope law enforcement checked into that" as if they have some inside knowledge that LE might have missed. There ain't no eye roll big enough to tell you how I feel LOL

 

Anyway, I'm so excited about geocaching. I actually went out and bought a GPS today and even went on my first geocaching excursion, although when I got there I wasn't dressed right and didn't feel like wading into armpit high weeds with shorts on LOL Live and learn.

 

I think this has so much potential to get my daughter and myself away from the computer and out into nature and really have fun! We are planning a little trip next weekend...now it will definitely include geocaching!

That's great!

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this is not some secret society playing an evil and nefarious game though.

but...but... it's not?!? And here I was, planning on becoming the Supreme Overlord (lady?) of the Evil and Nefarious Puzzle Cache (synapses melted, anxiety induced, no charge).

 

Great... now I'll have to go back to being a nice, normal married mother of three. I never get to be the Supreme Overlord of anything! *sulk* ;)

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this is not some secret society playing an evil and nefarious game though.

but...but... it's not?!? And here I was, planning on becoming the Supreme Overlord (lady?) of the Evil and Nefarious Puzzle Cache (synapses melted, anxiety induced, no charge).

 

Great... now I'll have to go back to being a nice, normal married mother of three. I never get to be the Supreme Overlord of anything! *sulk* ;)

shhhh! i was trying to throw them off the trail. you can still be the supreme overlord. ;)

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this is not some secret society playing an evil and nefarious game though.

but...but... it's not?!? And here I was, planning on becoming the Supreme Overlord (lady?) of the Evil and Nefarious Puzzle Cache (synapses melted, anxiety induced, no charge).

 

Great... now I'll have to go back to being a nice, normal married mother of three. I never get to be the Supreme Overlord of anything! *sulk* ;)

shhhh! i was trying to throw them off the trail. you can still be the supreme overlord. ;)

Oh good. I've got a truly E&N one almost ready to go, just as soon as I find a good spot for the tupperware.

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Geez, Webscouter...I just read the thread you started over there. I can't believe what you were willing to put up with on the CTV board! Your patience is amazing. Don't suppose you have plans this Christmas? We could really use someone with those kind of skills around here when all the in-laws start showing up... ;)

 

LOL @ EleriandBlade & uperdooper

 

You guys rock! ;)

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I wanted to say, it was a brave and really nice thing you did going to the CTV site to try to explain geocaching, but as a long time lurker and occasional poster there I gotta tell ya....you just as well beat your head against a tree. It would be just as productive and much less painful.

I think we can dispense with the "Floriduh" jokes. We have a new candidate.

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Heh! If I were to join this discussion, the FIRST thing I'd do is go join that board and start connecting Geocaching with an overall conspiracy that links it with everything from kidnappings to UFOs to the Illuminati to Nostradamus.

 

In other words, make a kind of "my tinfoil hat is bigger than yours!" sub-thread, without really saying it.

 

And if any of the regulars start telling me I am full of it, I can accuse them of obvously being part of the overall conspiracy, trying to silence me, and to proclaim "The truth is out there!".

Then watch the fireworks. ;)

 

Unfortunately, since I posted this here post, it reveals my evil plan up front, and thus it is foiled (pun?) in advance. So much for that idea. ;)

Ah well... coulda, woulda, shoulda... fun to think about at least. ;)

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Seriously though...

 

What with geocachers ocassionally finding all kinds of hidden crime things in the woods from bodies to illegal plants AND instantly reporting them to law enforcement, it would be pretty stupid for an evil pedo type to use caching to do anything to a kid.

Too much chance another cacher will come along, see evidence, and it's "that's all folks!" to the evildoer.

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the sad thing is, crime, stealing caches, and things like this will happen in a sport like this, where an unguarded "treasure chest" sits in the woods. and with coordinates children can get to them, and if they're by themselves risks occur. this is a great sport, and most cachers are honest people that want some adventure, it's a shame things like this have to happen.

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the sad thing is, crime, stealing caches, and things like this will happen in a sport like this, where an unguarded "treasure chest" sits in the woods. and with coordinates children can get to them, and if they're by themselves risks occur.

I wonder how many children are actually allowed to go out with the >$100 GPSr on their own in the woods, though. The only caching kids I know of are ones who go with their parents. I've seen teenagers wandering by themselves with beer cans and dirty magazines, but GPSrs?

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the sad thing is, crime, stealing caches, and things like this will happen in a sport like this, where an unguarded "treasure chest" sits in the woods.  and with coordinates children can get to them, and if they're by themselves risks occur.

I wonder how many children are actually allowed to go out with the >$100 GPSr on their own in the woods, though. The only caching kids I know of are ones who go with their parents. I've seen teenagers wandering by themselves with beer cans and dirty magazines, but GPSrs?

yep! it ain't gonna happen. most adults with a gps won't even let their spouse use or carry it. kids won't have a chance.

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the sad thing is, crime, stealing caches, and things like this will happen in a sport like this, where an unguarded "treasure chest" sits in the woods.  and with coordinates children can get to them, and if they're by themselves risks occur.

I wonder how many children are actually allowed to go out with the >$100 GPSr on their own in the woods, though. The only caching kids I know of are ones who go with their parents. I've seen teenagers wandering by themselves with beer cans and dirty magazines, but GPSrs?

yep! it ain't gonna happen. most adults with a gps won't even let their spouse use or carry it. kids won't have a chance.

;)

 

Too true, Too true!

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what about Mark McKenzie ... does he play geocache? do they have a 4x4 vehicle?

 

Well, I don't know about Mark... but I play geocache! Aaaaand, MY vehicle has 4 wheel drive.

 

Scary stuff. But who really knows?

 

shrug.gif

 

I see the Geochachers are still laughing at us.

 

No no no. We're laughing ABOUT you.

 

No wait. I'm laughing at you.

 

I wish they would register and post. I want to know their thoughts on Duncan having two geochache nics.

 

What?!? Duncan has a sockpuppet? That does it. How many times do I have to tell you kids?

 

I'm going downstairs right now and shut off geocaching. Get back inside.

Oh no!!! I'm really in trouble

;);):D

1) I Geocache

2) My vehicle is a 4x4

It gets worse

3) It's a JEEP!!!

 

(My only saving grace is that it's green not white.)

 

4) I just picked up a White Jeep TB

 

I guess I need to go to my local law enforcment agency and turn myself in

:D;);)

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...

Generally speaking, nefarious criminal activities don't have corporate sponsors.

Oooh, Auntie...that's priceless! ;)

 

The number of major accounting scandals in recent years is scandalous. The little ones hardly even get reported any more. Ever hear of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act?

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Oh no!!!  I'm really in trouble

;)  ;)  :D

1)  I Geocache

2)  My vehicle is a 4x4

It gets worse

3)  It's a JEEP!!!

 

(My only saving grace is that it's green not white.)

 

4)  I just picked up a White Jeep TB

 

I guess I need to go to my local law enforcment agency and turn myself in

:D  ;)  ;)

OMG I do all those things AND my jeep is WHITE. *sob* I've only just begun and I have to go to jail already? This is worse than playing monopoly.

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forensic evidence, tips and what they’ve been told by Shasta leads them to believe Duncan had been in the area for up to several weeks, probably “camping”

 

Has anyone checked out these campers. Campers sound like a they are strange bunch, as a whole. Going out in to the woods in groups and doing strange thing with "tents". I read on their website that these tents are like houses that move around. Can someone veryify that? How do you put a whole house in the woods? Their website say it is a family friendly activity. I don't see how taking kids in to the woods can be a family activity. It doesn't sound very safe either. Maybe we can invite a camper to our message boards so they can explain this camping thing to us.

 

All joking aside, do they castrate pedophiles in Montana? If they don't they should.

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forensic evidence, tips and what they’ve been told by Shasta leads them to believe Duncan had been in the area for up to several weeks, probably “camping”

 

Has anyone checked out these campers. Campers sound like a they are strange bunch, as a whole. Going out in to the woods in groups and doing strange thing with "tents". I read on their website that these tents are like houses that move around. Can someone veryify that? How do you put a whole house in the woods? Their website say it is a family friendly activity. I don't see how taking kids in to the woods can be a family activity. It doesn't sound very safe either. Maybe we can invite a camper to our message boards so they can explain this camping thing to us.

 

All joking aside, do they castrate pedophiles in Montana? If they don't they should.

i think we should inform LE about this.

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forensic evidence, tips and what they’ve been told by Shasta leads them to believe Duncan had been in the area for up to several weeks, probably “camping”

 

Has anyone checked out these campers. Campers sound like a they are strange bunch, as a whole. Going out in to the woods in groups and doing strange thing with "tents". I read on their website that these tents are like houses that move around. Can someone veryify that? How do you put a whole house in the woods? Their website say it is a family friendly activity. I don't see how taking kids in to the woods can be a family activity. It doesn't sound very safe either. Maybe we can invite a camper to our message boards so they can explain this camping thing to us.

 

All joking aside, do they castrate pedophiles in Montana? If they don't they should.

Link please!! Is this a fact or merely conjecture on your part??? I notice you did not add MOO.

 

B)

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A very sad case but having followed this thread with some degree of amusement I felt I just had to add a trans-Atlantic note. When there is a major paedophile (correct spelling, honest guv - we have vowels to spare over here!) scare across here, mob mentality takes over the less well educated which in the recent past has resulted in mistaken attacks on paediatricians (ditto) and even podiatrists. Thank god they've not discovered CTV (the mob, not learned medical persons) - well meaning though the CTV lot seem to be.

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A very sad case but having followed this thread with some degree of amusement I felt I just had to add a trans-Atlantic note. When there is a major paedophile (correct spelling, honest guv - we have vowels to spare over here!) scare across here, mob mentality takes over the less well educated which in the recent past has resulted in mistaken attacks on paediatricians (ditto) and even podiatrists. Thank god they've not discovered CTV (the mob, not learned medical persons) - well meaning though the CTV lot seem to be.

Have they been burning encyclopaedias as well?

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