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In Moderator voice (I both contribute to this group and I -usually lightly- moderate it.) This site's owners have never wanted this resource to be used as the tech support forums (or anything else) of other vendors. This isn't new and it's just straight up business. They pay the bills. Clearly, this group has always been a bit inherently fuzzy. It's not like half our traffic hasn't always been Garmin tech support. This is why I'm nudging and not swinging a moderator hammer. When the conversation was (also OT here) yet another "how do I download too many PQs" question, it was below my threshold of shunting to the "how do I use pocket queries" group. When it became minutiae of the macros of a specific program, it seemed worth a reminder to not continue further in that direction. The highest concentration of gsak expert volunteers remains their own forum. It's nothing unique to GSAK and I'm plenty aware of the GSAK situation and their history - I helped make it so, after all. If the app discussed were Delorme or ExpertGPS or iPAQ Sync or even GPSBabel and went from answering "can you recommend a program to do it?" to lengthy details of "how", there would be the same nudge. There are steps beyond nudging, but I'd rather be the Good Cop than the Bad Cop - that's no fun for anyone. So, please just help redirect support traffic to vendor forums. You've been here a long time and have been a long time positive influence. Nobody here is deserving the wet rubber hose and I don't want to sound like a crazy parent threatening to turn the bus around. It's not a huge deal. I'm just asking everyone's help to steer extended discussion of advanced features of apps toward the more appropriate resources of those vendors. I also fully recognize that "vendor" sounds like the wrong term in GSAK's case, but the team that's keeping that bus driving 88 has years of experience with it and has done a cracker job of supporting it before and after the apps essential freeze. I'm trying to say the rules here is the same for Fizzymagics calculator as they are for Streets and Trips.
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I disagree. The "S" is only used on the GPSMAP 60 line and its successors. Other lines do not use te "S" to indicate the presence of a compass and altimeter: Astro, Colorado, Dakota, eTrex, fenix, Foretrex, Geko, Montana, Monterra, Oregon. Even the GPSMAP 276Cx has a compass and altimeter, but no "S". The very first Garmin with an altimeter and electronic compass was the eTrex Summit (2000), the GPSMAP 60CS was introduced three years later.
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That is not necessarily true... The Garmin GPS III+ and GPS V are mapping devices (and the GPS 12 MAP, although it has 'map' in the name).
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Garmin 'GPS xx' are not mapping devices while 'GPSMap xx' or 'GPSMAP xx' devices are. The closest thing to the GPS 73 with mapping capability would be the GPSMAP 78.
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Hi, Cachly can export Caches as Garmin POI. That seems to be the easiest way for me. Z.
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GPSBabel works on MacOS, will read gpx, and will write Garmin POI.
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Simply displaying the GPX points on the map would be perfectly adequate. I only want to drive on a certain route and have it displayed when I pass a geocache. A Garmin 66s or a smartphone is always used for the last few meters. POI files really seem to be more suitable than data from a GPX file. I'll have to see how I can create POI files on the MAC.
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This will never happen, as Atlas Cached seems to be a convinced Garmin ambassador.
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According to the 73 manual, yes it does.... https://www8.garmin.com/manuals-apac/webhelp/gps73/EN-SG/GUID-7C07FFD7-2BCD-4DF6-8E3D-2DC170A9B347-2404.html?local=true&nav=toc_pane And the 73 complete manual which also mentions geocaches https://static.garmin.com/pumac/gps73_OM_EN-PH.pdf I suspect the same way other Garmin units do, download the gpx files to the x:\Garmin\gpx folder x being whatever your computer recognizes the drive letter.
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Hello, does anyone here use a Garmin Zumo XT on their motorcycle and can tell me if I can transfer and display gpx files with caches on the device? Z.
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Is the Garmin GPS 73 geocaching friendly.....it does not seem to be. Can you load caches to it at all ? It seems they have put the 73 in a ( Great ) 78 case and put the 79 in the 62 type case that tends to fall apart.
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iPad Pro (USB-C) to Garmin 450t (mini USB)
Viajero Perdido replied to kurchian's topic in GPS technology and devices
If you have an iPad, maybe you have an iPhone? Load Cachly (geocaching app of choice in that ecosystem), park the Garmin, and don't look back! -
iPad Pro (USB-C) to Garmin 450t (mini USB)
kunarion replied to kurchian's topic in GPS technology and devices
Not directly. And Pocket Queries would first need to be unzipped. There are threads around here that describe a way to do what you're asking, but the hardware, Apps, and the process have changed so much, you can't follow the old steps. It basically involved finding an App that can unzip files and can connect to a wireless router, using a portable wifi router with a USB interface, then sending the GPX files to the USB drive and then to the Garmin. The router needs to be the kind that connects by wifi both to the Internet and to the phone simultaneously. I never got it fully working from my iPad. I had some success using an Android phone. I also had a kind of OTG setup on the Android, but it never worked... the file manager App didn't see the proper drive folders. And iThings are especially restrictive about moving files around. I've decided that if I wanted to send GPX files on-the-fly like that, I'd buy a pocket sized Windows PC, and eliminate a lot of extra steps. There are relatively cheap PCs that may work. Plus they could run GSAK and other useful software. But I don't do that. I load Lists and PQs in advance, covering my intended trip. If it's in fact a spontaneous cache hunt beyond my loaded PQs, I may resort to loading new data onto my phone App only. Maybe typing a few cache coordinates into the Garmin if necessary. Good luck! -
Is it possible to send Lists and PQs that I have on my iPad Pro to my older Garmin (mini-USB)?
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I'm with you on that, GrateBear. I think it was during the original 60C era when I realized I could buy a Nuvi with LMT (lifetime maps and traffic) for $89, or I could buy each year's map update for the 60x (which was a terrible driving GPS) for $89.99 for every GPS in my flock. So the car GPS stayed in the car, and the belt GPS stayed on my belt. It was a little frustrating that I couldn't mark caches as found on the car GPS, so during the walk back to the car, I'd pick which one was my next target and just pick "go" in the car, with zero attempt to keep the found/dnf list on the "big screen." But for a while, I'd keep the driving maps up to date every few years because the hiking GPS for the kind of hiking I usually did while geocaching didn't matter THAT much if they were up to date. I just needed to be on the right side of creeks and rivers, and sometimes it would be helpful to know if I saw a clearing if I was going to pop out of the woods onto a country road or into someone's backyard. Before Nuvi, I actually ran a StreetPilot 2610 and, later, a 2710 in the car. It was huge, a couple of pounds, and literally the size of a paver brick. It took forever to boot, so I kept a battery-powered air compressor charging while I drove, but the StreetPilot was plugged into it like a UPS so it would stay on while I hunted. I've had over a hundred GPSes for a while, so having two GPSes dedicated to geocaching was hardly crazy. These days, even in the US, OpenStreetMap is viable to route on, and I'm happy to throw them some of that money instead. That was definitely not the case in those early days. Of course, when the carload of people is trying to decide where to eat or where to sleep, some subset of us are using our phones because even the $90 maps don't reflect last week's changes in hours or a road's temporary closure or all those other high-resolution details that we've all become so reliant upon while navigating these days. Back to your original question, it's the 2025 version of "What Garmin should I buy?" Let's go shopping! We slice the offerings into input: touch, dpad, or click-stick. (We raise an eyebrow that most of the 66 family is discontinued and the 65 brothers are pretty old in the lineup and a 67 without Inreach doesn't make any sense.) We want magnetic compasses because we're geocachers. Most of us don't' care about inreach, so cross those off. Montana is just huge and expensive (see the other thread in the group right now.) As a sidebar, the 22x for $200 sounds like a WAY better entry-level device than we had when you started the game (and way, way better than when I started a few years before you). Historically, the "S" has meant "Sensors" (as a practical matter, altimeter and compass and $50) Looking at that table, the only difference in the 22x and the 32x that I see is the compass. Some PM didn't get the memo of how Garmin has worked for the last 20 years because it looks to me like those should be the 22 and the 22S, and they should be $199 and $249. But they didn't ask me. If you can get along with that little click stick, $299 isn't terrible. When I was power-caching, I found them physically painful to use for a day and really hard to use with gloves. That leads the 65S (2020-09), 66SR (2018-09), and 67 (2023-03). Must be that same PM because the 67 has the sensor kit. Why is it not the 67S? The 67 is the same price as the 66SR and is better in the very few places they're different. Given Garmin's attention span, I wouldn't expect a lot of updates from a 2018 model, but since they've been selling almost this same GPS since the 62 back in 2010 (sigh), maybe take comfort in stability (ha!) and not coasting. Personally, as a tech guy, I'd cross off 66. That leaves 32x@299, 65s@399, and 67@499. I won't go down the list model by model and feature by feature, but with the list culled, we have units that are $100 apart with feature sets that are about $100 apart (in Garmin dollars...not actual cost) in features. By chance, they happen to be broken into those three product categories that was the axis we defined in our first move: click-stick, dpad, and touch. I don't know if this ball is still in play, but in the 200x era, Garmin would show some new geocaching-adjacent products in January at CES and some in February at some kind of an outdoor marketing convention. I don't know if they have anything up their sleeve for that aging 65 with Mini-USB (even older than Micro-USB, as Micro-B came around in 2007) and a screen that's even worse than the $199 model. So from my coarse view (a technology guy that used to be a power-cacher and not a backpacker), the WiFi features and touch screen would probably push me personally to a 67. I just can't do click sticks, and the 65S just has enough of a musty smell about it that if I found a bargain on one, I might partake—the feature set is about on par with my O 600 that launched when the second Nexus 7 launched in mid 2013—but it's not like being UNable to update over WiFi would break me. The $299 and $399 models look like really solid units. The comparison table with all the empty entries for the 32x is designed to look scary, but even in my power-caching peak, there's nothing missing on the 32x that I'd pine over. (Be honest: with more than 2000 points on a map, it becomes a blur; searching and sorting is a nightmare, etc.) Especially since everything has removable SD cards now (hooray!) even if they had no management at all on the devices, I could take the SD card and, with a $10 adapter to my phone, launch a file browser and swap in the next leg of a trip even without a laptop. The other two have completely valid points based on their collected experience, too. A used Oregon 6x0 or 7x0 would be feature-wise on par with that 65 or 66 or so (5K active waypoints, no WiFi), and they have an awesome capacitive touch screen that gives a nice experience to swipe, pinch zoom, touch type, etc. that your 400 or 450 would never do. Then again, touch screens are more prone to breakage, and they don't work worth a darn with gloves that aren't' made for them. Unlike when you started, and a Vista had nothing in common with a V which was totally alien to users of a Venture, I'm pretty sure that most of the core code is shared between all of these things these days. It's not like the routing engine in one is going to be radically different than the other. They may be tuned differently (if hardware platform A has more memory and CPU chops to tear through more data, I might choose different limits or try more things than a more limited platform), and there's clearly a platform module that handles charging, screen layout, and interaction and input, but I'd bet there's some code DNA in these that goes back to Nuvi 350 or Colorado 400, their first model to read GPX files and really try to implement a geocaching model, so they've had some time to get the core straight. Sure, looking through Atlas Cache's FAQs and lists of bugs is probably worthwhile, but I doubt any of these are going to have deal-breaking terrible traits. So that might sound anticlimactic, but that's how I'd break down the choices of today. I hate to do the Consumer Reports "you'll be happy with any of..." thing, but these things are so darned close to each other that your "best" choice comes down to a personal choice of budget and preference on ergonomics. Typing a log with a clickstick is about as painful as using a TV remote and just isn't very much fun for me. Maybe you don't care, as that's just not something you do, and that's OK. I'll probably recycle some form of this rambling into a new version of the "What should I buy?" post at the top of this group. Thread in a bit of stuff about new phone apps and the realities that we no longer live in a Moto Droid/iPhone 3 world, and we can probably reduce the three threads a month we get in the group these days. :-) Let us know what you eventually get and if you're happy with it. If you think I'm wrong about any of the above, feel free to educate me. I'm no longer immersed in this nearly as deeply as I was 20+ years ago.
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Montana 700 experience and review
robertlipe replied to DragonsWest's topic in GPS technology and devices
Possibly saving you a click: > suggested retail prices ranging from $649.99 to $899.99 Holy moly! Then, I got nerdy and found the old page where they're trying to hide so that, after a bit of browser voodoo, I could compare them side by side. TL;DR: They dropped AA support, improved battery runtime, doubled the memory, moved the USB connector forward to 2014's contemporary. That's pretty much it. I hate Micro B pretty intensely, but not $900 or even $650 worth of intensely. General 710 adds 3g. It no longer takes AA's. Battery life much enhanced. GPS Mode: 18h->24. Expedition: 330h->440. Memory: 16GB->32 Interface Micro USB -> USB-C Maps & Memory Added "Automatic routing (turn-by-turn routing on roads) for motorized vehicles." Dropped "Number of Courses no longer listed." Sensors GLONASS no longer listed. Smart Features added "compatible with the Garmin messenger app" Tactical Added Ballistics Outdoor Rec Dropped Inreach remote widget Inreach, Outdoor, Connections n/c In the Box, Maps n/c I stacked the 700 on the left and the 710 on the right. I tried to keep them even, but without heroic efforts like editing CSS to hide columns that were deleted, as the whole POINT is to show changes. -
I'm with you, Mineral2. The 600 was very much a "fixed" 450 to me. It was familiar, yet going back to the sluggish, resistive touch, limited UI model just felt like going back to CompuServ once you've seen the web. (OK, maybe not that much of a generation gap...) By the time Oregon 7x0 hit, my time and physical ability to geocache were dwindling, so I got one to know it. Even my circle of local power-caching friends were happy enough with phones and the remaining signs of life in the 6 [2456] models, which I didn't care much for. In fact, I bought my 600 (650?) more to implement GGZ support in GPSBabel than to use it myself. I actually implemented it and ran into a really hard fundamental problem involving counting byte counts for indexes. My tools (normally very helpfully) knew that "ā" is one character but didn't provide a way to get to the actual offset of anything in BYTES, which is what we needed. I checked the code in, made a release or two, nobody even noticed it was there, let alone how broken it was, and I've since removed it from the source tree completely. Quit a contrast to the days of the 60C and especially two years later of the 60Cx, when probably ten people a day were asking/demanding for it. By even then, the world was moving to phones. In the absence of competition and the high volume that geocachers used to have, we can expect Garmin's geocaching models to keep artificially high prices and limited choices. As chips and other components they've used get deprecated, the choices will shrink, leading to the problem highlighted by this post. This situation will likely only worsen. :-(
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It's frustrating that Garmin has effectively killed their touch screen models. I certainly understand why you wouldn't want to carry a Montana around - those are big and bulky. and the latest iteration (700 series) is the largest it's ever been. I like the design and was really hoping for a redesigned Oregon to go with it, but.... nada. It seems that Garmin is focusing on its inReach devices and leaving us outdoor users to only the button interface or our cell phones. Anyway... Instead of looking for a used Oregon 450, I would maybe give the 600 a try. Or the 700, though the interface change might be a bit fiddly. But when I upgraded to the 600, I had a hard time going back to my 450 which mostly sits in a drawer. The 600 is superior in almost every way: screen is better and more readable, the second customizable button makes getting to commonly used tasks a breeze, unlimited geocaches, the ability to pause your tracking instead of accumulating birds nests....
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Witam jak sprawdzić czy mam w okolicy skrzynki typu geobeacon lub chirp na ant+? Bo posiadam chyba garmin etrex touch 35 i zastanawiam się czy da się go wykorzystać do szukanie tego typu skrzynek
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Duly noted that I'm not answering your actual question, but since this group is so quiet, I just thought I'd fill the empty space with something that _might_ be useful. Years ago, Garmin offered a device trade-in program for units that were outside the repairability window, as the 450's surely are by now. They basically just offered a discount on a similar model or had some kind of flat repair price, which was essentially buying a refurbished unit... This program used to be easy to find and now isn't, so maybe it no longer exists, but I'd at least _try_ throwing myself upon the mercy of Garmin Support and seeing if there's any repair/upgrade option for you. ...particularly since it's probable that your electronics are all fine and the failure is either a bent piece of metal that's smaller than a can's pull tab or the piece of plastic that it mates to. Back when Garmin had viable competition in the outdoor space and these things were simply easier to repair, these options were easy to find. The fact that they aren't makes me suspect that I may be remembering things from many years ago that no longer exist. Barring that, check in with local geocaching clubs and see if anyone has orphaned an older model like this, either by upgrading or by reducing their involvement in the game that they would part with. My own Oregon 450 is on 'permanent loan' for exactly those reasons, and I've given homes to much older models that became part of the GPSBabel test lab. In fact, the eTrex yellow I used for development has an unusably broken screen from being subjected to sudden deceleration into an oak tree upon a DNF. I just memorized the factory reset and proved I could send waypoints, routes, and tracks (maybe?) and could get them back. I didn't need a screen, and I didn't even need it to get a fix. I was just testing the ability to send and receive over the wire.
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Garmin GPSmap 62s Screen Fades, standard reset not working
JaVaWa replied to MaSL's topic in GPS technology and devices
Finder will not show the trash folder for a certain device, when you click on the trash icon in your dock you will see the trashed items on all disks/devices. It is a better idea to put your maps on an SD card, especially when the map isn’t made by Garmin (maps made with open source software are more prone for causing problems than official Garmin maps). A factory reset does not erase all files, it also doesn’t revert the firmware to the original version. What is does is setting all options to the factory default en erasing waypoints, routes and tracks. I stopped updating my offline tools eight years ago due to medical reasons, newer MacOS versions won’t run them anymore. -
Garmin GPSmap 62s Screen Fades, standard reset not working
MaSL replied to MaSL's topic in GPS technology and devices
Many, many thanks, this solved the problem! The Garmin GPSmap 62 does not have a SD card, so I indeed loaded the map directly on the gps. I do not see a trash folder in the file structure, but I removed the map and the pocket query I had loaded last and the device restarted okay. Next I ran the disk utility function on my Mac and it did not show errors. Unfortunately your 'JaVaWa Device Manager.app' does not run on my MacOS version. Next I loaded another map and the device boots well with this map. Not sure how to keep the file structure intact, tempted to do this factory settings reset, but not sure all the original files are still on the device.... Thanks, MaSL -
For those who use this product, how do you like it? How is the City Navigator map function? My Oregon 450 is failing (the clip that holds the City Navigator no longer locks in place so no map shows) and I have no interest in paying $600 for a Montana unit. I’ve thought about buying a used 450, but am not really comfortable doing that. Thanks.
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We picked up a discarded Garmin display on wheels - it is heavier than particleboard but not solid wood. The back is locked with a key we don’t have. It would make an interesting base/case for an indoor cache, for instance. We’re in New England - if interested (and you’re also in New England), let us know where you are located and we’ll see if meeting would be possible.
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Garmin GPSmap 62s Screen Fades, standard reset not working
Timpat replied to MaSL's topic in GPS technology and devices
It's been awhile since I used my 62S having moved on to the 64S and now the 66i. But I saved my notes on how to try clearing issues. Garmin 62s Reset steps Press Enter + Page + Power together, then when the Garmin logo appears, release the Power button but continue holding the Enter + Page buttons until the ‘user data deletion’ warning appears. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have the GPSMAP 62 (not sure if this works on 78) turned off. Press and hold both the "Quit", "Out" and the "Menu" buttons Press and release the power button Release "Quit", "Out" and "Menu" buttons after about 5 seconds