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Groundspeaks lays down some event time rules...
cezanne replied to ArtieD's topic in General geocaching topics
I have already mentioned that we used to have events that were not bound to fixed coordinates for many years and people could find them and could use their GPS-receivers to do so. All went well and everyone who attended was happy. I have not been at an event where someone was chained to a chair either. I have attended however quite a number of events where moving around to get to talk to someone whom I wanted to talk to was almost impossible due to the crowdedness at typical indoor events in restaurants. I almost stopped to attend indoor events. I'm fully aware of the fact that there are typically more types of outdoor events in North America than in my area due to the infrastructure and the legal situation. In the very early years private gardens could be used, but these have become much too small for the exponential growth of geocaching. Hiking events have been a chance to offer an option targeted towards a particular audience for which the workaround approaches are rather ridiculous. -
Groundspeaks lays down some event time rules...
cezanne replied to ArtieD's topic in General geocaching topics
You talk about events and I talk about event caches. It hardly makes sense. Of course Groundspeak cannot hinder cachers who visit an event cache to do something else outside of the event cache. I have the issue with how Groundspeak defines event cache and argues with socialization. All what it boils down is that Groundspeak makes it impossible to come up with great event caches which are long enough to provide ample of opportunity for socializing but are not sedentary. The fact that you go for a walk after the end of your Pi event cache, does not change the effect that your event cache is a boring 30 minutes period spent at a bakery which is of the minimum required length to make it publishable. In my opinion it is a shame that you have to write up your event cache like this. Of course it makes no sense to first sit 4 hours at the bakery and do away with the other activity as it completely changes the experience to be expected. While some write geocaching events should be about geocaching, I rather say that the guidelines seem to suggest that events are about logging attended logs. -
Padding word count for statistical challenges.
funkymunkyzone replied to medoug's topic in General geocaching topics
While I hope that my logs are interesting to a cache owner, barring the times when I just can't think of much to say about a particular cache, I tend to look at my logs as my record of my caching and are ultimately for me. As such I will often talk about a lot more than just the cache itself and the search thereof. If particularly memorable then it might be the whole adventure that took me to that cache - some good examples here and there. I've had a few that have gone past the length of 1 log and I had to write a note to include the rest of the story. Never to pad the log for any stats though. -
Excessive owner maintenence logs!
dprovan replied to learn2mine's topic in General geocaching topics
As I said, either confusion or to be funny. Not sure what you mean by "high maintenance". It doesn't make much difference to me. I'm imagining it's such a simple hide that I won't need other logs. Anyway, we still all agree that he shouldn't do it. That's why I mentioned I'd talk to him about it. -
I think it goes to the overall requirement that an earthcache be unique. "This is granite, let's talk about granite" is not unique. "This is granite, check out the inclusion at these coordinates and let's discuss it" is unique.
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Groundspeaks lays down some event time rules...
cezanne replied to ArtieD's topic in General geocaching topics
No, I'm not argue for the sake of arguing here. I understood that your list was not exhaustive. I just tried to convey my point that while for me nothing what you listed is essential for an event that I do enjoy, some of the aspects that I enjoy are somehow banned from what is regarded as actual event by Groundspeak and I'm sad about that. Somehow I start to wonder whether socializing means something different in North America than what it means to me. Of course, socializing is the key aspect of any normal event (for CITOS something else is added). I never questioned this aspect of events. I just wonder why it is socializing to talk with others cachers about geocaching while eating pizza and drinking beer while it is not socializing to talk with other cachers while walking along a forest trail (just two arbitrary examples). I simply do not get it. In my opinion, an event along the lines of Neversummer's orginal proposal (without the addition that the event owner waits for the attendants at one fixed location for at least 30 contiguous minutes) fulfills the requirement of lasting at least 30 minutes and involve plenty of socializing. Still such an event is not publishable which of course we all have to accept. I will never understand however what makes such events less well suited for socializing than much shorter static events. As I said many times before, I have never thought of flash mobs as real events. Any attempt to think of the bigger picture would require me to understand why events where there is not someone waiting for 30 minutes for normal events and an hour for CITOS at a fixed location are not regarded as events regardless of what takes place and for how long. For CITOs the new rule seems even more absurd to me - not the fact that CITO should last for at least an hour, but that someone should be present at the header coordinates of the CITO. CITOs are for picking up trash and similar activities which are dynamic by definition. -
Padding word count for statistical challenges.
nericksx replied to medoug's topic in General geocaching topics
Yeah, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to imply that one should talk about the cache specifically ("well, it was green, made out of metal, kinda rusted..." LOL ?) I meant people weren't keeping their log entries to talking about the experience of that cache. The day or the weather, or getting to GZ or what have you. I agree that a bit of detail about what brought you out that day, what you found interesting about the area, experiences you had getting there - totally relevant. It was the folks going on about their vacation - not even the caching part of the vacation - that made me -
I'm talking about events like these: - An event on a highway while having some rest and a lunch with companions. - An event in a local village near a big river in taiga during a 2-hour stop of a cruise ship. - An event in a remote monastery deeply in woods/bogs. - An event at a gas station right after the hosts crossed the border and entered the country. - An event in a hotel lobby at 6am "because we're going to leave early". Events are supposed to be a social side of the game. Geocachers meet, talk, exchange trackables, walk, spend time in a pub, whatever. It's usually quite clear if an event is published just for a souvenir in someone's profile. Formally, nothing is wrong with such "lunch events" in most cases but - in my opinion - this practice undermines the very idea of geocaching events.
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Everyone DOES have their own way of choosing caches, just like everyone has their own methods when it comes to caching. Let me rephrase my question to you then. How do YOUR ethical values, when it comes to finding and logging a cache, have ANY impact on how Lone.R or anyone else caches? Is there ANYTHING you do when you cache, using your ethical model, that will affect the behavior of any other cacher? Do someone else's ethical standards change the way you cache? My guess is that their behavior has no effect on the way in which you cache. You choose to cache the way you do because it's all about you, not about them. As it pertains to hiding, you've already stated that you're less likely to put more effort into complex hides and you might even "give up" because of the way in which some people choose to cache. Stating it bluntly, that's a you problem, not a them problem. You're letting THEIR actions dictate YOUR actions when it comes to placing a new cache. That means they've won. You have given up (or considered giving up) because you feel it's just not worth it anymore because of something someone else did or does. I'm still fighting. I'm not going to let those actions I find questionable or unethical change either the way I cache or the way I hide. I'm confident in my choices and beliefs and I'm not going to let someone else dictate how much I enjoy this activity. I'm going to talk to newer cachers and let them know that this is the way I choose to cache, this is what I find OK, and this is what I don't find OK. I'm going to tell them to talk to other cachers to see how they cache so they get a different perspective. Then I'm going to tell them that they determine how they're going to cache and that my way isn't the right way, it's just one of many ways. Finally, I'm going to tell them that geocaching is what THEY make of it. THEY get to determine what geocaching means to them. At the end of the day, all of this means nothing really. We're not curing cancer, fighting a life or death battle, struggling to make ends meet, or any other life altering event. We're looking for a way to enjoy life and we've chosen to geocache as one aspect of that. All I know is, life is too short to worry about what others are doing when it's my enjoyment of life that's at stake.
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Not a problem at all. Everyone her speaks the English language and would be happy to talk with you. Just give it a try. Best greetings, MB
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After finding one in my sons hair, and one on my arm, I started using my OFF spray. Previous tick threads. ticks, getting them off you tick-talk tick-talk tick-talk Tick Talk Ticks Oh Man, They are REAL, ticks that is.... Proper Tick Removal - Its that season again
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Padding word count for statistical challenges.
nericksx replied to medoug's topic in General geocaching topics
That explains a lot. I've jumped back into catching after not being as active for a couple of years, and newly noticed these huge logs that don't really talk about the cache itself at all. I didn't realize there are log length challenges. There are challenges for every hecking thing now. ? -
Geocaching by proxy legit?
TeamPennyFinder replied to TeamPennyFinder's topic in General geocaching topics
Thank You Buka2. I got it and have replied. I found out that they use Straight Talk for the phone. So they have unlimited Talk, Text, and Data. So, the only road block is them being able to afford the phone that can geocache. Currently Straight Talk has two android phones that are GPS enabled. One is $149.99 and the other is $179.99. I think that would allow for paperless caching. In their current situation that may as well be a couple million. LOL! But, it is good knowing that the capability of the plan is there, they just need to save for the phone. -
I just went to test my theory that that version 315 was stripping a space in the action names. I renamed my action "Talk to" on the first character to "Talk". I just went to play it and i still get "Talk nothing Available". So there is a more fundamental issue. I am not using proximity. I was in the middle of a large zone. My iphone was very stable. Not sure what the issue is but it really needs to be fixed. I also just received an answer from Groundspeak saying that they are working on the issue: Hello Arnaud, The developer of the app has been notified of this issue and is working on a fix. Please let us know if the problem is not resolved in a timely manner. Best Regards, Jon ("Moun10Bike") Community Relations Liaison to Engineering Groundspeak - The Language of Location Hopefully there will be a fix soon.
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Incentives for cache owners?
thebruce0 replied to Barnyard Dawg's topic in General geocaching topics
Talk about going off the rails. No one's advocating legislating morality. I know you're already off the rails by your own admission, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, whatsoever, which is examining the feasibility of whatever incentives could be offered for good cache ownership - their merits and their drawbacks. -
Incentives for cache owners?
TeamRabbitRun replied to Barnyard Dawg's topic in General geocaching topics
So let me get this straight: You participate in a hobby where you make things primarily for people who don't live there and don't care about you, and you're upset because they're not appreciative enough. You want GS to create something to make you feel better about yourself for creating these things when you don't see the point? In addition, there isn't enough local activity for you to be more active in the hobby, and you're upset that you can't participate at the same level as people who live in busier areas. Two suggestions: Maybe the 'hiding part of this hobby isn't for you, AND Take responsibility for your own hobby! If you don't like your caching environment, go change it! Go make more cachers to find your caches! Host events! Talk it up! Get into the local papers! Presentations at libraries or schools or places of worship or community centers! Get people to join you! Get people excited about this hobby! If you can't, then there's your answer; it just might not work where you are. You're right; this IS a game based in the US. Too bad, but that's where those guys lived when they started Groundspeak. I think Groundspeak does plenty to make accommodations for other places, but at some point you're responsible for you and your own experience.- 255 replies
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This thread rather makes me think that many of those witing here have not the slightest issue with it. That's exactly how I understand that everyone should cache as they want to enjoy the game. It all sounds in my ears like "Feel free to share as many coordinates as you want. All what counts is signing log sheets". Not at all. I encourage people to have the richer experience you offer, and I might even make a snide remark if they shortcut it. But the point here is that if they don't accept your offer, that doesn't diminish the richer experience I'll have when I seek the cache. The way you talk, you'll be so wrapped up in thinking negatively about the people that didn't follow the path presented that you won't even notice that I visited your cache and enjoyed it as intended. In fact, you sometimes talk as if I'll never get a chance to have the experience because your negative feelings are going to drive you to archive them before I get there, and that would be a shame. If you invite me to a party, I will enjoy the fine wine and food you serve me regardless of how many people go to the fast food joint down the street.
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Hard to define a single best day. But like you, most were getting one challenging cache. There is a 10 mile hike in the woods multi cache about 80 miles from us that is close to number one. Logged it as found the first trip but have hiked it a few more times just for the fun of it. Another was when I loaded of the kayak, drove 120 miles, and paddled 2 miles to get an island cache. And yet another was a cache 45 feet up in a big magnolia tree that required some form of climbing gear, took three trips before I finally managed to get to the cache. I don't expect to find many caches like these out in the wild. However, it sure would be nice to run across one every once in a while that didn't require a drive of 300 or more miles to get to. Wouldn't be none of this talk of burnout for me if that was the case.
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I have posted this in other "forgot my pen" threads, so I'll echo it here: most people don't intend to go out caching with a pen, just as most people don't intentionally leave their wallets at home, or lose their pen in their bag, or leave a pen or hiking stick or phone or GPSr at a geocache. All have happened to me over the last eleven years of geocaching. I've never left my daughter at a geocache, but then she can walk and talk, and she wouldn't let me leave her behind even if I tried. If you have never forgotten anything, then kudos to you.
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Challenge Cache type update?
funkymunkyzone replied to the Seagnoid's topic in General geocaching topics
So why are there different cache types at all? Why not just one cache type, one icon, and just put different words in the title to differentiate cache types? I dont understand the resistance to the idea of having a different cache type for challenge caches. Would it actually harm the way you cache? It's funny in a way that we can all talk specifically about challenge caches, we all know *exactly* what type of cache that is as opposed to other cache types, and there are lots of them... but for some reason, there's disagreement that they are indeed a distinct type of cache. -
Advice Needed- Nerd Nite talk about Geocaching!
NYPaddleCacher replied to Andromeda321's topic in General geocaching topics
There is nothing funny about an LPC. Not only that but they don't exist in Europe, so it's a bit pointless to mention them. I just heard from the organizers btw that it's even shorter- it's a 20 minute talk, and then a 10 minute Q&A session. So short! Also discovered luckily tho that there's an intro presentation on the geocaching site itself, which I won't have time to go through all of but using some of the slides are a great starting point type thing, so that's nice. I was also thinking it might be interesting to mention on the nerdy side a brief start to the history of geocaching, as I doubt most people realize the reason we now have GPS everywhere is because before 2000 it just wasn't possible! Also, I realized last night that it might be cool to ask the organizers if we could host a geocaching event there too for geocachers- just have a signup sheet on a table with a box for trackables type thing- as it's free and pretty fun normally as a night out, so why not? The other things I did for my presentation was that I brought in several containers to demonstrate what someone might look for. Several people thought the nano cache was really interesting. I didn't really talk about each container type during the presentation but put them on the table for people to look at after the presentation was over. -
Forum or no forum, that is the question
coachstahly replied to Ma & Pa's topic in General geocaching topics
I don't think bullying is the right word, but you need to have some thick skin here in order to stick around. There are some posts that start out with innocuous questions or comments that tend to diverge into two divided camps who vociferously support their opinion to no end. Most of the cachers in my area don't visit this forum because of that. When I talk about being on here or talk about the threads being discussed, I get comments like, "you're crazy" "Why would you go there?" "I don't go there. They're mean." -
So I was on my way home, from the biggest event to date in Colorado with 250+ attendies, the geochat,,, when i saw something florescent yellow swerve in front of me,,, I thought of you guys here and gracefully took the phone from the door of the car and had to press 1 button to snap a photo,,(i have it set up that way for a quick photo if something happends while im driving(other then that i dont talk on the phone while driving) also the only coin i took to drop at the event was a look twice coin- its nice to be apart of the project. i was susposto drop it,, but never had the chance to,,talk talk talk ..lol
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You won't find anywhere to enter a cell number. As described in the instructions above, you need to determine the email-to-SMS address for your phone number. ... >snip< ... For example, to send an email as a text to a Verizon cell phone, you would use phonenumber@vtext.com where phonenumber is the 10-digit cell phone number. Each provider has their own domain (the @whatever part), but they pretty much use the phone number as the individual email recipient portion (before the @). You can do a simple web search for something like email to at&t cell phone or email to sprint cell phone to find the particulars. Some of them use a separate domain for text (example ##########@txt.att.net) versus multi-media message (example ##########@mms.att.net). I've been doing this a lot lately because I have lousy cell reception at home (need to get one of those repeater thingies), and I can sometimes receive messages, but a lot of sends fail. So I send via Thunderbird using a profile that makes it look like my cell phone sent the message. I've added contacts for a lot of my family and friends using their appropriate ##########@domain. Edit: I forgot to mention that Straight Talk (by Walmart) is a little odd. It actually uses either Verizon or AT&T as the underlying carrier. My pastor had been using Verizon with a regular contract, but he switched to Straight Talk keeping the same cell number. I tried to send him the hymn numbers for next Sunday using the Verizon #@vtext.com and it bounced back. So I tried AT&T's #@txt.att.net and it worked.
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Just because it is doesn't directly relate to geocaching doesn't make it an agendum. I've found and hidden caches near historic places that talk about the history of said place, of which geocaching had no mention. Caches are near natural springs that invite finders to try the water, also not geocaching-related. Such a request might be interpreted as more of an agenda as OP's example. Of course, as we all know, previous caches in no way set precedence for future cache publications. If OP feels strongly enough about the situation, I would definitely appeal this decision.