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Yeah, I was hoping for a bit more "in theme" when I saw that one publish, especially knowing the CO and his penchant for challenging puzzles. But you're right, it's basically his usual event - meetup for morning coffee and breakfast, and talk geocaching. Agreed. Maybe someone else near here will have an event where we all get to play with making a cool container or something. Maybe we'll take the plunge and host an event and make it creative!

A local event, which is just a meetup at a coffee shop, got approved as an official Cache Carnival event, because there's encouragement to share, to talk about cool cache experiences. ... =/ Just host an event. Anything. Submit it for approval. You'll likely get it and be able to get the souvenir. The FP thing seems a lot like the Caching Connoisseur souvenir. But it's slightly different here (no TBs, only FPs with caches), at least with tiered souvenirs which is better. I don't think anyone expects that every cache with high favourite points means it's "a great geocache container". Anything looking for high FP implies having a better chance at finding a cool cache. I mean, you can play it letter-of-the-law and just find favourite points anywhere on anything, or - and this is how you actually have fun - play by the spirit of the theme and have fun with it --> Actually create a carnival-themed event. Go find geocaches with high FPs that are creative physical constructions. I'd love if HQ would actually raise minimum standards for promos like this so it can't be 'abused' (for lack of a better term) by minimizing participation requirements so 'everyone gets a trophy' - but at least the themes are creative and have potential, and the tiered souvenirs is definitely a step back in the right direction.

I don't mean to be rude, but when I place caches, I don't ever think about the comfort of ftf cachers. It's not a game that I play, and it's not official, so I submit caches on my own time, not other's. I don't mean to be rude either, but only one-third of my reasoning was related to the FTF crowd! Here's why staggered publication benefits the CO and cachers in general, not *just* FTF seekers. When a group of new caches is published, it's an exciting time for COs and for the local cachers. If the whole group gets published at one time, all of the initial excitement is gone in two days (in cities and suburbs, less so in rural areas where caches are not found for weeks or months - like right now, within 30 miles of me, there is exactly -1- unfound cache, and it is disabled for bad coords). I am a CO. If I were putting out four new caches, there is no way I would publish (submit) them all at once. (Obviously, FTF is a non-issue if I am the CO.) Why would I not do it? Because at least in this area there is much more seeking-and-finding-excitement the first few days, maybe up to two weeks. Then things quiet down and level off. Why would I want to be buried in emails for a week, versus enjoying a steady stream of emails for a month?? And the community is equally excited by new caches. Why bunch them? Better to hunt new caches all month than just one weekend. I realize that an unfound cache is an unfound cache. But people - not just the FTF crowd - love to see what's new out there and talk about what they and their friends are finding right now. At least in the caching environment here, it's a no-brainer that staggered submission/publication is the way to go! In my area FTF activity is IMO at exactly the right level. It exists, but it is not cutthroat. It adds fun and excitement in the community. People talk about it. It's good for the game. Yes, I play it too. Even if I didn't, I consider that some people that I know are doing it and enjoying it, and I'd slightly modify my submission/publication schedule to give them their enjoyment. Slight modification of submission/publication schedules is veeeery little extra effort for a CO, and greatly adds to the enjoyment of many. (Placing caches is the difficult, time-consuming work - do that on your own schedule, I suggest, but submit according to a good schedule for the community.) So yes, IMO a CO *should* consider the FTF crowd, and even if not, they should still stagger the submission/publication of nearby caches. Not just areas within our State, but in other States we've cached in, it seems the norm that after the FTF, caches tend to sit for a while. They're then hit by the locals within a few weeks, and sit again for some time before folks "just passing through" grab it once in a while. Staggering caches seems (to me) to only be an attempt to mix things up (or mess with) the FTF crowd.

I don't mean to be rude, but when I place caches, I don't ever think about the comfort of ftf cachers. It's not a game that I play, and it's not official, so I submit caches on my own time, not other's. I don't mean to be rude either, but only one-third of my reasoning was related to the FTF crowd! Here's why staggered publication benefits the CO and cachers in general, not *just* FTF seekers. When a group of new caches is published, it's an exciting time for COs and for the local cachers. If the whole group gets published at one time, all of the initial excitement is gone in two days (in cities and suburbs, less so in rural areas where caches are not found for weeks or months - like right now, within 30 miles of me, there is exactly -1- unfound cache, and it is disabled for bad coords). I am a CO. If I were putting out four new caches, there is no way I would publish (submit) them all at once. (Obviously, FTF is a non-issue if I am the CO.) Why would I not do it? Because at least in this area there is much more seeking-and-finding-excitement the first few days, maybe up to two weeks. Then things quiet down and level off. Why would I want to be buried in emails for a week, versus enjoying a steady stream of emails for a month?? And the community is equally excited by new caches. Why bunch them? Better to hunt new caches all month than just one weekend. I realize that an unfound cache is an unfound cache. But people - not just the FTF crowd - love to see what's new out there and talk about what they and their friends are finding right now. At least in the caching environment here, it's a no-brainer that staggered submission/publication is the way to go! In my area FTF activity is IMO at exactly the right level. It exists, but it is not cutthroat. It adds fun and excitement in the community. People talk about it. It's good for the game. Yes, I play it too. Even if I didn't, I consider that some people that I know are doing it and enjoying it, and I'd slightly modify my submission/publication schedule to give them their enjoyment. Slight modification of submission/publication schedules is veeeery little extra effort for a CO, and greatly adds to the enjoyment of many. (Placing caches is the difficult, time-consuming work - do that on your own schedule, I suggest, but submit according to a good schedule for the community.) So yes, IMO a CO *should* consider the FTF crowd, and even if not, they should still stagger the submission/publication of nearby caches.

Looks like the cache has frequent visitors in a relatively dense urban area, and it was probably the quick succession of 3 DNF's (with one Find in between) over the past couple of weeks or so that probably triggered the "...stupid Health score algorithm...". Judging from the Find logs, it sounds like a pretty tricky hide. Many people talk about finding the cache on their second visit, having to read previous logs to get some clues, and PAF in order to make the Find. It's your cache of course, but I would probably consider bumping the Difficulty up from the current 1.5 Stars to something a bit more "logical".

How much time do you have? When I've attended or taught one-hour classes, they've split the time in half. The first half hour or so is the "chalk talk", explaining what geocaching is, how GPS works, what geocache containers look like (with examples to pass around), what to do with trackables (with examples to pass around), the difference between trackables and trade items, the basic information in a cache description (size, difficulty, terrain, type), etc. Then, for the rest of the time, we go to an area where a bunch of geocache containers were hidden before class (ideally, at least one container per person), and the students take turns pointing out containers. (Some are easy, others are harder.) For longer classes, you can start with the same half-hour "chalk talk", then go find some nearby caches. One of the longer classes that I've helped with uses an old-school power trail, where students can find 8-10 varied caches and be back at the trailhead for lunch. There's actually a "hidden in plain sight" cache at the trailhead, that is used as the first example, with everyone raising their hand when they spot it. Then the class breaks into small groups of 3-4 students, with an experienced geocacher assigned to each. Each group gets a preloaded loaner GPSr, and they set off down the trail to find caches with their experienced guide. I haven't had good luck trying to get newbies to enter coordinates. I'd rather hand them a preloaded GPSr, or take them to a location where I've hidden containers, without having them find the location with a GPSr.

So my own two cents; I love Earth Caches. I love placing them and finding them. Part of my love for them started when I realized that as someone who frequently moves, theses are the only types of caches that I can hide AND expect to maintain longer than two to three years. Naturally as I started hiding and finding more I started enjoying them more. Then add in the fact that many locations in the US don't ALLOW physical cache placement... you're left with two options A multi-cache with virtual stages Earth caches! Additionally what you describe as "complicated (and often very subjective) questions" is unfortunately a natural manifestation of the evolving Earth Cache guidelines which require a lesson to be specific to a location, shouldn't be "google-able" and pertaining to a unique geologic feature. Combine all these together and you start getting into the realm of difficult and convoluted questions. That being said a good Earthcache is one that if you read the entire description and you stand at GZ, you should have no problem answering the questions. Ideally the cache page should explain all of the geologic information and ask you to make observations and deductions based on your reading. The general rule of thumb is that the information presented should be that which an average 14 year old can understand. While it may be more time consuming than a P&G I find it infinitely more rewarding. There is no comparison for me when you talk 98% of traditional caches compared to ECs. Feel free to join us over in the EC specific thread if you have questions or you want to try and design your own!

You're not incorrect. But this is technology. It changes. Quickly. Standards change, and if you are unwilling to keep with the standards - if you insist on using older and often outdated technology to serve your needs, any problems you run into are your personal problems, not a problem with the general system. Hardware and software makers can only support older models of their product for so long before it becomes unsustainable to do so. You can't blame Microsoft if features of Windows XP stop working when they are now 4 OS generations beyond and a decade past support. If you choose to continue using XP instead of 7, 8 , or 10, you do so at your own responsibility. In this case, GPSrs that support GPX files and direct loading with mass storage have been around for over a decade. The Communicator plugin was somewhat necessary to move data between websites and the GPS in earlier models that relied on using Garmin's proprietary serial interface to talk to the computer. But these new fangled fancy GPS models communicate over a standard USB interface, one that allows for mass storage. Transferring data is no different than uploading/downloading files from your hard drive. So when it became known that the platform that the communicator plugin was built upon provided vulnerabilities to end users, browser makers began removing support for those classes of plugins. Garmin decided it wasn't worth their effort to create a new, more secure communicator plugin because you can just download data directly to folders on modern GPSrs. Groundspeak took their time, but finally recognized that keeping the "send to GPS" function that relied on these defunct plugins was causing more confusion than functionality (or worse yet, encouraging people to keep their systems vulnerable to attack by using outdated browsers just to keep the feature working). So, "Send to my GPS" is dead. Getting geocaches to those old GPS models is now a convoluted process. You either accept that, or use modern solutions that made geocaching easier in general. Paperless caching. Direct GPX file interaction. Mass storage. Phones that do everything a GPS does including store data for offline use. You don't have to be a power cacher to take advantage of these features. You don't have to find 20+ caches a day to justify using them. Of course you are welcome to cache however you want and with whatever equipment you want. You can make the process as simple or complex as you desire. But if you choose to use legacy hardware and methods, it is not the fault of Geocaching.com or Garmin that some legacy functions get retired, causing you to change up your workflow. We at the forums are always happy to help. But when we come up with solutions that don't even require you to buy new hardware, and you reply with "well we just don't do it that way," forgive us for losing sympathy that you are experiencing troubles that are simply caused by your stubbornness.

My heart sank when I received the following e-mail from motnahp (the OP) today... "I think it is a bad idea to pass "Keep it moving" around so that other cachers can find it without actually looking. I hope you will hid it properly soon so that it can continue its journey. There has been some talk on the forum about this subject and the cache is in danger of being classed as a "Pocket Cache" and archived. This is a great cache which is no longer allowed. The proper thing to do, I think, would be to mention this in a note and possibly ask all those people who have logged it as found to delete their logs. It makes me very sad to see the cache being treated in this way." Where do I start? I know it is a great cache. I know the rules for this special cache. I now know "there is some talk on the forum" only because you started it?!? And I strongly believe the CO's "proper thing to do" is more important than the yours! I found "Keep it Moving" last month and asked nmartin the CO if he would allow me to bring it to my first ever event. His reply was... "Yes, have fun with it, just when you are done, send me the coord's of where you leave it." In keeping with the CO's wishes that is exactly what I plan to do. Take it to the event, have fun with it and when we are done with it pass it on for somebody else to release back in to the wild. I spent hours reading about the "Keep it Moving" adventure but the idea of posting a note that asks every cacher in the world that has "found" it at an event to delete their logs never occurred to me?!? Instead I decided to do something constructive with my time, I did my homework and discovered there are now less than 40 of these relics still in existence with the majority staying in the USA. I managed to track down another historic travelling cache currently in England called Hitchhiker 42 (GC1A74) and have arranged for their paths to meet for the first time ever my event! Surely bringing these fascinating caches together for one day will add another exciting chapter to their amazing journeys? Both CO's seemed happy with the idea. I personally think Events are a big part of "the spirit of Geocaching" as many cachers never get a chance to put faces to names or just talk passionately about the joys of caching with their peers! This particular event is the first in Glasgow for over 2 years and for many will be their first event. It should be great fun so if you're still feeling "very sad" why not come along? (GC3A830) "Happy" hunting! AMAZO

Exactly. So how is it relevant to this discussion? It's only relevant to your reviewer. It is not a universal mandate of all reviewers. It's a once-off decision made by your reviewer. Or maybe a regular process for your reviewer. I don't know. So again, it's between you and your reviewer, and/or appeals. That's as far as that situation goes. If you're trying to understand your reviewer's judgment by discussing it in the forum, then that's different, and we can only provide so much input before the discussion will be fruitless. And you should talk to your reviewer.

A few questions here- how can we help you without giving you instructions? Are you placing a cache of finding one? You talk about placing a cache, and downloading a "geocash placer" (whatever that is) but talk about putting GPX files on your phone. A few contradicting things here.

cruise ship Were you forced to travel alone or was this your choice? There are several thousand travelers with you on this cruise ship to talk to and having fun with. Why not just enjoying the beauty of such a journey?

Well, you did start off the OP with fact that you were trying to publish challenges...so naturally the inclination is for folks to talk about that aspect since they likely would not be publishable. As for caches found while cycling, we could get all nitpicky here and talk about actually finding a cache while on a bike vs. using a bike to get from one GZ to another. The former might be considered a T5 if accessing the cache requires use of a bicycle...though I'm hard-pressed to think of a scenario where one would actually need to be on a bicycle to grab a cache. As for the latter, just two weeks ago I rode the Atlanta to Stone Mountain trail on my bike and picked up about 14 caches while on the way there and back. At one point I chained my bike up and walked maybe a third of a mile up the mountain to grab a very old cache. Would this count as a 'biking cache'? If not, what would the radius be from where one parks their bike to GZ? On two others - both multicaches - I parked and walked several blocks to pick up each stage. Do those count? Just seems like there's a lot of gray area, so while I clearly wouldn't qualify for any of those caches, it would be difficult to answer for certain even if all I ever did was ride my bike for geocaching.

Every spring the topic re-occurs. "TICKS ARE OUT" ticks, getting them off you tick-talk tick-talk tick-talk Tick Talk Ticks Oh Man, They are REAL, ticks that is.... Proper Tick Removal - Its that season again Look before you step. Look before you touch.

I was trying to do bitwise ORs so the player had to talk to three characters before proceeding. Returning to a character a second time would be ignored So, talking to the charaters would OR 1, 2 , 4 Probably a bit excessive for this project so I've used three flags instead now Thanks

After finding one in my sons hair, and one on my arm, I started using my OFF spray. Previous tick threads. ticks, getting them off you tick-talk tick-talk tick-talk Tick Talk Ticks Oh Man, They are REAL, ticks that is.... Proper Tick Removal - Its that season again

I have to disagree with this. Yes, I'm sure without looking that the guidelines talk only about what it takes to find the cache and sign the log, but that's only because the guidelines aren't expecting a significant reset task that's even harder than what it took to sign the log. Saying that the difficulty rating doesn't include the reset effort implies that resetting the puzzle is optional. (Now that I've written that, I'm starting to worry that it's not responsive. I'm taking for granted you don't really mean "Reassembling the cache is not required PERIOD", so you must mean reassembly is not required in order to sign the log[/]. But correct me if I'm wrong.)

My first step would be to check that the location meets the saturation guidelines, that there isn't another cache within 528ft/161m of the location I want. For this check, I'd look at the traditional caches on the map, plus any puzzle caches or multi-caches in the area that I have coordinates for. Next, I'd work on securing permission. A lot of parks and open spaces around here have geocaching policies. As long as the cache meets the requirements of their geocaching policies, you have permission, and don't need to talk to a ranger or submit a form or anything. In those parks, I'd verify that my idea meets their geocaching policy. Otherwise, I'd talk to the land manager to get permission. Then, if my idea involved location-specific camouflage that couldn't be relocated easily, I'd double-check with a local reviewer that the location really is available, that there isn't some puzzle cache that I haven't solved that's blocking the location. Then I'd build the cache, place the cache, and submit the listing. Sadie, the funny thing is that everyone does stuff differently. Everyone will have a different answer. Just to add to niraD, I like to develop my listing on geocaching.com early on in the process, and leave a reviewer note saying that you are working on a cache for this spot. That way, if someone else attempts to put a cache there before your's is published, the reviewer will likely give precidents to your cache. You will likely get a email asking if you are indeed placing a cache there soon, giving you "first dibs" as it were.

My first step would be to check that the location meets the saturation guidelines, that there isn't another cache within 528ft/161m of the location I want. For this check, I'd look at the traditional caches on the map, plus any puzzle caches or multi-caches in the area that I have coordinates for. Next, I'd work on securing permission. A lot of parks and open spaces around here have geocaching policies. As long as the cache meets the requirements of their geocaching policies, you have permission, and don't need to talk to a ranger or submit a form or anything. In those parks, I'd verify that my idea meets their geocaching policy. Otherwise, I'd talk to the land manager to get permission. Then, if my idea involved location-specific camouflage that couldn't be relocated easily, I'd double-check with a local reviewer that the location really is available, that there isn't some puzzle cache that I haven't solved that's blocking the location. Then I'd build the cache, place the cache, and submit the listing.

I know this sort of thing has happened to cachers before but I don't regularly read these forums. Just thought I'd share my little geocaching adventure for the weekend. Went caching with a couple friends on Saturday; one of them was driving and navigating (it was his neighborhood) so I didn't really know where we were. We went out to some business complex. There was a security guard cruising around the parking lot so we waiting for him to go away before moving in. Right by the tree the cache was in we found a busted-up safe and cash drawer with various things scattered about like a receipt book, gift cards, and what seemed to be some kind of disk drive. My friends poked about with it but I was the only one who wanted to do something about it so I looked up the address on the receipt book and found out it belonged to a local massage place. I found their number and called them and yes they had had a break in recently. I reluctantly left my cel number with them but said I couldn't stay on the scene to wait for a cop because I wasn't driving and my friends wanted to leave. I didn't even know were we were but I got one of the guys to check his gps for where we were and I gave the massage place an address. I didn't know if the cops could find the place on their own and sure enough, a cop called me about 10 minutes later while we were hunting for another cache. All I could do was tell him I really didn't have any more info for him, and that someone who knew the area should have been the one to call but I was the only one willing to do it. I had to explain geocaching for him and give him the website address because he wanted to know why we were poking around by the trees. I had to give him my address and everything which I didn't like doing but I guess he needed to fill out paperwork. I had a sneaking suspicion the media would want to talk to me if they heard about this - I'm not even quite sure why but I just had this feeling. Sure enough, while I was making dinner tonight (Sunday) the phone rang again. It was someone from the Sheriff's office, she told me FOX News wanted to talk to me. I said no without asking for details. I don't know exactly what they wanted, they might be doing a piece on that break-in and wanted someone to talk about how they found the stuff. Of course, if that security guard we saw had been paying attention, HE would have found it.

I began by answering the question, explicitly, yes. Then I addressed the current state of the topic. If Sol seeker wants the thread to remain "on topic", and it was not ever supposed to be about the politics of those who have been banned, then she needs to speak up and attempt to steer it back on course. Otherwise, yes, the thread was not purely intended to discuss "What is the value of old timers in caching?" Post #7 - knowschad first steered the topic openly towards forum politics. Then Sol Seeker: "The point is that those who have been around a while have a lot to offer the community. They have VALUE in being here. They have a lot to share. ... We need people who have been around a while. The forums belong to everyone. Or at least they should. " Seems forum politics (not just value in geocaching) are a touchy subject. Then knowschad: "There seems to be a little confusion in this thread, I think. Are you referring to Geocaching old-timers, or forum regulars when you talk about old-timers? I thought you were referring to old-time forum regulars." Then the air was cleared in TriciaG's post #25, that there is a solid underlying issue regarding recent long-time forum users. And numerous responses have agreed, quite pleasantly, that there is certainly value of old timers in geocaching. I don't think anyone would disagree. So once again, if the thread is legitimately, and sincerely to discuss the value of old timers in geocaching, then sol seeker should make that clear. Either Knowschad misunderstood by post 7, and the thread has since already derailed into more angsty forum drama not related to the OP, or the thread has always had a passive-aggressive intent to rant about forum politics ETA: I'd love if this thread were just to talk about old timers (of all types) in geocaching and their value and merit! Share some examples, help promote community and loving and caring and fun and helpfulness! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. And most threads in these forums anymore turn angsty, and judgmental over time, in case you hadn't noticed. Please re-read your own post and think about if there's anything there that might be adding to that.

I began by answering the question, explicitly, yes. Then I addressed the current state of the topic. If Sol seeker wants the thread to remain "on topic", and it was not ever supposed to be about the politics of those who have been banned, then she needs to speak up and attempt to steer it back on course. Otherwise, yes, the thread was not purely intended to discuss "What is the value of old timers in caching?" Post #7 - knowschad first steered the topic openly towards forum politics. Then Sol Seeker: "The point is that those who have been around a while have a lot to offer the community. They have VALUE in being here. They have a lot to share. ... We need people who have been around a while. The forums belong to everyone. Or at least they should. " Seems forum politics (not just value in geocaching) are a touchy subject. Then knowschad: "There seems to be a little confusion in this thread, I think. Are you referring to Geocaching old-timers, or forum regulars when you talk about old-timers? I thought you were referring to old-time forum regulars." Then the air was cleared in TriciaG's post #25, that there is a solid underlying issue regarding recent long-time forum users. And numerous responses have agreed, quite pleasantly, that there is certainly value of old timers in geocaching. I don't think anyone would disagree. So once again, if the thread is legitimately, and sincerely to discuss the value of old timers in geocaching, then sol seeker should make that clear. Either Knowschad misunderstood by post 7, and the thread has since already derailed into more angsty forum drama not related to the OP, or the thread has always had a passive-aggressive intent to rant about forum politics ETA: I'd love if this thread were just to talk about old timers (of all types) in geocaching and their value and merit! Share some examples, help promote community and loving and caring and fun and helpfulness! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. So your first few lines make it sound like Knowschad and I are the same person, or at least see the world the same, or think the same, or ARE thinking the same, or something. I have no idea where you got that one. I assure you that Knowschad and I are indeed separate individuals; I am not a dog. As with every single other thread in these forums, or any forums for that matter, everyone can and does make of them what they will. I made myself clear in the first post. I don't know why you decided everyone else was speaking for me in muddying my opening post.

I began by answering the question, explicitly, yes. Then I addressed the current state of the topic. If Sol seeker wants the thread to remain "on topic", and it was not ever supposed to be about the politics of those who have been banned, then she needs to speak up and attempt to steer it back on course. Otherwise, yes, the thread was not purely intended to discuss "What is the value of old timers in caching?" Post #7 - knowschad first steered the topic openly towards forum politics. Then Sol Seeker: "The point is that those who have been around a while have a lot to offer the community. They have VALUE in being here. They have a lot to share. ... We need people who have been around a while. The forums belong to everyone. Or at least they should. " Seems forum politics (not just value in geocaching) are a touchy subject. Then knowschad: "There seems to be a little confusion in this thread, I think. Are you referring to Geocaching old-timers, or forum regulars when you talk about old-timers? I thought you were referring to old-time forum regulars." Then the air was cleared in TriciaG's post #25, that there is a solid underlying issue regarding recent long-time forum users. And numerous responses have agreed, quite pleasantly, that there is certainly value of old timers in geocaching. I don't think anyone would disagree. So once again, if the thread is legitimately, and sincerely to discuss the value of old timers in geocaching, then sol seeker should make that clear. Either Knowschad misunderstood by post 7, and the thread has since already derailed into more angsty forum drama not related to the OP, or the thread has always had a passive-aggressive intent to rant about forum politics ETA: I'd love if this thread were just to talk about old timers (of all types) in geocaching and their value and merit! Share some examples, help promote community and loving and caring and fun and helpfulness! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

I honestly can't remember what started me geocaching. Apparently I created my account in 2010, but I have no memory of how I heard of it or even of coming to the site. I think eventually in 2012 I was on the Google Play store and the c:geo app showed up as a recommendation. Now, I know I'm not supposed to talk about that, but in all fairness, it's THAT app that got me into geocaching. So I was on a lunch break, sitting in a Chipotle and I downloaded the app, figured out how to log in to the account I'd created...and when I opened it up I saw that there was a marker pointing to a spot only about 200 from where I was sitting right then. When I finished my lunch, I walked over and looked around for a bit and actually managed to find a very well concealed cache. That hooked me.

https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2019/01/one-map-endless-inspiration/ Dear Groundspeak, This must be the worst sentence I have read in a very long while. Everyone I talk to fears losing the old map, and many of us depend on that map to plan our geocaching outings. It's fast. It's (almost) dependable. It shows way more than 1000 caches. It works with several different map tiles. This has nothing to do with not liking change. This has to do with not wanting to lose one of the best features of geocaching.com. The new map is great for mapping PQs, searches and lists. But it's nowhere near being able to replace the old map. Please don't take away the most valuable feature you have.