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So "may" indicates it's optional, and a virtual attendee would choose not to. They may also choose to log a Will Attend and let the host know that they will be bringing 0 people. I agree, and I've seen some people physically at an event who didn't talk to or interact with anyone in any way, and I've seen many people who did nothing more than sign the log book and leave; however when I have seen people virtually attend via a skype session they have had a real interaction with the physical attendees because it's something different to the norm and everybody wants to get in on the act.

Let me post the guidelines again: Attend an event Find events near you and visit the cache page of the event you’re interested in. Read the event description carefully. You may want to bring geocoins to trade, trash bags to collect garbage (CITO), or some food to share. Post a "Will Attend" log and let the event host know how many people you're bringing. (bold-Italic inserted by me) So, if you attend on-line over the net, how do you bring coins or share food? An Event, in my opinion, is much more than just "attending", it is socializing it is a come together, talk, hear, smell, feel, get and give, many of those actions at an Event you cannot communicate over a cable, it will never be the same. Those bushiness meetings are based on fixed subjects, on-line to save time and money. If I go to a meetings, I am there to spend time with other Geocachers, talk about 100 different things and spend money by bringing some drinks and some food. Happy New Year 2018 to all of us

I don't mean to talk you out of it, but if I were you, I'd just continue to think of the previous caches as just my girlfriend's finds that I helped with, not as finds of my own. To me, the account is what defines my geocaching identity, so I'd treat the new account as strictly for new finds and not worry about the old finds not being associated with this new identity.

Well Waymarkers, Christmas is nigh, so it's time that we told you a little Christmas Waymarking story that may or may not have happened to us many years ago, back in the days when we were first on the road, hunting for new places to Waymark, new sights, new categories, a time when everything was shiny and new to us. So gather round the fire (here it's on channel 165) and we'll tell you the story of how we may or may not have met Kris Kringle himself: 'Twas the night before Christmas and here in the town All had been Waymarked so we bedded down, We'd Waymarked so long that our fingers were numb Now each had our own dreams of Waymarks to come. Now where should we head when the day dawned anew And we could put footprints in next morning's dew? Our options were many, but which would be best As we could head anywhere, north, south, east, west. While weighing our options I drifted to sleep With hopes that the day produced Waymarks to reap, Historic old churches would dance in my head As slowly I sank deep into the old bed. We knew the motels here would not be the best But darkness and hunger slowed us on our quest, And forced us in here to this seedy motel So here for the night is the place we would dwell. As sleep overtook me and lessened my pain Outside in the darkness it started to rain, Oblivious to it, remaining in dreams I slept the whole night, or so that's what it seems. When morning awoke me, outside in the dawn Through the mist covered window and shade that I'd drawn, I saw a strange figure outside on the walk And he beckoned to me as if wanting to talk. With a portly fat belly and all dressed in red He was soggy and sodden from toe to his head, He must have been out in the rain through the night So I hastened to find just what might be his plight. I invited him in through the creaking front door Then he started to speak as he dripped on the floor, "My name is Kris Kringle, I've come here to you To tell you a story I know to be true." He said "There's an old town way up in them hills Waymarkers who visit will find many thrills, It's wholly untouched by the Waymarking crew So Waymarks in that town will always be new." He gave us directions to this Xanadu "For Christmas this present is what I give you." Is what he then said as he turned to depart Then sloshed to the street where he'd parked his old cart. With reindeer for power, the cart was a truck That was straight from a dream that had just run amok, All covered in garlands and whistles and bells The kind of a truck a used car salesman sells. He whistled, then yelled and then screamed at the team But to no avail so he needed a scheme, He promised them goodies, the ploy seemed to work For newly alert they took off with a jerk. And when they'd gained speed they then started to fly Ascending up high in the cloud covered sky, Then up through the clouds they were soon out of sight I must now admit that it gave me a fright. We've searched for that town to which Santa alludes But to this day it for us still eludes, It's not to be found in the spot he described With maps or with sightings it never has gibed. Had Santa been here, or was it just a dream? For often things aren't always just as they seem, But still to this day do our hopes remain bright MANY WAYMARKS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!

I rarely post in these forums but I'm one of those guys. I babble in logs. I'll admit it. If I ever find one of your caches, though, don't fret. Just skip to the end, where I almost always type TFTC! Honestly, my logs generally tend to be directly proportional in length to either the effort that was put into the cache or the effort it took to get to or find it. A long, detailed log should be a compliment. To the OP, when I got stung nine times by hornets while running up a creek canyon to get to a cache, there was no way I wasn't going to talk about it in my log. When I got swarmed by mosquitoes while grabbing another? Okay, maybe I could have left that out. But there were a LOT of mosquitoes at that cache.

I wonder if example-setting needs to happen at events, where peer pressure would be most effective. I haven't been to an event in years, from what I see though most of the attendees prefer geocaching as a social event, in groups, for the numbers. Does anyone at events discourage numbers style play? Do they discourage hiding cheap leaky containers? Do they have a talk with the known maintenance shirkers about maybe not hiding more caches until they do something about their missing or broken caches--besides posting notes and OMs saying they'll get to it, then never do? Do they discourage folks from logging finds on caches they haven't visited? Do they discourage or reprimand cachers who are known for throwing down caches?

I guess we have to go somewhere else now if we want to talk to ourselves...

it sounds more like a calculated attempt to divert the reviewer's attention than an honest mistake. That's what I find unacceptable. This is a good example. Yes, it could be a calculated attempt to deceive, and I can even understand you believing that. But there's no reason not to take it at face value as a sincere statement by a CO that's finally decided to get serious about doing something about the problem, yet, nevertheless, fails to follow through. You can still approach the cache the same way, since it makes not difference to the fate of the cache whether the CO was sincere or not: the cache hasn't been fixed, so the OM means nothing. The only difference is that you don't waste time or energy condemning the CO by assuming which precise way he failed us. On the other hand, add to the scenario that he does this all the time even after you complained to him, and I'll accept he's the problem and suggest you talk it over with the reviewer.

If you feel like you made a mistake, apologizing and explaining would probably undo the damage of turning off the other cacher. In fact, showing a personal interest in talking it over might make that person feel better about geocaching than before. I don't think you've done anything particularly wrong, so I'm not saying you need to apologize, but since you feel bad about it, there's no reason not to talk it over with him and maybe make a new friend. Too often these days geocachers seem quick to forget that the other person is just another geocacher that wants to have fun. And sometimes that makes us forget that the easiest solutions to most geocaching problems is to talk it over.

I've happily used that option to find events for some time, and explained that way to easily find events (within a regional thread) just yesterday. Like Keystone says, forums aren't like they were. Of the five regional sites (two local) I belonged, all are on faceboook now. I'd think we're lucky to have that odd state option there, since we "talk geocaching" at events. It's a surprise (to me) when a new thread is started, or replied to in the regional forums these days...

If I go to this page: https://forums.geocaching.com/GC/index.php?/forum/50-united-states/ I can click on the Northeast, Midwest etc heading links and it goes through to a sub forum but if I click on the links for individual states it goes through to a geocache search page - not as expected as it says 'Talk Geocaching in ' Thanks

All this talk of waypoints is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the matter at hand. The point is that the task (and the result of completing the task) should be the same for everyone. In the example you quoted above, everyone would end up with the same result, because there's only one "tallest statue" of the five statues. It doesn't say that they can take their picture with any of the five statues. With your earlier example of GC7B78E, all finders need to visit the same locations, so the task is the same for everyone and they should always get the same result. With pri0n's cache, the task is not the same for everyone and there can be different results.

Why is that a dilemma? If they're responsive, then obviously you post the appropriate NMs and NAs so they know what they need to respond to. Get used to COs not always maintaining caches. Get used to bad caches. Both happen. But by "get used to", I mean get used to dealing with it, not ignoring it or expecting someone else to do something about it. You don't have to be satisfied with bad COs, but the solution is to talk to them and try to convince them to do better. No reviewer or GS lackey is in a better position to do that than you are. HOW is to post the appropriate logs and let nature takes it's course.

Likewise what PB above said. I wouldn't trust any information off a government website to be up to date. I've had numerous issues with such information with NFS and BLM not keeping their website information up to date. I would talk with a live person who knows the latest information. I would keep their contact information handy in case further follow up was required by a Local Reviewer or HQ.

I will talk with bootron if we have an easy way to seek for archived waymarks.

This is a very good cache hider and good cache maintainer. I think he has passed 500 hides and NO power trails. He archives them when he needs to. The only time I have replaced a cache for him is when I am able to get a hold of him, talk to him about where the cache is supposed to be, and then I OFFER to replace it if it is missing. Sometimes he says 'no', that he will replace it, but occasionally he gives me the go ahead and says 'thank you.' My Geocaching enjoyment has gone up 1,000% since I really started to work well with others. Just yesterday, I got a call from a cacher who was on the phone with another cacher, about a cache she couldn't find that I found in 2012. I was just a couple of miles away and drove over and helped her find the cache (it was on the way to my bank any way). Helping folks find caches, helping folks maintain caches and enjoying the camaraderie of caching, why is any of that a 'bad' thing?

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You just don't get it. I'm saying the bad assumption is what led you to think you should report it to the reviewer. Yes, report what you see to the CO and talk it over with him. You don't need the reviewer involved unless the CO's response doesn't satisfy you.

Wow. I'm impressed. I keep a bookmark list of the caches where I leave a note in my log saying the cache is actually a micro, not a small (and link to, or provide the size capacities). There are 30 on the list (I stopped bothering to add to the list after a while) and only one changed the size to a micro. niraD wasn't explicit, so I can't say what he's talking about, but the exchange he commented on specifically used the phrase, "talk directly with the cache owner" which I took to mean a personal note discussing the issue, not just dropping a quick comment in a log without a supporting argument. I rarely care about such things because they are so often subjective, but if I run into something that seems objectively wrong and I send the CO a note explaining why I think it's wrong, I'd expect to either see it corrected or to get a counterargument explaining why the CO thinks it's right. niraD caches in the same area as I, so I assume he'd expect the same thing. Are the expectations different in your area?

You logic is failing. Only reviewer would know all details about the reviewing process. Public disclosure of this type of information (as OP made) can be considered spoiling. Example: I have cache which seems to be buried. Actually the cache is inside a hole in bedrock and there is a camouflaged plastic cap covering it. This cache is rated D4 because the camouflage is so unnoticeable. Sometimes geocachers interpret it as being buried instead of covered which is the case, I have no problems if the reviewer would ask about the implementation. Actually one reviewer questioned wether it is in line with the guideline after he found it. But, if such a thing is brought up in the log entry or forums, then I interpret it spoiling.You may talk directly with the cache owner but I suspect it is useless as it wont work even on minor problems like wrong cache size or terrain level.

You should consider all fellow geocachers your friends. Talk to him about it. If he can explain, you'll have your explanation. If he did something wrong, you can explain to him what it was and why it's wrong. The least interesting and most useless option here is to anonymously call the authorities in so they can punish him.

Well...if we're going to talk about avoiding removal of underbrush and vegetative obstacles, perhaps we ought not use the term "bushwhacking" when publishing or logging a cache. I mean, I know it's just a word, but it does imply a certain degree of latitude is given with respect to removal of pesky green stuff.

Yep. I've read cachers talk about retaliation to any cache owner that would insist the sign the logbook individually. They would purposefully fill the logbook, then post an NM.

Hello ! Thank you very much for answering ! You motivated me ! Sorry for late answer but I had a lot of work this week. Several points to consider: 1) I still cannot connect to Garmin Servers. Why? It is still a mystery 2) I loaded GSAK. And….. I am happy as a clam. I still have to fully understand GSAK user interface but everything is moving in right direction. 64 connected without problems.Finally I can mange my caches. 3) 60CSx did not wanted to “talk” to GSAK. I installed new Garmin GPS drivers and it is working!!!! It is a Veeeeery Goood news. 4) I am really gratefull for your answers. It was my first post on this forum. And YES Mr. Red 90 I really dont know what I am doing but am slowly getting better . I knew about GSAK but you know, Communicator made my lazy.... As I said before I was occasional user. I like this hobby but I simply do not have enough time. I know that “hard core cachers” may consider this a heresy ...but… I still believe that for occasional user Garmin communicator is probably the best way of loading caches. Especially if you have 60CSx. 5) Yes, Communicator is still working but now I probably will not use it. GSAK is much better. 6) This forum delivers more real help than Garmin “help”. 7) I understand people loading hundreds of caches to their device. I am not going to do it. My personal preference is: quality over quantity. 8) I also noticed that in the last 2-3 years this hobby is moving a little bit slower. I my area ( western NY State) we have some excellent caches slowly sliding into oblivion. Especially multis are vunerable to neglect. Owners are non responsive and maintenance is non existent. Do you notice the same things in your place ? 9) If you ever going to my area let me know. We have several nice nature preserves and they deliver nice geocaching. 10) I will consider premium membership. It is not really about money. It is about time.I do not have enough time but i have two GPS receivers. Greetings ambeer

I hadn't considered the earthcache permission standard as a way to compensate for limited local knowledge by geoawares, but that does make sense. How often does cross-talk occur between geoawares and Groundspeak reviewers? Do they ever reach out for a local reviewer's opinion, is it a stovepipe operation, or something in between?