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The people I'd be inclined to talk to are the local reviewers. I suspect they'd give you a better understanding of what's going on and why. I don't think there's anything you'll be able to do about this new reviewer's actions since it sounds like it just one more aspect of a general change in attitude of GS towards cache maintenance, but I think you're local reviewers will be able to help you adjust to the changes if you can. I won't defend this reviewer's actions, but I do want to ask you to consider why those caches were archived and whether it's really that big of a deal that they were. Even if you wish they weren't archived, can you still see a reasonable justification for the decision? If so, maybe you should just move on and plant replacement caches instead of archiving caches yourself and leaving the game. I have a hard time seeing the logic in archiving good caches to protest this reviewer archiving caches which must have been in some sense dubious. If you are willing to archive caches so easily, why didn't you archive those caches before that reviewer ever came into the picture?

As a slight sidebar to Mineral2 so he can continue to provide awesome help to others, I'll share my recollection of that era in the hope that it helps anyone. 200x-era Garmin USB trivial pursuit can be a tricky category. In the 1990's, Garmin had a line of products with overlapping prices and features that were all serial ports. In 2004 They had the new 60 and 76 models (with and without Color and Sensors) that added a USB port. In that era, map transfer and track transfer were the only thing that *typically* took over a minute to transfer so that's all that went over the USB wire. After shipping for a few quarters they added the ability to read and write the SD cards as removable storage devices over the internal memoru, albeit at USB full speed and not high speed. That was the point where Garmin USB got viable for moving GPS points and racks because you could just copy files to them as you would a thumb drive. By 2004/5, devices on the market that were using the CSR owned SiRFStar receivers which performed their home brews in a matter of ways. In Jan of 2006, Garmin released the "X" variations of the 60c/76c. The SirfStar supplier was under constant attack for alleged patent violations and Garmin, as their biggest user, was hit hard by both supply and concern if the suit continued on, so they double-sourced and went to the very similar MediaTek products. Garmin didn't like the uncertainty, but muddled on with their two flagship handhelds. By spring of 2007, the -other- entries in the handheld line (eTrex, Summit, Legend, + Nuvi) were looking pretty ragged. Serial port adapters and proprietary cables were costing a substantial percentage of the product. The typical user no longer even knows what a serial port is, let alone how to make one. So they ran back over those 1900-era models and re-cut Vista HC Legend HC, Summit HC, and eTrex HC Oh, and Nuvi but it's the odd duck here so we'll ignore it. There "HC" models retain all kinds of bizarre 1990s tech (six character upper case only names? Ugh) with their namesake models; they "just" got the better Highsensitivity Chip and integrated USB. They kept the cases and holsters and bike mounts and everything as possible as they could. Code-wise, though, these models acted more like stripped down 60's than their namesakes. You really can imagine (OK, _I_ can...) the engineering decision that this was a copy/paste exercise to put the (potentially depopulated, underrated) hardware into as close to the same case as you get - close enough to hopefully not need a new mold but just a new die flash cut (think cookie cutter) as they cooled. It would have been a very reasonable task for a small team of interns to knock down during the summer: take the schematics, source code, getber files, FCC guidance, etc, and "just" swap radios and turn off some features from the 60 to make it fit into a smaller flash EEPROM. Don't try to make Legend try lower case letters - just swap the chip and do as little to the code as possible. There are a few other glitches in that time frame, but remembering that the 60C/76C were the first of the second gen platform (to me). They didn't look/act like anything before them in Garmin-land and almost everything after them looked the same. Nuvi and Colorado hatched others named like states where bigger numbers == more awesome within the line, but they're totally different on the wire and in UX that in my mind they're the third gen. (Fitness, aviation, marine, etc. could more planes to this diagram, but let's not.) So, back to the sentence " you have the last model of the old family) supports GPX files and mass storage mode. You can just download a Pocket Query and drop it into the device's onboard storage (or a microSD card expansion) and be done with it." that's not quite true. The Legend hcx, for example, was shipped after the 60Cx, but it acts more like the 60 and original Legend than it does a Nuvi 350, 500, or Oregon 300. which shipped AFTER the 60 with noticeable improvements, like a geocaching mode that was more awesome than animating an icon lid closing on the container. To make matters worse, the new Nuvis (err, "Drive" models) will still take your GPX files, but it doesn't mount on your computer like a file drive. You have to treat it like a 15 year old flash player or camera and transfer files to it via PTP or MTP. On the up side, your GPS won't go into charging mode and "dead" when you plug into charge and you don't have to reboot to get your points visible on a map. But you don't have those models, so let's not stay with MSTO itself being an outdated standard itself at this point in time. Garmin isn't alone in this line of confusing product lines. The Meridian was clearly SD card hooked to code dealing with serial ports. Explorist x00. The successor to it, Triton was something totally new (and disastrous). Seeing those tank, Magellan, under the new leadership of Mitac - rolled out a less hacky Explorist and goes back to the former name, but the numbers confuse people because an X10 is newer than an X00. A 310 has more in common with a 210 than a 300. The newest Explorists (and they're going on 10 y/o at this point) have more in common with the turn of the century Magellans than either of the entire product lines that should have replaced them.| NOW going back to the original question. The 60CSx was a lovely unit. Search and Rescue teams, in particular, love many traits about them and aren't switching. You have to remember it's a 2007 remake of a 2004 product. It's probable that most of the geocaches between 2006 and 2010-11. It's not like site changes for, say, Giga cache are likely to impact it much as it doesn't know about geocache types; there's only found and not found. The device should work. However, as you've found, some of the software infrastructure that will cut maps and deliver geocaches in a "dumbed down" way needed by those has suffered from dry-rot. You didn't say what OS you were on, but Windows users will need https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1245 That driver doesn'say much about Windows 10. If you're on Linux or MacOS, GPSBabel *should* be able to talk straight to the unit, but you may be the only one that's tried it in 10 years. Buzz me if that's the case. Garmin did their users no favors by not upgrading their browser plugins to relevant browser security stands...

I don't see the issue here as being "nitpicking", but rather a lack of trust. Rather than accept the word of those who have used these devices for years and have even gone to the lengths of doing additional testing to confirm, you seem to be insisting on some kind of incontrovertible proof directly from authoritative sources. If that's the only thing that will convince you, then you've come to the wrong place. You'll need to talk to Garmin, but you shouldn't be surprised if you find you get far less useful information from them than you have here.

Thank you, Mountain Woods, for making the trip from Missouri, and Thank you, Vulture1957, for making the trip from Oklahoma. Thank you, Benchmark Blasterz, for NOT taking that trip to Colorado. We enjoyed your company, and listening to your talk. Yes, the Event at J & J Pizza, ended up being a training session for Geocachers. Many of them came to learn more about Waymarking and we couldn't disappoint them. Next year, the Texas Challenge will be at Seguin, TX. It is located about 25 miles east of San Antonio on I-10. I am in charge of the Committee that will be planning that Mega Event. I will be very busy for the next year. I will be too busy all weekend to host a Waymarkers Gathering Event. If someone else would like to take charge of setting something up, I will do what I can to get it in the schedule. I still have Waymark Stickers available at $1.00 each. I'll pay the postage for delivery within the US. You can contact me at 8nuts1@gmail.com Edit to add the last line.

Thank you. He hasn't tried to talk me out of much, but if he had I'd listen. Some days are good; some days you come out of treatment and sleep 10-12 hours to recuperate.

My experience today tells me this is all fine. Most people don't bother with NM's and NA's or even mention the state of the cache in their logs and anyone who cares enough to post NM or NA has to trail out to the cache first to see what state it's in no matter how much evidence there is to support that it's a piece of unmaintained junk. Ergo all this talk of the CHS and all the effort of integrating it into the system seems, to me at least, to have been a complete waste of everyon'e time as the net result will ultimately be that nothing will improve whatsoever. If this is the party line I'm going to surrender to the party line and just log my find and move on, regardless of what's at GZ. The race to the bottom is complete.

I think this sums up my problem. COs are what makes the game happen. As much as we owe the reviewers that have to put up with COs, we owe the COs more. So if they whine, we should listen. But you talk as if you're thinking, "How dare they whine. They should be grateful we're finding their miserably little caches." The longer this goes on, the more I think that this big push for "quality caches" is a big reason why there are fewer quality caches. The better a CO is, the more likely being called "whiny" will make them lose interest.

Brutalfly, I helped a local teacher who wanted a grant for GPS units and to teach geocaching to her students. The caches would just be for those students, so there was no need to publish them on the GC site. We walked around the school, chose different cache types for different hiding spots. She did a great job planning this activity for her students. On the flip side: I was asked to talk about geocaching (specifically latitude/longitude) to my son's 3rd grade class. I informed the Principal and secretaries in advance what was planned, so they wouldn't panic if a kid reported a suspicious container. Everything went great until it was time to go outside and find the cache, only to learn that the kids who were just outside during recess found it first and were so excited to show everyone else. "Put it back, put it back, quick quick!" Haha.

I just want to reassure you guys that I talk with my principal all the time and we have nothing but the safety and security of the student we teach in mind. We briefly chatted about this and would never make things public so other can come onto the school property. What we normally do is form a committee and discuss these types of ideas to the fullest extent we eliminate anything that could put children in danger especially with all the school things going on. I do have 3 children of my own and would never do anything to put them as well as my students in harms way. If we did do something like this it would be kinda like an Easter egg hunt but just for our school and our students only. There would be no tracker for anybody to come onto the property. Just wanted to clarify all that. We do fully exhaust all good and bad things that could happen before we decide to do anything.

Umm...yeah. Neither of those discussions would happen. Are these hypothetical families also going to talk about the "Friend League", the parents humbly admitting that most of the people listed as "friends" are people they never actually met? "But Daddy, it says they're your friends! My whole existence is a lie!"

I really need someone that has a Garmin 700 to try to talk me through some steps on setting mine up for Geocaching. I have googled all the help and watched the youtube videos but I am still no where close to getting the gps to where I can use it. If anyone could and would help me I really would appreciate it. Thank you. I am replacing an Oregon 450

I have just bought a Garmin 700 and I am having all kinds of problems trying to get it set up. Can someone direct me to someone that might can talk me through setting it up. Google is really not much help to me.

It sounds to me that you didn't understand what was going on. Without seeing the exchange, I don't know what's going on, either, but if the reviewer had to ask what was wrong after you posted your NA, then you should start with discussing privately with the reviewer how your NA could have been more complete. Well, I'm betting you were using the new user interface, so your actual NA was just the modern canned NA, and the reviewer was having trouble figuring out what the problem was based on the Found or DNF log, but all the more reason to talk it over with him.

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I'm planning a trip and would like todo a pocket querrie. Or what ever it is called. I can't do it. Geocahing does not respond to any of my Messages. Can anyone help me with it. I'm new to using a phone. I'm back to caching after some years. I got the premium membership yet wondering why I wasted the time .. Is there a class on this. Is there a place where I can talk to a person? Is there someone who can talk to me like a three year old without a phone.. I don't understand the lingo..of the phone.. pinch, blahhhh.. Isthere anyone near who can help me/ I'm going to quit due to no events...no where to learn no emails answered .. I'm aggravated as hell. I'mplanning a month in advance and I can't get anyone to show me the ropes.. I probalby won't even be able to find this page again. Been asking for a week and now have three weeks until schedule departure. Does anyone have the time , energy to help me.. I never knew I have to be an expert on the laptop and phone to play a game that is outdorors.. smh. I'll have to find something else.. I'm so tired of it.

And previous threads will prove you know my name isn't Bert. So let's talk about insults a bit longer...

Then if that's the case, after three pages just in this thread alone, you must just like to hear yourself talk. If you communicate clearly and effectively, a single post is all that's needed.

Thank you all for responding to my post. From reading these forums, I thought naively, like a Field of Dreams, that if I put great caches in amazing places, they would come. My friend (actually, she's my daughter) and I often work together on caches and we have several collaborations that I am proud of. I used the Nature Preserve as an example because I follow both caches and the difference is stark. I think I just needed to know that it is normal and dedicated COs care lovingly for caches that others rarely visit, and thats ok. So thanks for the pep talk. I'll keep hiding caches that I would like to find in amazing places I would like to share. And go search for that ammo box in the woods you've been thinking about. It will remind you of why you started this hobby while you make some COs day.

i would contact the cache reviewer for your area. each reviewer has quirks they allow and dont. they should be able to help you with the rules. the one major rule i see is no caches on school property. the other would be the amount of gps's needed to accomodate that many people and to have to explain to that many people how to program coords into an infinite variety of gps's that would be there. we helped with one a few years ago and these are just a few ideas. sounds like it would be fun though. have you been to any geocache events/meetings? maybe talk to a few local cachers and get there 2 cents. they might want to help thats how we got into ours. cache on

Thanks everyone. I guess I was aggravated but mostly curious if there was an unwritten code of cacheing conduct. The trail spans 4 towns so far and there is talk of extending it all the way to Lake Michigan. It has been fun biking and cacheing. I just feel like it's less than courteous to span a trail the distance of 2 towns with what appears to be lesser caches when there are many others who would like to place a hide.

I'm curious why you would consider quitting the game just because someone hid a bunch of caches along a trail. You already said you weren't planning on hiding any caches there, so what part of it do you feel has impacted you to the extent that you would consider walking away? I would genuinely like to know. The answer to this will probably vary depending on the region and community. Around here, we don't have a lot of places where you could do something like this simply due to the terrain and type of environment. In general, cachers around here don't hide more caches than they can maintain, with the odd and expected exceptions. They could talk to the CO and see if they could cooperate on hiding caches along the trail. If they only wanted to hide a cache or two, they could contact the CO and see if they can leave a few spots open. This varies depending on the person and region, so there isn't a way to give a specific number. In a desert environment, a retired cacher could realistically hide a huge number of caches that require little to no maintenance, and would have enough time to maintain the ones that do. In an environment that has snow on the ground for half a year, a working cacher could realistically hide and maintain a smaller number of caches that would require more maintenance and have less time to do so. There are many other factors at play, too. If these caches are all being hidden by one CO, you could set up a filter on your email to filter out emails that contain the string "Created by: [insert CO name here]", which would be present on any of the publication emails for that CO's caches. If the caches are all part of a series with a common element in the name, you could filter on that too. My suggestion is to not get too worked up about what others are doing. Everyone caches for different reasons and in different ways. Some like to hide lots of caches and find few, some hide few and find lots, and many other combinations in between. As long as someone else's play doesn't directly affect you, try not to let it get to you.

Clever. Get any "interesting" images of others "posing" for the camera? I've only done a few webcams. On a couple I self captured an image. For the one at the Alamo I called my wife and she captured the photo. I don't know if it had more charm but it was nice to talk to my wife while standing in front of the web cam.

Hello I am an old new player, I love the Trackables attached to things and I really think the GeoCoin is amazing! When you find a Geocoin (I have not yet) you catch and release but i was with some one and i sure wanted to keep that coin, im sure we all do at time, so do players save this find? a personal photos? or is the trackable page on GC enough for everyone? I heard on a podcast people keep books but I am not sure what that means. Also in regards to coins when i hear people collect them they are purchasing and keeping I assume or are there coins in the wild intended to keep? I personally got a retried geocachers possessions and they had 3 new First to FInd Coins. One of them is trackable. How do I use this, Is it registered and given to the first person who finds and thats it or does it move on? or is that mainly a personal keep coin since i actually own it? I have a Few sets of tags and I cannot wait to set them in the wild, i would prefer that they are only logged by people who find them then just discover them via an internet leak, is this something I should bother being concerned about? Thank you I appreciate the discussion and the oppertunty to talk about these things, its really not nice out side deep snow and cold here so when the spring comes I want to be ready to produce quality caches and ensure I am caching trackables and other longs properly and fully. I appreciate you time in clearing this up for me i find a conversation and taking a seperate chat is very helpful and while im talking on it i get some great dialogue and learn better terms to search more specifics

My log from 01/06/2016 was also deleted, more than two years after the Picture Taken log was posted. Like Réd I don't recall that the name of the cache included the admonition "(NO photo across the road!)." I also don't recall the big pictures and arrows being on the cache page, but heck, we were geocaching via iPhone 4. Those are some pretty small screens. If we had seen it we definitely would have taken note. Unlike Réd, I did receive some responses from the CO. His first response was, "Having to be fair to everyone we had to delete over 20 logs." Based on the maintenance log he left on the site he claims, "Upon back-checking it was found that logs were submitted by other means possibly by cellphones or apps that did not show up in e-mails to be reviewed therefore bypassing our 'Reviewer' for Webcams and EarthCaches." In other words, every one of those who submitted a log with a picture taken across the street must have cheated the system, preventing him from the opportunity to delete the log when it was first posted. I posted from my iPhone while at the Webcam. My dad posted that evening from his iPod back at the hotel. My sister posted that evening from her laptop back at the hotel. The CO's second response was, "Actually there were a few that posted Notes and MUCH later changed them to "Found" - I only check the ones I have coming in by e-mail. I have only this one on record from you http://coord.info/GC3E9QK" In other words, he has accused me of posting a Write Note that bypassed the system and prevented him from being able to review, then MUCH later changing the log to a "Found" log. He lies. I questioned his idea of fairness, saying that I could see him deleting logs the same day or even within a week. Swift action give cachers a chance to rectify the problem. But to delete them 2+ years after the fact? There is no fairness in that! His response was, "Geocache Description: As of the 4th of July 2013." I appealed to him that he should show some reason with this, that I (and my dad and sister) had planned and executed milestones over the last two years, and this specious action on his behalf has a ripple effect. It has (1) caused the log of Mingo to not be a milestone for either my sister or myself, and (2) caused the qualifying milestone caches (Mega, Webcam, Virtual, and Event) I had executed for 9- and 10-icon milestone challenges to no longer align. If these challenge cache owners decide to check my qualifiers now (apparently there is no statute of limitations) they can also delete my logs for these caches. The description of Webcam Caches that appears on the Geocaching.com website says in part, "The idea is to get yourself in front of the camera and save a screen capture from the website where the camera is displayed in order to log a find." When first published the logging requirements for this Webcam Cache was precisely that: "Get your picture taken by the camera and post it online." According to the cache page, on July 4, 2013 the CO added an Additional Logging Requirement -- One has to stand in a particular area of the camera for the "Best place for a photo that even your mother would recognize." For what purpose? The CO isn't going to recognize me. And the ironic thing is that the CO includes a picture as an example of where to stand, but the subjects aren't even standing in the place he says people should stand... on the sidewalk! Talk about your mixed messages! Is it kosher to change the logging requirements on a retired cache type to something other than what geocaching.com says is the "idea"?

What if the owner says "Yeah, I drilled into the tree." Then what would your response be? Well, I wouldn't have brought it up to begin with, but if you're asking the CO because you feel strongly about drill holes, then I assume that response wouldn't satisfy you (assuming it didn't include an explanation for why the reviewer approved it despite the drilling), so then you'd talk to a reviewer.