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  1. Fully agree. Not few cache owners are the opposite here - quite easy to offend by an honest log. But I do not think it is too different in other places in the world... Aren't we all weak egomaniacs!? By the way: we usually talk about too LOW ratings. Did anyone of you ever complain about a rating that was too high? Finding the terrain 3 cache high in the tree or the terrain 4 cache which needs a ladder makes me usually complain about the rating. But what about the terrain 5 cache that can easily be climbed to so that terrain 4 would suit better? Or the difficulty 4 mystery cache that anyone solves in 3 minutes. Do you complain that the rating is too high? Perhaps I do not do this as often as other way round but I think it is important to do so, too. If you do in both directions it shows that you want the rating to suit the cache. If you only complain about low ratings it might show that you want to have a big statistics. Both may be true (for all of us)... Recently I solved a D3 mystery in one minute. Now the cache is rated 2.5 after my log - any maybe D2 may be even better as the riddle was really easy. The owner listened to me and no one else complained about the decreased rating as it was just too high... May be something different if the D5 cache would become a D3?! ;-)
  2. I think we are still on topic, and I don't mean to offend Touchstone - if there really is an issue of COs (note plural) unreasonably deleting peoples logs, and continuing to do so, then let's talk about that as a reason for a change of some kind to deal with it... But I'm not seeing it...
  3. To add to the above... Since I'm quite a fan of Earthcaches, and somewhat of a promoter and advocate for earthcaching, I often talk to people about earthcaching. Of those who aren't into earthcaching, here are the top 3 reasons why they don't do it: Number 1 - Too much work to do, too complex, hard to complete requirements, don't know what I'm looking at, don't have something to write down answers on, etc. (Some of this is being unprepared, some of it relates to overly complex ECs they have looked at, or even poorly written up ECs that don't give enough background info) Number 2 - It's virtually impossible to get an EC published, even when you jump through all the hoops, more hoops get created and there's so much inconsistency in the reviewing. (Well, no offence to the reviewers in this thread who have been very helpful in this discussion, but I tend to agree with this one - from my experience I have wasted many many many hours, probably 100s trying to get ECs published and then given up because of sometimes outrageously stretched and pedantic interpretations of guidelines, sometimes entirely made up ones) Number 3 - Oh, there isn't a number 3... Nope, I have never ever heard the reason, in the hundreds of people I have talked to about earthcaching, that they don't do ECs because of COs deleting their logs too quickly and upsetting them. Not once.
  4. I'm not infuriated, but it does seem stupid. If ever there was a good example for posting an NM, this is it, yet they don't even mention that. Instead, we're supposed to quietly talk to the CO in order to to keep it a secret so no know else that might want to look for the cache knows it's a piece of junk. Sheesh. I'm not surprised by the "replace with fresh paper" suggestion even though it's unbelievably silly: ignoring the signatures, the log they show might have been added yesterday from the looks of it. By the time I get through all that, I'm only mildly amused by the idea that they are, it's true, telling seekers that they are supposed to perform maintenance if they can. Astonishingly counterproductive.
  5. 14 in 24h?!? That is so Amazing Race. Every so often I talk up the idea of doing the 8 countries from Panama City to Cancun, and - because things aren't that efficient down there - I keep wondering if 3 weeks might be rushing it. Interestingly, it looks like last-minute one-way flights home from Cancun cost next to nothing. I'd never have guessed. So it leaves the door open to an open-ended trip. Find a paradise beach along the way? Stay a while.
  6. I know you're (probably) not serious, but #2 and #3 sound like good ways to (1) get your cache archived when the foreign reviewer finds out, (2) lose all trust with your local reviewer(s) when the the foreign reviewer lets your local reviewer(s) know you are not to be trusted (reviewers talk all the time, you know), and (3) potentially have Groundspeak suspend your account or take other sanctions. I would recommend instead: 1. Plan a non-physical cache, such as an earthcache or (if you have one) virtual reward, and plan it so that maintenance will not be necessary. 2. Plan a meaningful event that will give local geocachers and other travelers a chance to meet and greet. 3. Find a local maintainer who will actually maintain your cache BEFORE hiding the container and submitting the cache for review. 4. Failing #1, #2, and #3, don't hide a cache.
  7. Well, of course you do. Let's look at this user friendly block of BOLD ALL CAPS RED TEXT that appears on your earthcaches. So friendly! Reminds me of the signs I see on the way to work, except those have less bold, red, and upper case text, despite the fact that they talk about the use of deadly force, not log deletion. In light of the moderator note below, let me clarify my intent. I don't mean this as a personal affront, but as an illustration on how subjective reasonableness is at play here. You have similar approaches to warning of deletion, so you view this as reasonable. I do not, so from my perspective, it is not as reasonable. But unless either of us work for appeals, then ultimately these are just our personal opinions and approaches.
  8. I think it's more of a simplification for purposes of discussion than a presumption. Certainly replacing a damaged container with an identical container on a historically well maintained cache is less of an issue, but it's just a difference in degree. Like most things in geocaching, nothing's black and white even though we love to talk as if they were. Replacing a damaged container is more likely useful, but it can also be a problem if the cache is habitually damaged and the CO never does maintenance. In that case, although replacing the container seems like a nice thing to do, it results in keeping a cache going that really should be scrapped. I do think it's a good example for the people that claim all non-CO maintenance is done by number grubbers. You can sign the log in a damaged container and already claim the find, so the complaint that seeker maintenance is only done for selfish reasons can't be applied when a failing container is replaced with a good one.
  9. Hello,I recently released my first Wherigo. It works well on Android devices but it does not work properly on Iphone.The problem arises in the first zone on a very simple code section.I developed the cartridge with Urwigo, so I'll put the code in a similar format.Context:- Bank = the name of my first zone, on which I defined an action "Search" inactive at the beginning- Lucky Luke = the name of a character in this zone, on which I defined a "Talk" action- StatusZone1 = a numerical type variable initialized to 0 at the beginning of the cartridgeThe code of the action [Lucky Luke].Talk is: If (Compare (StatusZone1 = 0)) Set Bank.Search.Enabled = True ... (Lucky luke's message that is displayed) When Iphone users talk to Lucky Luke, the "Search" action does not appears on the Bank zone.I'm not used to Wherigo programming but a "Set enabled = true" instruction seems something basic. Is it possible that the IPhone app does not manage it.The cartridge works well on Android, so it's not really a programming bug. But there must be somewhere something that works differently on Iphone.Any ideas ?Have a good day,Walkie333
  10. Friendlyness? Sometimes a cacher simply forgets to sent the answers. Or we had the situation that one of the team (let's say me) said he sent the answers and forget to do so and others logged reffering to the answers sent in by frostengel - oups! So why always state the guidelines and make anything a threat? "I will delete your log..." Try to be kind a find a good formulation - than you are on the safe side and others will be happy, too. I have an unknown cache where regularly cachers log though they only have found the empty nano cache which is a red herring at stage one. The puzzle comes afterwards and in the end a tree awaits. So they find a kind of 1.5/1.5 traditional which should be 4.5/4.5 unknown cache - and the rating is correct. I have never deleted the log at once, I always send a message and give them some time to respond. And if nothing happens I still can delete the log - up to now I never had to quote any rules of the guidelines. Some of the cachers respond and apologize (and are interested in the cache and we have a nice talk), others don't react, not before and not after the deletion. Too complicated? Not for me, it does not take soooo much time....
  11. 1) just wait for a week (or so) 2) then remind the cacher via PN or message center that he has to provide the answers; say that it is okay if they'll need time but then they can write one sentence to you about it ("I am on vacation, will do this in three weeks.") so you know what is up; add and excuse in advance that you have to delete the log if you here nothing for the next three days 3) if nothing comes: delete the log I don't think anyone can blame you for doing so and as you already have excused you don't have to take any further action. Sounds laborious but you just use the same E-Mail anytime. If nothing happens after 3) it is okay (for you!) If the cachers answer your message afterwards it is okay - you can talk to each other. If they simply repeat the cache log without telling you anything restart with point 2) once (perhaps using slightly different mail) and if necessary delete it again. Contact Groundspeak if they don't stop found logging without sending any answers. You have sent them three or more messages (perhaps you can use different systems) so I think you are on the right side and no one can blame you haven't tried anything to make the log a regular one. After all what happened the guidelines force you to log the find. I don't think somethink like that will happen very often!? Then it should be no problem. :-)
  12. You seem to think Bundyrumandcoke is complaining, but I see this as just a conversation about some behavior by a reviewer that seems inconsistent or confusing. I'm not sure what your reviewer is doing, but people rarely post DNFs or NMs on powertrails, so there's no reason to expect a reviewer to have any reason to step in. From what I can tell, the reviewer that's changing things in your area is reacting to things in the log, so that's a different kettle of fish. There has been a general tightening up of standards including quicker unilateral action by reviewers, and this might be even more disconcerting when a reviewer with tighter standards steps in and starts acting in an area that has a tradition of looser standards. The best way to find out what's going on and provide feedback is to talk to the reviewer. Maybe he needs some lessons in local standards, or maybe he can give you an update on the newer GS policies. One of the trends I'm seeing is towards more universal standards and ignoring local preferences, and, from what you're saying, that would hit your area particularly hard. Talking it over is the best way to approach issues like that. I'm no expert or anything, but I think in years past, reviewers were more personally involved with the caches, so in many case they weren't just passively ignoring certain problem caches, they were actively protecting them. I think that's fine. What's important is whether people are enjoying a cache, and I consider the rules just something to help us do that. Recently, I think reviewers are becoming more detached from the community for various reasons, although I think shear volume of caches is the main one. I understand that, too. That makes them more likely to react to a cache that's having a little trouble than they might have back when there were fewer caches, many of which were planted by the reviewers' friends. One mantra the guidelines have always stressed is that there's no such thing as precedent in geocaching. Just because you've seen something somewhere else doesn't mean it will be allowed for you.
  13. The rule is there for the benefit of the cache owner. It allows them to delete finds, they believe to be bogus, in which the log was not signed. Other than that it's completely up to the cache owner to decide what's an acceptable find. Talk about geo-litter. I'm probably responsible for a box or two of pens I've lost in the woods over the years.
  14. Yes, ALL those things! Arrgghhh! If you don't know why I said that, look up "International Talk Like a Pirate Day", matey!
  15. What if you liked "Send To GPS", but it's gone? There's an interesting thread here on the GSAK forum, about how you may be able to load a GPS that otherwise doesn't accept "GPX" files directly. "GSAK" can talk to many of the old GPSs. Sorry, I don't have a list of them. The process will be something like, click "GPX File", and send that to GSAK, which in turn sends the cache info to the GPS. Looks like it's not "one click", but maybe it will do. Remember that GSAK is full-fledged Geocaching database software, so you could do pretty much everything, more or less without having to visit the web site.
  16. The maximum distance you can move it on your own is the 0.1 mile/528 feet/161 meter distance mentioned by hzoi. The system will prevent you from moving it farther than that in an "Update coordinates" log. Side note: Don't ever try submitting multiple "Update coordinates" logs in a row to move a cache farther than that, because the reviewers don't like that. Talk to the reviewer to move a cache farther than 0.1 miles/528 feet/161 meters.
  17. Talk about being way too prevalent in major cities - just looking at the map of Boston, it's worse than Waymarking McDonalds.
  18. It seems like that one is all messed up. That's all on the TB Owner. It's his prerogative. The Owner gets to make it as weird as he likes. It may not be all that playable nor remain in play that way. But there's no one stopping him. Probably nobody could talk him out of it, either.
  19. Dear Computer experts, I am a geocache user who enjoys walking and finding a cache every now and then, that is my pleasure. I used to press a button and the Garmin 60CSx would know where to take us to. Now I have to do things with files and move them to places I do not understand. Can someone translate all the GPX computer talk to human speech so I can go for my hike? In other words, how can I easily move the waypoints to my GPS?
  20. Hey, not funny. I am still figuring the website out. If we are able to log in with our Facebook account, then can our Facebook friends view our geocaching activities and stats? I was also wondering if this website has a chatroom. It would be nice to talk to other geocachers.
  21. In addition to the tips you may find in these forums, and the links that @cerberus1 provided, the best thing you can do is to go to an event and talk with other cachers. There is an event, 2nd Annual USU Botanical Center CITO, just 11 miles north of you in 3 1/2 weeks. There will be several very-experienced cachers in attendance, all of whom will be very happy to discuss tips and tricks with you. Some may even offer to take you caching with them. I happen to know the event host. He is a pretty cool guy. By the way, I previously tried to find the cache you DNFed and failed a couple times. After the cache owner checked on it and said it was still there, I was encouraged to try again. I finally found it, thought it was quite clever, and even gave it a favorite point. You will have to read my May 12, 2018, Found it log. That is the best I can offer without giving it away.
  22. I'd prefer a decoy over ant traditional behind an utility pole any day. Talk about a joke that's been told to many times We found many decoys, caches as well as WPs for a multi. One of the latest we found was a birdhouse with a pipe system where you had to push a small ball deeper so at the other end another ball would come out. This had to be repeated many times until the right ball popped out containing half a coordinate. After continuing we finally got to the second half of the coordinate. Another one was also a birdhouse but there was nothing to be found in or near it. We finally lifted the door off to find the log in one of the hinges. The latest we found was an old coffeemaker (all manual) that could be taken apart, we found a "replacement log" (by a PM with 1000's of finds) even though it clearly says on the cachelisting that you have to look carefully for the log and not think it's missing. We found the "real thing" easily. At least decoys offer "something extra" in order not to brainless pick up micros on a guardrail/behind an utility pole every 161m.
  23. I guess that we talk about the Celebrity Hangouts category and that someone posted a new waymark with the text "Unknown" in the Celebrity's Name variable. Have I won something?
  24. What a great day.

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    August 26th started out kinda foggy, but met the better part of Team PBS at 1pm to start our cemetery adventure in Lincolnshire at bearpack8's place. Gave the ladies heads / tails coins to flip  and looked around bearpack8's place. Very cool. It was like being at a secluded resort in the woods in the middle of the city. She has several cache hidden close to home which Im saving for an emergency streak saver.  After some quick hellos to some of B's friends we piled into her SUV and headed to our first ISQ.   ISQ St Mary's Cemetery. Scrlttohra got her 200th find a couple of cache in, and we visited several cemeteries, weaved in and out of the Wisconsin boarder and had a blast.  Noticed a signature on several logs dated for tomorrow and they havent logged in on the cache yet... moral question? Ethical conversation. Does anyone really know what time it is? Does anyone really care? Found a cool lake MI rock share 1000 smiles. ( 2DO need to log on fb). Really enjoyed looking and reading the headstones while walking to an from cache.  Love cemetery hides. Love cemeteries. took a picture of an interesting being we found pointing at two graves. A husband and wife. notice the two finger point on each hand.  Discovered two geocache at the same location TB hotel IL/WI State Line TB Transfer Terminal and TEAM PBS signed the right log! Discovered beautiful flowers and sad children's graves where the parents had been visiting recently with balloons and toys. 

     

    As we headed in the direction of home,  find #17 was What A Mook #3 we saw a string of DNFs and decided to see if TEAM PBS could turn those frowns upside down. We climbed up the little hill to the evergreen tree border where our hunting would begin. The trees boarders condos below and we were immediately spotted by a couple sitting on their patio. The guy approached and I went down to talk to him. " have you ever heard about geocaching?" I asked. He thought I meant Pokemon. As I continued to talk and show my phone we were joined by his girlfriend and exchanged names. "No kidding there is one of those geo things in our back yard? We thought people were posting cameras and watching us?" I gave her a pathtag. "nope I explained,  just trying to sign our name on a piece of paper and log it in."  The muggle lady was instantly intrigued.  "I want to find it" she announced and she started up the hill towrd B & S still hunting in the evergreens. We looked and looked but ground zero was off and our new muggle friend shouted "I FOUND IT!" and she pulls out a pill bottle from underneath a evergreen limb. Her very first goecache. She quickly downloaded the App and logged in her first find. totally hooked for life!  sippi01 best of luck! If you ever wanna go caching - message me !

     

    he team found two more and then ended up at bearpack8's place and jumped in the jeep home. Best day ever... someone else got the GoCache Bug!  great day - and Thanks bearpack8 for driving and making us such a great route today and last week too. Loved your map and the day! Scrlttohra congrats on 200! AND thankful for SUV air-conditioning. on suck a record hot day. Looking forward to our next adventure. 

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  25. Nope. Your eTrex 10 has no internet connection and therefore cannot talk directly with Groundspeak (geocaching.com). Just as you can't search for geocaches without first preloading them by connecting to a computer, you cannot log your finds without connecting to a computer. Your finds are stored as a file called geocache_finds.txt which can be uploaded to the website to form drafts. Then you can submit your drafts as logs. Drafts do sync with the official app, so once your drafts are uploaded, you can do the logging with your phone.
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