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I recently placed a cache in a local Nature Park. I figured it'd get hunted fairly quickly. After two weeks with no logs, I decided to head back there and double check all the coords and clues (it's a multi-cache with 12 locations to hit). While hiking the trails I noticed multiple people with GPS units and papers in their hands I did stop to talk with one of them (Pete). I mentioned I was the cache hider and verifying my data. He commended me on creating an awesome challenge and that this was his 2nd day back to hunt the cache having run out of time the first time. I suggested making it easier but he advised me to leave it just as it is. More challenge makes the find that much more satisfying. Someone did find it yesterday which confirms my data to be correct

Hit the arboratum caches this weekend and really had a good time. The kids and I only picked up 3 ticks between us. Your guys don;t have ticks up here! I'm planning on send the arboratum folks a letter thanking them for allow the geocaches to be placed in their park. I wonder if a number of us shouldn't do the same. That would give them some great positive feedback and perhaps they'd talk caches up to other Parks folks. Met with Liz Austin from the Star on Saturday--she's looking you you Todd and Tracey next!

quote:Originally posted by puzzled:As for showing people interesting places, why not open up a book or talk to friends- you'll find it more effecient, unless of course, you ARE actually interested in the process of exploring rather than in the arrival. Besides the fact that I AM more interested in the exploring than the finding, I've found that geocaching has one enormous advantage over "opening a book or talking to friends." Geocaching is a means of generating NEW friends. In my home area, through means of geocaching, I have made several new friends and gotten to know a bit about them. However, I have yet to meet any of these people in person. Instead, we travel to each other's caches and we talk about what we did/saw through the logbooks and the discussion forums. Through geocaching we are able to show each other places in the city that the others may not have known existed, and based on themes and locations we share a little bit of ourselves that they did not know as well.

Interview between Cape Talk presenter Kieno Kammies and Prof Charles Merry of University of Cape Town on Cape Talk radio (567 AM) in South Africa, May 3 2001 at 1330 GMT+2. www.capetalk.co.za. Duration is 7 minutes 32 seconds. Listen now (mp3). http://www.geocaching.com/media/CapeTalk.mp3 ------------------ Peter Scholtz www.biometrics.co.za

Very easy to read and program, This Magellan GPS 2000 XL is in great shape. Includes owner's manual and Lawrence Letham's fine book "PS Made Easy". Thought I should give fellow Geocachers first crack at it before EBAY. I'm in San Diego if you want to pick it up in person or I'll ship COD. Make me an offer I can't refuse. Since this is a "garage sale"-- I also have two large aquariums, glass with stands,approx. 100 gallons, filters, pumps etc. I don't think I want to ship these, but I have a truck so, talk to me. Jerry 760-471-9339 jerry@elfinforest.net

Bunkerdave I think we could be figthing an uphill battle here.Personnaly,I'd remove all coordinates from the geocaching webpage to all caches!There !! NO MORE PLUNDER .That would be the most efficiant way to protect,secure or stop the plunder of cache !! Agree ?? Know,what good would that do to the game itself ? As we speak,at this very moment,a plunderer is whatching me discusting this issue with you.Now,if we come up with a very good solution to minimize this plundering activity,who's going to know at the same time?You guess it,your friendly plunderer ! Now,an another way to stop him from finding out what we are talking about,is not to talk about it at all.This way here,we cannot educate him on the activaties or solutions we come up.We have to be creative,in our own way,on how to protect our caches,be one step ahead of him and learn to think like him.His intentions,motivations and actions after the fact of plundering.What is he going to do after he did it ? Strike twice or turn tail ? Stike twice or turn tail ?? MadGPS

Bunkerdave I think we could be figthing an uphill battle here.Personnaly,I'd remove all coordinates from the geocaching webpage to all caches!There !! NO MORE PLUNDER .That would be the most efficiant way to protect,secure or stop the plunder of cache !! Agree ?? Know,what good would that do to the game itself ? As we speak,at this very moment,a plunderer is whatching me discusting this issue with you.Now,if we come up with a very good solution to minimize this plundering activity,who's going to know at the same time?You guess it,your friendly plunderer ! Now,an another way to stop him from finding out what we are talking about,is not to talk about it at all.This way here,we cannot educate him on the activaties or solutions we come up.We have to be creative,in our own way,on how to protect our caches,be one step ahead of him and learn to think like him.His intentions,motivations and actions after the fact of plundering.What is he going to do after he did it ? Strike twice or turn tail ? Stike twice or turn tail ?? MadGPS

Rubberstamps? Talk to the letterboxers at their website: letterboxing.org. They skip all the prizes and just use logbooks and rubberstamps. The really good boxers make their own stamps from vinyl erasers, like a Staedtler-MARS, the kind used by artists & architects. To make your own rubberstamp, draw or xerox a suitable design, preferably an image that's somehow related to the geocache location. Then put the paper on the eraser, and rub it with nail polish remover to transfer the image to the eraser. Finally, use an Exacto knife or Speedball linoleum carving tools to remove all the rubber that isn't part of the image. Anton ------------------ Anton Ninno - N2RUD Syracuse, NY 13210

Yeasteday while searching for the Mouse cache in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park (CVNP) between Akron and Cleveland, OH, i ran into a Park Ranger doing the same thing. We had a great talk about the activity, very nice person he was. But to make a long story short...he wanted me to talk to his Superior because "She doesn't know what to think of this activity!" Well, she called me early this morning and things don't look so good as far as geocaching in the CVNP (and in ALL NPs from what she indicated). We had an ope and friendly discussion, and although she was intrigued and interested in this activity, there are rules and regulations that must be abided by...which demands the removal of ALL caches (current and future) on CVNP lands. She said an area has already had some caches removed...an area that holds some of MY caches. I'm going out today to confirm this. I admit there is alot of history in this area with sensitive archeological sites and endangered species, etc. And I see "the other side of the coin" wrt her supervisory point of view. Therefore I regret to say that I am soon going to remove MY geocaches before the NPS does (better me than them!). I hope this removal action will make a good impression to the NPS, also, this is the area I hike all the time and I don't want to create any friction or bad NPS feelings toward geocachers. Buddur

I think it would be cool to meet people that share the same interest as me and talk a little about geocaching.I think we should be cool to each other.Not snobby.definately say hi at least, If you walk right up on somebody else.If I thought I could stay out of their site and not mess up the moment I would wait until the other folks left and then move in.

Just what can I do with the little port on the garmin 12? hook it up to a car adapter, ok I got that one, hook it up to a computer? and do what? there's no graphing software or interface that I can edit points and upload them. What does the pc interface do? Can I talk to other machines?

Have the need to talk to fellow Geocacher's? try this chat room.. http://chat.hotx.com/chat/diggers#start a couple of how-to's type in your Nickname, and hit "update" then enter your text, and hit "send" continue to hit "Update" to get screen refreshes. I know it says treasure hunting, But Its kind of appropriate. Feel free to use it, please dont abuse it. OZ ------------------ Carmen Sandiego is at S 45 45.001 E 150 55.976

hi, i'm a freelance writer doing a story on geocaching in the danbury area for the news-times. i'd like to talk to someone in the vicinity. anybody out there? steve stephenkrcmar@yahoo.com

quote:Originally posted by Falco:I guess what both of you are saying is that he and others except you should not be able to speak freely here. This is the exact opposite of what I've been saying. People should be allowed to post whatever they want, and that includes spoilers in the logs and photos of caches in their web sites. It's Quinnow who has advocated what should and should not be written in logs. Sure, it's only his opinion. It just so happens that I disagree with his opinion. If he gets everyone to conform to his opinion, more power to him. My advice is aimed at what to do in the world as it is. And that's to not read the logs until after you successfully find the cache, unless you don't mind reading a spoiler or two. Once you have found the cache, the logs become much more interesting if everyone is free to write about details that just might spoil it for others. That way, it's win-win for everyone. The new hunters enjoy the unspoiled experience (because they resisted reading the logs first). And the successful hunters get to talk about all the interesting details. And the cache hider gets feedback about all aspects of his cache, not just the ones safe to talk about without spoiling it. What could be better? P.S. I see that your post, Falco, was your first. Welcome to the forums! [This message has been edited by Scout (edited 03 May 2001).]

quote:Originally posted by Falco:I guess what both of you are saying is that he and others except you should not be able to speak freely here. This is the exact opposite of what I've been saying. People should be allowed to post whatever they want, and that includes spoilers in the logs and photos of caches in their web sites. It's Quinnow who has advocated what should and should not be written in logs. Sure, it's only his opinion. It just so happens that I disagree with his opinion. If he gets everyone to conform to his opinion, more power to him. My advice is aimed at what to do in the world as it is. And that's to not read the logs until after you successfully find the cache, unless you don't mind reading a spoiler or two. Once you have found the cache, the logs become much more interesting if everyone is free to write about details that just might spoil it for others. That way, it's win-win for everyone. The new hunters enjoy the unspoiled experience (because they resisted reading the logs first). And the successful hunters get to talk about all the interesting details. And the cache hider gets feedback about all aspects of his cache, not just the ones safe to talk about without spoiling it. What could be better? P.S. I see that your post, Falco, was your first. Welcome to the forums! [This message has been edited by Scout (edited 03 May 2001).]

quote:Originally posted by Quinnow:What you should see is my point of view as to what "I" feel is right and wrong. Telling others that you feel their point of view is "wrong", which is what I infer from your comments on this issue, tends to get people's defenses up. Better if you had just said your personal preference is that people not publish spoilers, but you understand and respect their valid reasons for doing so. I'm afraid we're in an impossible situation. Some people want the logs to serve like movie reviews, to decide if they should hunt this cache or not. Others want the logs to serve like a bar where people gather after the movie to discuss what they all just saw. The logs can't serve both functions. And as I don't believe a bunch of amateur geocachers will ever have the skills of professional movie reviewers, I hold out no hope of keeping spoilers out of the logs, no matter how much we lobby, beg, and scold. Besides, even if we could get everyone to censor what they write, we'd still lose the second function. Where CAN the successful hunters gather and talk about every gory detail without fear of spoiling it for others? The best solution I see is that we encourage people to say what they want in the logs, and encourage hunters to exercise self restraint and not read the logs until after their hunt is over.

quote:Originally posted by Quinnow:What you should see is my point of view as to what "I" feel is right and wrong. Telling others that you feel their point of view is "wrong", which is what I infer from your comments on this issue, tends to get people's defenses up. Better if you had just said your personal preference is that people not publish spoilers, but you understand and respect their valid reasons for doing so. I'm afraid we're in an impossible situation. Some people want the logs to serve like movie reviews, to decide if they should hunt this cache or not. Others want the logs to serve like a bar where people gather after the movie to discuss what they all just saw. The logs can't serve both functions. And as I don't believe a bunch of amateur geocachers will ever have the skills of professional movie reviewers, I hold out no hope of keeping spoilers out of the logs, no matter how much we lobby, beg, and scold. Besides, even if we could get everyone to censor what they write, we'd still lose the second function. Where CAN the successful hunters gather and talk about every gory detail without fear of spoiling it for others? The best solution I see is that we encourage people to say what they want in the logs, and encourage hunters to exercise self restraint and not read the logs until after their hunt is over.

Bickering is a good thing. I personally enjoy it if concerns something I am passionate about. I have become good friends with people simply because we both loved to argue and test each others verbal and intellectual skills. We may never agree on anything, but at least we can talk about it. Sometimes it gets petty, but that is when you can claim the upper hand! LOL

Bickering is a good thing. I personally enjoy it if concerns something I am passionate about. I have become good friends with people simply because we both loved to argue and test each others verbal and intellectual skills. We may never agree on anything, but at least we can talk about it. Sometimes it gets petty, but that is when you can claim the upper hand! LOL

Greetings, Let's talk about electronic compasses and altimeter/barometers. I use a Suunto Vector wristwatch that has a stopwatch, compass and altimeter/barometer. It's built well, and I like it a lot. The Vector is a bit on the bulky side, but not really a problem. At least it's not as big as that silly wristwatch GPS receiver. Now that's what I call a really big watch! I know the Garmin eTrex Vista GPS has a compass and an altimeter/barometer, and there are several non-GPS electronic compasses and altimeters on the market. If you have one of them, let's hear from you. I'd like to hear some opinions and reviews. Anton ------------------ Anton Ninno - N2RUD Syracuse, NY 13210

As of today there are six geocaches in South Africa: Date Listed Cache Name Difficulty/Terrain 4/29/01 Geocache by child & Ana 2/3 4/28/01 "Table Mountain" by Peter Scholtz 2/2 4/21/01 "Cape Agulhas" by Peter Scholtz 1/1 4/16/01 "Jonkershoek" by Peter Scholtz last found 01-May-01 2/1 4/15/01 "Hangklip" by Peter Scholtz last found 01-May-01 1/1 1/18/01 "Sentinel View" by Prof Charles Merry last found 01-May-01 1.5/1.5 Tomorrow there will be an interview with Prof Charles Merry of UCT on Cape Talk radio at 13h00 (567 AM). You can listen to it online at www.capetalk.co.za ------------------ Regards Peter Scholtz www.biometrics.co.za [This message has been edited by Peter Scholtz (edited 02 May 2001).]

Looks like I'll be chatting with Liz Austin from the Star about local geocaching. Anybody have anything they want brought up? Or, contact her by email (her address is in her posting). She's eager to talk with anyone. Just got back from St. Louis where I did a bit of geocaching (along with visiting family). If anyone wants a really great day trip, go to Columbia, Missouri. There are four caches there (I only had time to find two), and the best by far is the Katy Trail 174. What an adventure! Paul Lamble

Greetings, Send an announcement about local activity to the "pennysaver" newspaper in your town, the publication with all the classifieds for people selling cars and holding garage sales, etc. Talk to the managers at stores that sell GPS receivers. Suggest that their support and promotion of geocaching as a sport will help GPS sales. Perhaps the store could put up a bulletin board with GC information, or sponsor a contest, or offer coupons to people who the store's cache. Hold a meeting of local geocachers at a sporting goods store or coffee shop. Put an announcement for it in the newspaper a month in advance, and send it to newpapers and radio stations. I hear the Boy Scouts are getting into GC, so you might contact their local office. Offer to put on demos at BS meetings. Same goes for any local outdoor clubs: climbing, hiking, canoeing, xc-skiing, orienteering, hunting, fishing, Audubon, Sierra, birding, etc., etc. Anton ------------------ Anton Ninno - N2RUD Syracuse, NY 13210 [This message has been edited by Anton (edited 01 May 2001).]

r finding the few available to them. Demand exceeds supply. It's happened in my area because there are only 11 caches total, and they were all planted in the last three weeks (talk about growing!). As more caches appear, the activity will spread out, especially for the new people coming along. Of course, those of us who started earlier will all convene on the next new cache. Oh well, c'est la cache. As usual, the "early adopters" pay a premium for being pioneers. Remember to be polite. Don't trip the first guy to pass you on the trail holding a GPS. After all, he might NOT be a cacher. You don't want to harm civilians - bad PR. Just ask the Navy. Anton ------------------ Anton Ninno - N2RUD Syracuse, NY 13210 [This message has been edited by Anton (edited 01 May 2001).]

Paul, I'll let you talk to the fine lady from the K.C. Star!!! Liz, Thank you for your interest! Ryan, To answer your question about letterboxing: (just now read your message). Hard to explain but here goes...In the 1800's a man left his business card in a bottle in England..years later someone else found it...This turned into a phenomenon where people will hand-make these intricate rubber stamps and hide them--only giving compass directions/vague coordinates (100 paces North from a tree...) and once found you use your personally hand-made rubber stamp to stamp their log and you use theirs (in the cache) to stamp your log...There are actually a few in K.C. Sometimes letterboxing sites and geocaching are combined. Often there is a riddle attached to find the site. The last one I did was in St. Louis called: Scarab! I'm trying to combine these two hunts with another one called Armchair treasuring hunting. To read more look at the "links" section in the geocaching site. Good luck