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*You run a zip code search once a week because your pretty confident that nothing has slipped by you. *All your friend's, family's homes have been zip code searched and plotted and have definite holding patterns for visitation. *You store cache items in your car, home, office, person....hell.. your idea of cache items takes on a whole new light. What started off with junk draw, became dollar store, flea market.. right up to what I don't need or want but someone must. *At Christmas time your stocking stuffers are confused for cache items....and you start looking in your caching bag to stuff the stocking. *You look forward to seeing what kinds of Stuff you get for Christmas that you might not want so that you can offer some cool cache items. Returning??.. what's that? back to the stores?? Forget AbouT IT! *You have more information then the Welcome Wagon when new cachers move to the area *my favorite... Rereading logs...I love reading everyones reaction to the placement and once someone visits I reread the whole page... sheesh.. at least 3 times I'd say.. kinda makes me feel like I was out there again with them but getting a different perspective. **You never talk to your friends about geocaching anymore... yeah I'm there too... for the most part... but when I come up with something cool I tell em about it and update along the way... I'm thinking about hang'n a map at work and flag'n the path of Old Bet's travels....my first travel bug I sent along that's done well in her travels and brought up enough area history that people seem to have somewhat of an interest as to what happens to her. Otherwise I think they think I'm just nuts with my caching obsession

*You run a zip code search once a week because your pretty confident that nothing has slipped by you. *All your friend's, family's homes have been zip code searched and plotted and have definite holding patterns for visitation. *You store cache items in your car, home, office, person....hell.. your idea of cache items takes on a whole new light. What started off with junk draw, became dollar store, flea market.. right up to what I don't need or want but someone must. *At Christmas time your stocking stuffers are confused for cache items....and you start looking in your caching bag to stuff the stocking. *You look forward to seeing what kinds of Stuff you get for Christmas that you might not want so that you can offer some cool cache items. Returning??.. what's that? back to the stores?? Forget AbouT IT! *You have more information then the Welcome Wagon when new cachers move to the area *my favorite... Rereading logs...I love reading everyones reaction to the placement and once someone visits I reread the whole page... sheesh.. at least 3 times I'd say.. kinda makes me feel like I was out there again with them but getting a different perspective. **You never talk to your friends about geocaching anymore... yeah I'm there too... for the most part... but when I come up with something cool I tell em about it and update along the way... I'm thinking about hang'n a map at work and flag'n the path of Old Bet's travels....my first travel bug I sent along that's done well in her travels and brought up enough area history that people seem to have somewhat of an interest as to what happens to her. Otherwise I think they think I'm just nuts with my caching obsession

*You run a zip code search every day at geocaching.com to see if there are any new caches in your area. *You mark/capture the coordinates of all your favorite hangouts, just so you can know their coordinates (not like you'll ever use them or anything). *You look up zip codes of places you go on vacation because you've already found the ones close to home. *You store cache items in your car "just in case." *you no longer talk to your friends about geocaching -- none of them will allow it. *You plan your entire vacation around Geocaching. *Your dog is no longer excited to jump into the car with you. *...or when your caching paraphernalia pile gets bigger than your computer paraphernalia pile. *you spend hours thinking up things for this thread *And of course, when your 5 year old knows how to read your GPS, "Mom, we're 154 feet!" *Your husband catches you in front of the computer at 5am and says "Geez, now you need a morning fix?" and you reply, "No, it's not like that! Really!" ...but it is. *You go to geocaching.com and position your mouse pointer on the link you want - before the page is drawn. *And friends who cant read a GPS display just arent as good of friends anymore... *If you have to bribe your 4 year old with McDonalds in order to get her to go treasure hunting with you! *You plan your vacation around how many caches are in an area. *You check for new caches in your area before you check your e-mail. If you see one, what e-mail? *Your kids wonder where all their stuff went. LMAO...I own every one of these!

AAGH! And I just place my order for some last week...! Talk about bad timing. BG

Magellan 315:no map, good antenna(have one and works under trees no problem) etrex:no map, not as good antenna but will work still under trees (meant for hiking) lowrance:has map (very basic, but there), good antenna I was looking at these three for potential purchase. You will find that lowrance is a marine gps which will work for everything. ie: it has marine points of interest on basemap. highways and major roads too! Magellan and Garmin are much more widely used by people. But whenever I talk to someone about the lowrance they say it is "easy to use, and works great". I think they reatil about 200 USD. Adam

Gizmo dave..Kinda speaks for itself..If you can think it up...We can build it. www.gizmodave.com talk to Ideology, EMBI, Team Chaos, Moun10bike, gnbrotz, or Jeremy

Hey folks, I remember some discussion about this before but I don't remember if there was a resolution. When clicking on the "Topozone" maps (which are in NAD27) it seems to me that the link on the GeoCaching site is transmitting the decimal format coordinates, but in WGS84 format. I clicked on the "convert to NAD27" link, and saw on one of the new caches that this was the case. I then punched in the NAD27 coordinates on the topozone URL, and sure enough the little pointer doohickey moved. I remember there was some talk that the site code may be changed so that on those URLS the reference datum would be converted... whats the status? Am I misunderstanding? If its not already been done, I could write a .dll ASP class could be used by Jeremy to do the conversion.

[rant mode on] Okay, let's cut out the Magellan-bashing in this thread, okay? (I know, it wasn't flamage or anything, but if you want to talk about how much better Garmin is, make another thread, okay?) If you want updated information on firmware, look in the release notes (that's what they're there for). As for not including all this is the manual, if you show me one company that has ever had a complete manual that didn't need user/release notes later, I'll show you something that's not nearly as complex as a GPS receiver. I'd venture to say that they hadn't thought of the direct upload method, so that obviously wouldn't make it in. Anyway, don't mind me, I just get a little miffed when people spend their time itemizing the faults of a system without giving any valuable input. It's not that I don't value the opinions (and I'm not upset with anybody by any means), but let's be productive, okay? [rant mode off]

quote:Originally posted by Alan2:Check with Jeremy who runs the geochaching site to see what he thinks. Alan Talk about timing! Thanks Jeremy. Alan2

The stuff that really works great if you can get it is the film that is put over the instrument cluster faces on new cars. It gives a clear undistorted image and when taken off leaves no residue. You might be able to talk your auto dealer out of some if he is a nice guy.

OK Dave, Dummy Spit is loaded into my GPSR already. However, looking at the logs it might be one to save for the Spring/Summer. I've still to scrape the mud off my boots from Football Stars. Mind you, I can talk, Oddies Delight is in very similar terrain. ------------------ --... ...-- Morseman

OK Dave, Dummy Spit is loaded into my GPSR already. However, looking at the logs it might be one to save for the Spring/Summer. I've still to scrape the mud off my boots from Football Stars. Mind you, I can talk, Oddies Delight is in very similar terrain. ------------------ --... ...-- Morseman

He didn't mow any grass, but he did rake the sand. I mean, was he going for a Zen look? And I am sure it wasn't a sand trap. Raking sand is not a natural look. Oh, and nobody would get fined for picking up litter, so that was obviously not the issue. Now lets talk picnic tables. What if the park has regulations about picnic tables? What if they had to make them extremely bottom heavy (which they do) so they don't flip on kids and end up in a legal situation? What if the wood was treated using some varnishing or stain that was not approved for safety/enviromental purposes? They just can't allow it.

Hmmm. Choose more settings before first map is drawn. OK, I'll try to squeeze this in on my lunch break today. Print/8.5x11, I'll have to think about it (not that complicated, but it interferes with another idea I've been toying with). How about this as a stop gap? I'll put in a button that throws up the current map/image on a page with a white background, no foo-foo graphics, and a table of the markers and their coordinates below it? (IE, more suitable for printing from a browser). I'll also deliver that map at a higher JPEG quality level. Again, I could probably throw that up over lunch. Now, as for the others - I'll make you a deal: Right now, when you pull up a cache on Geocaching.com, and click on the link for a topo map, the marker is off by about a football field. The marker also moves around when you zoom. When you click on an aerial view, the map is generally not centered on the cache (IE, if you zoom in, you are as much as a mile away), with no marker to guide you. When these problems get fixed, I'll give you Wendy's markers. If you can get someone with a Meridian Gold to try the Waypoint Exchange on the website so I can make sure it works with newer Magellan units, I'll give you live weather reports on the Wendy's. (I can't talk any of my friends into buying one just so I can test - cheapskates!) I draw the line at driving directions - though I might consider train and bus schedules... -jjf

Hmmm. Choose more settings before first map is drawn. OK, I'll try to squeeze this in on my lunch break today. Print/8.5x11, I'll have to think about it (not that complicated, but it interferes with another idea I've been toying with). How about this as a stop gap? I'll put in a button that throws up the current map/image on a page with a white background, no foo-foo graphics, and a table of the markers and their coordinates below it? (IE, more suitable for printing from a browser). I'll also deliver that map at a higher JPEG quality level. Again, I could probably throw that up over lunch. Now, as for the others - I'll make you a deal: Right now, when you pull up a cache on Geocaching.com, and click on the link for a topo map, the marker is off by about a football field. The marker also moves around when you zoom. When you click on an aerial view, the map is generally not centered on the cache (IE, if you zoom in, you are as much as a mile away), with no marker to guide you. When these problems get fixed, I'll give you Wendy's markers. If you can get someone with a Meridian Gold to try the Waypoint Exchange on the website so I can make sure it works with newer Magellan units, I'll give you live weather reports on the Wendy's. (I can't talk any of my friends into buying one just so I can test - cheapskates!) I draw the line at driving directions - though I might consider train and bus schedules... -jjf

Hey Jake hazel lip - I bet you were in the Air Farce, weren't you? I'm sorry Marines have a comradery you'll never understand, and I truly am sorry you weren't good enough to be one of us, but anything Marines talk about is appropriate for any discussion. We are the ones who have had to do much with little, so as I see it, we've earned the right to talk about what we want, when we want. And if you don't like it, please let me know - I'd be more than willing to give you my address so you can some over and discuss it.

o go check on them would take anywhere from 4-6 hours or more. So, if someone finds my cache and doesn't log it online, I might not know for a very long time (or at all, if, God forbid, it gets plundered in the meantime). Also, I love keeping up with the logs of caches I've visited. I'll check them all about once a month or so, just to see who's around. I've already found the caches, and I'm not likely to return to most of them (the hard ones I'll go back for), but I keep up with the online logs so that I get to know the cachers around here (so that when we meet, I'll have things to talk about). Anyway, online logs are the candy of geocaching, at least to the more historical of us, so unless you've got a real phobia (which some people do, and I'm okay with that), at least say you were there and make us happy.

o go check on them would take anywhere from 4-6 hours or more. So, if someone finds my cache and doesn't log it online, I might not know for a very long time (or at all, if, God forbid, it gets plundered in the meantime). Also, I love keeping up with the logs of caches I've visited. I'll check them all about once a month or so, just to see who's around. I've already found the caches, and I'm not likely to return to most of them (the hard ones I'll go back for), but I keep up with the online logs so that I get to know the cachers around here (so that when we meet, I'll have things to talk about). Anyway, online logs are the candy of geocaching, at least to the more historical of us, so unless you've got a real phobia (which some people do, and I'm okay with that), at least say you were there and make us happy.

quote:Originally posted by Harry Foster:To the man from S.Plainfield, NJ a couple of questions about the Deer ticks. Do you know how far north the ticks have migrated? There was talk and concern a number of years ago of them working north in to Uppper New York state. Also, what is permethrin and where does one get it. Have not heard of it here.[/url] Permethrin is an insect repellent you treat your clothes with. Most common is an aerosol spray. It's almost totally inefective if applied to the skin, so it must still be used in conjunction with deet. Around here you can find it almost anywhere, from sporting goods stores to pharmacies, supermarkets and all the *-Mart types. Did a quick google search and found a site with pretty good info, if a bit biased. www.permethrin-repellent.com Not sure how far north they have gone. Few years ago I lived in Jackson and that area was one of the worst in the country. I'm sure you could probably find that on google too, I just have to get to work.

Thanks Geoffery and makaio! I will definitely talk to ski patrol before I decide to try it. I'll see what they say.

quote:Originally posted by Seth!:I've posted some geocaching humor on my web site. One is a holiday card and the other is a joke. Both are created by me. - Seth! Seth those are excellent but aren't you dating yourself? Milk boxes have been long gone for many years. Young cachers probably have no idea what they are. I should talk, I can remember horse-drawn milk wagons. Oops, now who is dating himself. Olar

Just like any business you have good and bad people...talk with them and use your own instincts to determine whether you want to do the story...or not... I work as a newsphotographer in a top ten market and pitched a geocaching story..we aired it and it turned out completely positive...Now, thanks to the nice guys with the Georgia Geocachers Association who helped us out, my family and I head out to search for "treasure" (as my 4-year-old calls it)every chance we get.

You're kidding, right? Surely you are not advocating that because we have a few members that might not follow the rules, then no one should Geocache in wilderness areas? If that is what you are advocating, then you should not be in a wilderness area either. No one should. We should stay out of all wilderness or pristine areas altogether, and while we're at it, return all areas that are not now wilderness or pristine to their original state, because that's how they were at one time, right? Let me know when we get around to knocking down the cities and tearing up the highway system just before we all move back overseas where the majority of us came from, I want to reserve my place on the last boat now, why wait for the rush? Please get a life, compromise is how things get done, and there is a LOT of room for compromise in this issue. Just making a blanket statement that geocaching is detrimental to the environment is just as bad as making stereotypical racial statements. It's just unnecessary and simply instigates emotions and feelings that are not helpful to the discussion. For instance, it inspires me to sarcasm... LOL. Lets take "real life" into consideration when we talk about how to minimize impact, not eliminate exposure, to the environment, shall we? ------------------ Single dad looking for, dang, what the heck was I looking for again??? Where's my GPS?

quote:Originally posted by Markwell:Give me an e-mail, and we'll talk. Check his Groundspeak profile. His address is there. ------------------ Greg N39°54.705' W077°33.137' My geocaching page

Give me an e-mail, and we'll talk. I'm in Plainfield, IL - been caching since March. Kelly Markwell MarkLent60544@aol.com