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AMEN!

Something like this or this would be good examples. Oh.. Just a thought.. Those buttons - regardless of who wins - could be very collectible in the future!

Something like this or this would be good examples. Hey! Thanks for the links.. I was wondering where I could get a gew dozen of those! No lie. But do you feel political statements are appropriate?

Me too as long as it was as good as my current GPSr and PDA I currently carry.

Wow.. Great topic! Let's see. 1. Pinecone drilled out with a paper log - no container for log - on lawn and no pine trees in sight 2. Hollowed out twig w/paper logwrapped around a nail - again no container for log 3. Snail shell with strip of paper - container for log - would have been cool if used a blinky 4. Uncammo'd pill bottle under cut grass ON LAWN 5. Unfinished utility blank with gasket and log in baggie but no adhesive for gasket or baggie 6. Empty ball-point pen with no extraction method for tattered log 7. Ok, dis myself here, key holder under a lamp skirt I'm sure there are so many more but these are ones that immediately come to mind.

OffT: I was always under the impression that the height averages were something like 5'10" for males and 5'5" for females. Has something changed? OnT: I think it would be difficult to rate anything that your 'average' cacher doesn't have to climb to reach. I do have to admit though, I try and place most of mine low and away. while on the flip side, I love climbing to reach a cache.

My 60CSx is usually 'dead on' in Cemetaries! (no pun intended.. no, Really!) Don't forget, there is a lot of burried material in cemetaries. Stone, Cement, metal etc... The tombstones and headstones can cause some reflection as will any overgrowth in the form of trees. The only time mine goes wild is when I'm pursuing the ever so ellusive "Urban Cache" in the down town areas of a big city.

It's hard to place a cache in a State or County park in our area without either a day-use pass or annual pass. That's just the price you pay to take advantage of some of the nicest hiking, fishing, caching areas around! And you usually wont have to hide a nano!

This is some of the best advice I've seen today! It's amazing to see the differences between three of us with the same GPSr, Garmin 60CSx's one day out in the open averaging a cache. We each placed our GPSrs (one at a time) at the same place and averaged for a few minutes. We were all close but none were identical. Just get us close, we'll do the rest

How can you get permission to erect a religious symbol on public land?

I'm sorry but if I came across something like this on public land, I would CITO the entire mess. I mean no disrespect for those who have lost a loved one and It's not that I merely find roadside memorials offensive. I feel that unless they are on priivate property, these memorials are litter and probably vandalism. They also usually represent a location where someone was killed or where a body was found. Why invite others to a potentially deadly location? Cemetaries or planned & approved memorials make much better location for memorial caches IMHO. Not so on topic: Other great ways of placing memorials are placing memorial benches, trees, park upgrades etc... along with a memorial plaque. Not by trashing the roadside and possibly creating a distraction in an area already known to be deadly.

VERY COOL!!! I wish we had some like those around here!! Hmmm... Maybe we will

Actually I see you were already there but DNL'd the cache.

"In the more rural areas, a) people are more trusting" Interesting that you would say that. The Team's experience has been the exact opposite. We've been challenged many many more times when out in rural areas around farms and stuff. And trust me, those people are not particularily shy or subtle. I think that one reason for this might be that they personally know everone around for ten miles, what car and trucks that they drive, the last time that they went to the dentist(if ever), what the UPS driver just delivered down the road and so forth. Outsiders scrounging around the ditch banks and the like raise more attention than you might expect. I wonder......if I put on more clothes would that make a difference? I mean criminnie, we drive a freaking Buick, you'd think that would be enough. BTW, you wouldn't mind posting the GC number for that Novato, Ca. cache would you? Sure.. It's GCVZ52

Ya know... The more I think about this the more I realize that this will greatly vary depending on where you live. In the more rural areas, a) people are more trusting and have much more acreage to play with. In the suburban areas, it's probably common to be viewed upon as acting suspicious or even be mistaken for a prowler when looking for a cache on or near private property. In the Metropolitian areas, you may either be looked upon as a being vagrant, a criminal scoping out your next hit or simply just blend in with the crowd. Still, being from the suburbs, I just don't always feel confortable going for a cache on someone's property. Now.. there are exceptions! In Novato CA, there is a fantastic cache which is on private property but you can reach it from the sidewalk. In Florence Oregon, there is another on Private property that you can actually drive up to and reach from your car if your door is open. So.. clearly it really depends on placement and how well the description fits. Also, it REALLY helps if there is a note that the neighbors are all aware of the cache and if any of them are cachers too.

What sort of comments do you typically leave in your DNA's? BTW, The Team calls them DNL, Did Not Look. It vary's and I would have to go back and look at my logs but generally just a note that we just didn't feel right for whatever reason

I just log them in the same order that I find them - IF I can remember the exact order. Sometimes I have to resort to the maps which help me remember the order but the cache as well.

I'm right there between E & F. It wouldn't be necessary if all cache owners were actively maintaining their caches though. Just yesterday, we walked a good mile for an active cache but didn't read the logs. Had we read the logs, we would have known that the last find was several months ago with nothing but DNF's to follow. Had we been aware of this before we took to the trail, we wouldn't have attempted it. What's worse, is when there are no DNF's but the cache hasn't been logged in several months but as soon as someone does post a DNF, you see several posts in the next few days saying something like "Yea, I couldn't find it either back in May" and it's almost September now! Anyway, you get the drift. To NOT read the logs IMHO is asking for trouble.

I've seen quite a few and have grabbed a few - many however just don't seem too appealing or we feel too uncomfortable searching so I may post a DNA or Did Not Attempt because of the placement. Nothing wrong with them but some of us just don't feel right going after them.

By all means - In large bold colored font, dictate that one is not to attempt to access the cache from the railroad property!

You just need to get out more Nemesis!

Thanks for all the great replies everyone! I think I'll just doing what I feel fun. I really like the logs I read on my caches. I think I'll just keep on caching and placing them as long as I can keep up the creativity and maintenance. J..

I'm really not trying to find a baseline here but I would love to have some opinions. I've been looking at stats and all and see that some cachers are really into hiding and some are really into finding. In my area, we have some cachers who have anywhere from a 1:1 to a 1000:1 or even higher F:H ratio. I would imagine that there are some opinions here regarding placing caches. Aside from the obvious, quality v.s. quantity, and avoiding saturation, what do you as a cacher think about this?

The most I've lost was a cheap pair of sun glasses at a cache in Oregon. I did almost leave my cell phone behind once but unfortunately, I remembered just as I got into the car. I just had my daughter call it and we found it ringing right where we sat to peruse the cache.

Personally? I like caching! For me though, it's more fun with someone else. Whether one other or eight, I'm still gonna have fun! For quite some time, we (Team NoBARC) would have a weekly caching outing but we were having so much fun and found so many caches that we don't have anywhere local to go anymore! None the less, we still like to go out as a group. There really is no better way (IMHO) to learn the tricks than to share experiences and see first hand how others think outside the box. In fact, my best day ever was caching with Dadfish. Learned a ton of new tricks and had a blast! The more eyes the better!