ClayJar

If you can afford it, go for a Meridian and enjoy the good life (firmware 3.12, that is). If you can't afford it, go and find a yellow eTrex and buy it, and then start saving for the Meridian. (Given the choice between the two you mentioned, though, go with the Garmin... the Magellan GPS 310 doesn't really count as being a modern Magellan; 315 is the lower limit.)

quote:Originally posted by Markwell:(In my best impersonation of John Cleese on top of a castle wall)... Hahaha! I laugh at your measley 53 posts. And suddenly ClayJar gets the urge to contribute to *every* topic ever posted... tonight. (One down...)

quote:Originally posted by Markwell:(In my best impersonation of John Cleese on top of a castle wall)... Hahaha! I laugh at your measley 53 posts. And suddenly ClayJar gets the urge to contribute to *every* topic ever posted... tonight. (One down...)

So, can we make a new forum and post a new cacher every week? I wanna see whether Markwell or I get the most "Found it!" votes.

So, can we make a new forum and post a new cacher every week? I wanna see whether Markwell or I get the most "Found it!" votes.

I've travelled almost 550 miles for a hydrocache that I considered "close". It was a trip for the express purpose of logging that one cache -- drove there, paddled out, paddled back, drove home -- and I obviously wouldn't do *that* for a cache that wasn't "close", now, would I?

I've travelled almost 550 miles for a hydrocache that I considered "close". It was a trip for the express purpose of logging that one cache -- drove there, paddled out, paddled back, drove home -- and I obviously wouldn't do *that* for a cache that wasn't "close", now, would I?

quote:Originally posted by TeamWSMF:Now, here is another question. Can I flag any data I place here as being in the "public domain" and thus useable by anyone who wants it? The best and most thorough way I can think of is to have your cache info on your own page(s). What is on *your* pages is your business, and you have every right to tell anyone and everyone that they can use your data in any way they want (even reposting it in Klingon, if they want to). If you have the cache's web page link pointing to your pages, there should be no problem when people use your info; they will get it from your site not from geocaching.com.

So, if we take the seriously low-end estimate: quote:1,500,000 trackpoints of storage.(divided by) 2,000 trackpoints per full detail track. (equals) 750 full detail tracks in a 128MB card. Alternately, you can have 64MB of detail maps, an *extremely* large set of waypoints, and one track for every day of an entire year, all without stopping by a PC. How's that for an impressive example. My only question is: Garmin users, is it true that your saved tracks are stored with less-than-full detail, as I have read numerous times here in the past? Just checking.

So, if we take the seriously low-end estimate: quote:1,500,000 trackpoints of storage.(divided by) 2,000 trackpoints per full detail track. (equals) 750 full detail tracks in a 128MB card. Alternately, you can have 64MB of detail maps, an *extremely* large set of waypoints, and one track for every day of an entire year, all without stopping by a PC. How's that for an impressive example. My only question is: Garmin users, is it true that your saved tracks are stored with less-than-full detail, as I have read numerous times here in the past? Just checking.

I was hoping this thread was talking about people like Markwell and I. Oh, well.

I was hoping this thread was talking about people like Markwell and I. Oh, well.

quote:Originally posted by kablooey:Because Frankie has given permission for Joe Bob's reuse of the information and because the information is publically available from the geocaching.com site, it's easily conceivable (to me, at least) that a court could rule that Joe Bob is permitted to retrieve the information directly from geocaching.com. Actually, the fact that the general public can agree to what is, in effect, a license to use the data without cost *does not* place the collection of data in the public domain. This is quite well establised in the paper world: the fact that there exist libraries does not preclude the books in those libraries being protected by copyright law. In the online world, an abundance of analogous cases exist. For example, some software licenses provide for no-cost licenses for non-commercial entities -- licenses that do not apply to commercial entities. If you, as a commercial entity, wish to use the code, you must buy or negotiate your own license. The fact that the code is publically accessible *in no way* precludes the copyright holder from charging for licenses. Reproduction of a copyrighted work is limited to that for that the copyright holder has granted permission. While you could make a case for a fair use exception when you print a personal copy, mining the database for the purposes of posting on a hypothetical "competitor" site does not fall under fair use.

The better basemap of the MeriGold is quite nice when looking for cities along a route or doing other things while zoomed out. Sure, when you're zoomed in, you'll be using the detail maps (and even if you weren't, the basemap isn't that much help for street navigation), but when you're zoomed *out*, the bigger basemap is quite useful, I find. (Plus, who knows if the fact that there is different firmware for the MeriGold|Plat|Mari versus the MeriGreen means that there are going to be new features that won't fit in the smaller memory capacity of the MeriGreen... not saying that *will* be, but since the MeriGold looks so much better, anyway, why chance it. )

The better basemap of the MeriGold is quite nice when looking for cities along a route or doing other things while zoomed out. Sure, when you're zoomed in, you'll be using the detail maps (and even if you weren't, the basemap isn't that much help for street navigation), but when you're zoomed *out*, the bigger basemap is quite useful, I find. (Plus, who knows if the fact that there is different firmware for the MeriGold|Plat|Mari versus the MeriGreen means that there are going to be new features that won't fit in the smaller memory capacity of the MeriGreen... not saying that *will* be, but since the MeriGold looks so much better, anyway, why chance it. )

They could just have a web browser there. When a person comes in, if they login and check for new caches, you can see if they're a charter member. If they don't immediately login and check, they're not really a geocacher anyway.

They could just have a web browser there. When a person comes in, if they login and check for new caches, you can see if they're a charter member. If they don't immediately login and check, they're not really a geocacher anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Alan2:So, can the website claim it or not? If it's my description, can't I use it elsewhere? How can any site claim my cache's description? The relationship between me and the cache site is the site allows me to post my caache info and I allow it to use my cache posting and other contributions on the site. I don't pay but neither does the site pay me. When you submit the data, geocaching.com can use it as they see fit. You have given them permission. They, in turn, give permission to the users of geocaching.com to use the collected data according to the terms on the site. Now, since you wrote it, you have every right to post it on another site. On the other hand, "Joe Bob the Spiteful" (who is completely fictional and is not related to any real people from any of the other sites, even if some hypersensitive person comes by and thinks he is, okay?)... Anyway, if Joe Bob comes along and starts pulling all the cache info from geocaching.com, he is breaking their terms. Okay, now let's say that you get "Frankie the Benevolent" to give you permission to mirror all her caches. In that case, you have permission from her to use what she wrote, however, you do *not* have permission from geocaching.com to mine their database to pull all of her caches to mirror on your site. Just because you have the permission of the person who created the info does not automatically mean you have permission to use geocaching.com to gather it from their database (which *they* have the rights to, as you see in the ownership part of the terms). So, Joe Bob could get all the information from Frankie and have a site with all her caches, but he could not use geocaching.com as the source of the data unless *they* give permission. On the other hand, if geocaching.com became big enough to have a few dozen full-time staffers and they decided to move all the virtuals to virtual-geocaching.com, a spin-off site, they would be able to give their spin-off crew permission to pull all the virtuals from their DB and use them. You gave them permission to do so. Anyway, while I am not a lawyer (and you *absolutely* should consult one if you require sound advice on legal matters), it's not hard to think through IP matters. Just do as I've done: turn off your indignation generators, shut down your religio-socio-political ideals, and shunt all that brain power to your logic processors. Just remember that where the data is gathered from (at the moment) matters too, not just where the data originated from. Well, I guess that'll do for a simple "get acquainted with IP" essay.

quote:Originally posted by Alan2:So, can the website claim it or not? If it's my description, can't I use it elsewhere? How can any site claim my cache's description? The relationship between me and the cache site is the site allows me to post my caache info and I allow it to use my cache posting and other contributions on the site. I don't pay but neither does the site pay me. When you submit the data, geocaching.com can use it as they see fit. You have given them permission. They, in turn, give permission to the users of geocaching.com to use the collected data according to the terms on the site. Now, since you wrote it, you have every right to post it on another site. On the other hand, "Joe Bob the Spiteful" (who is completely fictional and is not related to any real people from any of the other sites, even if some hypersensitive person comes by and thinks he is, okay?)... Anyway, if Joe Bob comes along and starts pulling all the cache info from geocaching.com, he is breaking their terms. Okay, now let's say that you get "Frankie the Benevolent" to give you permission to mirror all her caches. In that case, you have permission from her to use what she wrote, however, you do *not* have permission from geocaching.com to mine their database to pull all of her caches to mirror on your site. Just because you have the permission of the person who created the info does not automatically mean you have permission to use geocaching.com to gather it from their database (which *they* have the rights to, as you see in the ownership part of the terms). So, Joe Bob could get all the information from Frankie and have a site with all her caches, but he could not use geocaching.com as the source of the data unless *they* give permission. On the other hand, if geocaching.com became big enough to have a few dozen full-time staffers and they decided to move all the virtuals to virtual-geocaching.com, a spin-off site, they would be able to give their spin-off crew permission to pull all the virtuals from their DB and use them. You gave them permission to do so. Anyway, while I am not a lawyer (and you *absolutely* should consult one if you require sound advice on legal matters), it's not hard to think through IP matters. Just do as I've done: turn off your indignation generators, shut down your religio-socio-political ideals, and shunt all that brain power to your logic processors. Just remember that where the data is gathered from (at the moment) matters too, not just where the data originated from. Well, I guess that'll do for a simple "get acquainted with IP" essay.

MrG uses Snak on his Mac. mIRC is still quite polite. [This message was edited by ClayJar on May 13, 2002 at 07:30 PM.]

The problem with MMC in Meridians is that they are slightly thinner and they don't latch in like SD cards. Put those together in something like a Meridian and you get all sorts of flaky behavior (card dropping out, lockups, etc). The fact that SD cards have a much higher transfer rate would probably be a factor if it weren't for the fact that physical design specs make MMC not work, anyway.

The chat applet on http://gcchat.clayjar.com/ is a Java applet.

If you want to stay on theme, you'll have to maintain your cache. I took a 5-hour trip to swap out a non-theme trade for something on-theme. If you'll do that, you can keep on-theme, otherwise, best of luck to you.

FYI: Someone was using Netscape 4.7x on Windows 95 and successfully using the Java chat, and I tried it out using Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1 with the latest Java from Sun. So, Netscape works, and if you have any problems, I can try to help.

quote:Originally posted by peter:The times are recorded based on UTM, Um, not to be nit-picky or anything, but before any neocachers get confused, that was UTC, not UTM for time, right? "Universal Coordinated Time" references time, as opposed to "Universal Transverse Mercator", which references position. (Of course, knowing the standard nit-picking style, I've probably made a mistake somewhere in this post, eh? )