RangerDoc

Now all we have to do is make it mandatory. All unknowns should have some way of verifying correct solutions instead of wasting cachers time. Geocaches were meant to be found by Geocachers.

Not sure where or how I came across it but I can't find it again. It was a page in the Help Center format that had the guidelines for every state broken down by park. Does any one have the link? Thanks

While it's certainly possible that someone with 960 finds in a single day did it from their armchair, I think the point that many people are making is that it's also certainly possible to rack up those kinds of numbers while visiting every cache along certain power trails. The counter point that many others are making is that visiting is a term that is being applied very loosely to "number runs" due to non-standard caching methods. Practices like signing for a group of people and including members of the group who are not physically present at the cache site and removing a log from one cache and placing it in another (or removing the entire cache and swapping it with another). RangerDoc is either bumping the thread or making comment about how some of the practices that some number runners employ is not much different than armchair caching. +1 It's not possible for one person to find a cache every 90 seconds and continue at that pace until they find 960 legitimate (standard caching method) finds in a single day. Wasn't trying to bump, sorry. Was just putting another viable option out there as far as how it was possible some folks are running their #'s up. "(or removing the entire cache and swapping it with another)" I have actually seen cache pages where the CO recommends this practice for their particular power trails. http://coord.info/GC46JZ5 "•You are welcome to sign ahead and switch out the containers."

OR Armchair Cacher?

Not all reviewers are created equal either. I have come across caches in one area clearly circumventing some guidelines that get shot down in other areas. Probably because some reviewers have different interpretations of the term "guideline". I ran into an issue with a cache placement that I had attached to a post which I had placed. Reviewers issues: "Geocaches are never buried, neither partially nor completely. If one has to dig or create a hole in the ground when placing or finding a geocache, it is not allowed." I argued that the post could have already been there and I cited a couple Geocaches that belonged to and were an integral part of a cacher voted/selected as Geocacher of the month by Groundspeak that were placed in the same manner and after he discussed with reviewer peers he agreed publish if I placed a disclaimer of how and the manner in which my cache was secured. I then proceeded to ask said Geocacher of the month how he dealt with this and a particular "commercial" issue concerning one his caches and this was his reply (and a rather good one I must admit): "The walk with the reviewer is a fine one. I have found it is much better to keep the cache page and description as basic as possible until it is published and then make any necessary changes after publication." Great advice and works like a charm. That being said; the "guidelines" are exactly that. Guidelines. Not embraced law. When this thing first started there were basic geocaches and it evolved into virtuals, webcams, nanos, etc. (hmmmmm where is that "Nano" choice on the cache placement form?) It is a constantly evolving sport limited only by cachers imaginations as far as construction, design, camouflage, etc. If there is not some room for latitude then geocaching like anything else will become stagnant and boring. I'll close with this particular cache as an example: http://coord.info/GC3NE22 RLTW!!!!

Guideline states "7.Physical elements of different geocaches should be at least 0.10 miles (528 ft or 161 m) apart." Should and "Must" or "are required to be" are two different animals and the reviewers should provide a little latitude. I understand the caches can't be right on top of another but if I have a minor league baseball stadium, 2 10ft brick walls and 3 chain link fences separating mine from another 50ft should be flexible.

Guideline states "7.Physical elements of different geocaches should be at least 0.10 miles (528 ft or 161 m) apart." Should and "Must" or "are required to be" are two different animals and the reviewers should provide a little latitude. I understand the caches can't be right on top of another but if I have a minor league baseball stadium, 2 10ft brick walls and 3 chain link fences separating mine from another 50ft should be flexible.