I certainly don't want to come across as poo-pooing the difficulty of Wounded Knee. It certainly was an adrenaline rush, after battling a fear of heights, getting onto the ledge and over the gap to the pinnacle. I applaude you for the location and the view. The only reason I suggested the 3.5 is that in my review of all forum entries, I believe I saw a discussion that recommended a 5 for terrain if you need to use some type of equipment (ropes for climbing, sand ladders, etc.) to reach the site. The route to the parking area is accessible by 2WD. The walk to the second pool is a nice, easy trek. The trip up the slope requires a moderate amount of fitness and although tricky, is no more dangerous, on the whole, than Hangover, which is a 2/2. I also agree that the step to the pinnacle is mentally challenging, but requires nothing more than some will power. In order to level the playing field and teach us newbies the fundamentals, then let's develop a Saudi-Cache standard for difficulty and terrain, and publish it in the forum. Have it cover the major points that make the levels what they are, and allow them to be discussed and altered in the forum. I recommend that Mr. Stabler and/or M&Ms take the lead on this due to experience. I am very willing to support whatever is published, as Battlebugs and I have our own plans to place caches while we are here. Thank you all for placing these caches in great sites. Help train the rest of us to follow suit and take the experience with us.