TrailGators

Thank you bittsen. Now I know what I can do with all those nanos I find.

INCORRECT! Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on. You are confusing cost and value... As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying.... You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them. I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them.... Nobody? Everybody? Really? How can you know that? Because I don't see endless threads bitching about them...

Maybe flask already got to it...

INCORRECT! Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on. You are confusing cost and value... As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying.... You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them. I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

INCORRECT! Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on. You are confusing cost and value... As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

Nice post. However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress. So people need to be tolerant of others' intolerance and work with them. If you push people they will only dig in deeper. That's human nature... "However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress." Nice catch phrase. Unfortunately for those so inclined, it all too often provides a place to find comfort and cover in their prejudices and/or bigotry. I can't say for sure how TrailGators intended their post, but in reading it - I was reminded to look to my own heart and/or soul and consider how the word tolerance related to me and the people I come in contact with. You can't control the behavior of others. You can only control your own behavior and the way that you REACT to others and - most importantly - lead by example. I certainly didn't mean to hold on to your prejudices. In fact, I meant the opposite. People should try to move towards better understanding and trying to get rid of them. In my view, it's one of the reasons we are down here. However, it requires a two-way street to make it happen. So when people get pestered or badgered they are far less likely to change. Also when people constantly whine they are less likely to be heard.

Nice post. However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress. So people need to be tolerant of others' intolerance and work with them. If you push people they will only dig in deeper. That's human nature...

My vote would also be micro. My interpretation of what Jester described would have the rock considered as just camo, while the cache itself was the film can glued to it. A friend of mine described a most challenging cache, which was a blinkie, painted to match, and hidden, on an Army tank. From what he described, there was no angle where you could see the blinkie. Rather, you had to check out the whole tank by feel, till you located it. It was labeled as a "Micro". While I agree it's a micro, there is the crowd that says different sizes are searched for differently. So if you are looking for regular size camo hiding a micro container, wouldn't you search differently than if you were looking for micro? Edit to add a thought: I was using this as an example of "Other" where the description would/could make it clearer what you were looking for. I would call that a micro based on how much room their isn't to hide swag. However, that is a good example of how "other" size category was probably intended to be used.

As long as each stage is fun there is no limit. It took me 2.5 days to complete a really fun and creative one once.

No doubt! If you go to a nudist park for visual stimulation you'd better carry some bleach for your eyes! Fortunately ogling people isn't what it's about. I went to our special beach once to find a couple of caches with some friends. It's funny how you go there imagining Bay Watch and instead you get _ay Watch. P.S. No offense intended. Oh yeah, you haven't lived till you've had the nude 400-lb cook at Gymno-Vita drip sweat off of her droopy bits while cooking your morning omelet, or played volleyball with a bunch of 50-somethings who all suffer from Dunlap's (their belly Dunlapped over their um, belt). Yes, there are some very attractive people there, but if people-watching is your thing you'll see much better looking people elsewhere. Oddly enough most of the nudists I know find people sexier with some clothes on! Now, what was the topic here? Dunlaps!

I found a very nice item that I like in a geocache. Should I not trade for that too because the next visitor might appreciate that? The only people who "appreciate" religious tracts in geocaches (or anywhere else) are those who have the least need for it. Remember the Hari Krishnas? They would approach you at airports trying to convert you in the 70s. They were like live religious tracts, but they never bothered me either. To me they are just different color crayons in a very big box of crayons. Nobody is going to convince me that one color is better than another.

Now wait just a dadgum minute! Are y'all saying I have to allow Hot Wheels cars in caches? I don't like Hot Wheels cars. I stepped on one one time and it hurt my foot and I just don't wanna see 'em in geocaches. think of the chinldren liming around on sore feet from stepping on these things. It's child abuse, that's what it is, and I find it offensive that people would allow chinldren to be hurt like this, even if Groundspeak hates them. Save the chinldren, ban Hot Wheels from geocaches now! No yams either!

No doubt! If you go to a nudist park for visual stimulation you'd better carry some bleach for your eyes! Fortunately ogling people isn't what it's about. I went to our special beach once to find a couple of caches with some friends. It's funny how you go there imagining Bay Watch and instead you get _ay Watch. P.S. No offense intended.

up until the point where they criticize "textiles" as being inferior, i have no objection. When you see some of them you quickly realize just how important textiles really are....

IMHO if they could all act like this and stop the parades, etc. they would get a heck of lot more support from society. The flamboyant ones hurt their cause far more than they help it. I support civil unions and rights, but don't push me further than that unless you want to act no better than the religious tract people pushing their beliefs on others.

We wouldn't need support literature because we have already have a nude beach. But if it were there I'd crumple it up and dispose of it. Would you do the same for religious tracts? If they were the hateful hell and damnation type, then yes. If they were peaceful, then I'd leave them for someone who might be interested in them.

We wouldn't need support literature because we have already have a nude beach. But if it were there I'd crumple it up and dispose of it.

So what do you suggest should be done besides asking people to please remove these items from caches when they see them? P.S. There is a subset of every single group on this planet that have issues. So it really annoys me when people make sweeping generalizations about an entire group based on the actions of a tiny minority within that group.

many people need not be harmed by a thing in order for it to be harmful. if the discussion is about whether these things are acceptable in a recreational activity among a diverse population, i'm not sure why there needs to be a huge epidemic of these things in order for us to say nope, not appropriate. there need not be any huge mass response or making of rules, but it certainly won't hurt for people to practice a little forbearance. of all inappropriate things left in caches, anything designed to promote hate or to make other people feel bad rises to the top of my list of things i don't want to see. remember the debate about pocket knives in caches? that wasn't a crisis, either. most of us saw pocket knives as being handy as tools and jim-dandy as cache swag. some people (a small number of landowners in particular) thought they weren't appropriate; kids might get them, convicts might get them, someone could get hurt, blah, blah. enough people thought they were a bad idea that we made it common practice as a community not to leave them. some people still leave them, but as a group we do not encourage it. likewise with tracts: enough people are bothered by them that perhaps we might just make it a common courtesy to leave these things out of our caching kit? is there any good reason for leaving something that you KNOW is going to step on somebody's toes? i mean, not just a thing that some people wouldn't want to take, like a golf ball or a mctoy. these things are actually and actively offensive to some people. a tract that tells any group of people they're hellbound is clearly designed to be unkind and offensive to some people and while you may believe that certain classes of people deserve to be offended and treated unkindly i am still going to have to maintain that a cache isn't the proper venue for it. your st. cristopher medal, you ganesh figurine, your silver pentacle, your little book of psalms, your recording of verses of the koran, all of these are fine with me. i draw the line at the point where objects in caches are used to declare one set of people to be not as good as others, or to deliver moral and spiritual instruction where none has been asked for. i do not want to see trade items or cache logs that criticize or condemn other people's lives. it really is that simple. I don't disagree with you. I just think there's nothing we can effectively do to stop it from happening in the real world. People have been pushing personal agendas since the beginning of time. So I just ignore it. It is really that simple.

INVITATION? You got an invitation? (checks her email) Hmmm, I'm sure it's in there somewhere. (checks her email, again) Ohhh dear ... Is this some kind of a VIRTUAL MULTI PUZZLE INVITATION and I'm s'posed ta FIND IT, solve it, get the coords, and hope I did it right? WOAH! I SURE HOPE THERE'S A COORD CHECKER? Barrie, I'm so sorry that Kwvers didn't invite you. I have no idea what their social criteria is for the event. Gosh, from my point of view you're an o.k. gal, especially when crawling around through bushes and into deep ditches. Are you shore that you should be livin' in south county? Y'all seem more like an east-county gal t' me. One thang f'r shore, any ol' gal that crawls around in th' dirt, drives a big ol' yaller school bus, and bakes delicious PUD cake and cinnamon buns should be livin' in one of th' redneck tri-cities. Looks like crashin' the Szar Fôyô event party is your only option. You know how it is for Geocachers that are closin' in on twenty-thousand finds, they start bein' p'ticular 'bout who (whom?) they hang around with. By th' way, with this ugly turn of events y' might be smart t' verify yore invitation for a place to stay during th' camp- out event. Y' can't be too careful when thangs turn ugly like this. With te'rs in m' eyes f'r you, Harmon Gosh, we checked our email, too, and NO invitation for us either! Hey, Harmon, can you cry a tear for us, too, please? At one time people used to post a date, time, meeting coords and a cache map for these caching events. I guess those days are long gone....

Call me weird but I don't like 'em... Sorry, but personal attacks, even those that are self requested, are against the forum guidelines. Hey, my folks forced me to eat yams when I was little. I would have rather found a hell and damnation tract in a cache than eat those yams. I'm just glad that we aren't allowed to put yams in caches. Now that would be a huge mess!

nope, not rare. I've seen zero "hateful" tracts in 2000+ caches. So it is rare to me. What percentage of caches have you have found "hateful" tracts in? oh, goodness! i don't even keep track of how many firstfinds i have! i should be able to produce a statistic on how many caches i have found hateful literature in? it isn't exactly an epidemic, but neither would i call it rare. If it makes it easier you can subtract out all the nanos, micros and most of the smalls that you have found. If other people have/have not commonly seen "hateful" religious tracts in caches please chime in. We can do a mini survey to see how big this issue is...

nope, not rare. I've seen zero "hateful" tracts in 2000+ caches. So it is rare to me. What percentage of caches have you have found "hateful" tracts in?

Call me weird but I don't like 'em...

Ironically most religions teach people to forgive, so they don't continue the hate cycle. You can see it in this thread. A small seed of hate was planted and is being allowed to grow. So if we all just agreed to dispose of hateful items that we find in caches and moved on, that small amount of hate would die the quickest death.