Ttepee

Good work RGS. You should log this cache now http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=14067 with the details of how you made it work. I've worked with a couple of parks management people here in NY. One was at a National Historic site with Nature Preserve behind it (Samuel Morse's house) and another few through an organization called Scenic Hudson that has great parks along the Hudson river. At present I am working with NYS parks...well I've given them the info and need to set up the meeting with them yet. If that works out a huge chunk of land will be open for caching in my immediate area. I'll post a log to that cache if and when that is accomplished. I think that this cache should be publicized more to show that getting permissions can be part of the game. Thinking of the parks people as our enemy is going to get us nowhere fast. It's bad enough worrying about caches being plundered... having the parks people picking them up should not be part of our worries. Good Luck to you... hope you get a great response from all your hard work! Ttepe

Eoghan, Try this out http://ww2.co.jefferson.co.us/ext/dpt/comm_res/openspac/rules.htm

Congratulations StayFloopy... may your next 500 be as much fun

Congratulations StayFloopy... may your next 500 be as much fun

It sounds like your cache has not been approved yet. The little maps on top have been having problems lately...so long as the big map is right everything should be ok. The other thing you need to look at when you do a zipcode search is look at the very bottom of the page...when you do a zip search while logged in any caches that you have found or placed will show up in a seperate category. Good Luck.

They need to know. That's all there is to it. The communication gap is their worry, just as it is our's. The responsible cacher that reads the forums and tries to stay on top of things is not the type any of us worries about. But the forums can atest to these worries popping up everywhere. In order to be a responsible geocacher communication is the key. OK You are the search engine... but... look what that industry has learned...everyone can search... but how can you do it right. I've recently come upon two milestones in my permissions phase of the game. First I have permission from one landowner management and plant my cache... a couple of weeks later another group plants a cache within the same park lands after finding mine as their first find. Do I approach the cache owner and just nonchalantly ask them if they want the contact info to make it legit... or am assuming too much...they are a hiking group that regularly does group hikes up on this ridge. Do they already know the land manager or did they find out about it from him or the caretakers that gave me the managers email addie? Then too I'd like to ask the manager if I can share his addie with other's that might want to contact him... make it public in the forums or something... but I don't want to become a snoop and insider...before I know it you'll be calling me ranger The other milestone is asking for permission in a park that you know already has an existing one. I don't want to spotlight this cache if it's not gone through the channels. This is a state park not more than 10 miles from my home. I've planted 12 caches so far but the only cache I've planted there has been a traveler that didn't hang for more than a few days. I've been in the works exploring and planning there. In the fall I had gotten close to having a plan in the park and one day after hiking stopped at the parks ranger station, somewhat confused by all the flashing lights up the street, to ask permission. It turns out the day I was going to ask for permission they were pulling the body of a hiker out of the woods that disappeared a month previous while nighttime hiking alone...fell in a mineshaft that are scattered throughout this park... more details to it than that but I won't go into it now. I didn't think it was the time for asking for permissions for a new and on the edge kinda sport. That was in the fall and now it's spring so I was getting closer...decided it was time and printed up a letter.. the geocaching faq.. and a few cache pages of management cooperative caches I've placed. Printed this stuff all up and got waylaid on the day I was going to stop... a week went by and wouldn't you know it someone placed one in the area I'd been exploring...the first cache in the park. Great cache and did the area more justice than I had found to give it. This park is 10,050 acres... there's plenty of other spots... but do I give away the other cacher if they've not sought permission. I'm kinda wierd on the whole thing now, though I do know that I don't want the parks people to consider me the enemy.....where am I being responsible and when does it become butting in? Do I contact the cachers first and warn them I'm about to turn them in or do I give them the chance to step up if that's their choice? seems like extorsion. I've gotta get the communication in gear here again and I'm not quite sure what came first... the chicken or the egg? As I said around here geocaching is a brand new thing for these parks personel so in that way I consider myself lucky to have the opportunity to precede bad experiences. Communication is what makes this game work. We've gotta learn to communicate more clearly all the way around....any words of wisdom?

They need to know. That's all there is to it. The communication gap is their worry, just as it is our's. The responsible cacher that reads the forums and tries to stay on top of things is not the type any of us worries about. But the forums can atest to these worries popping up everywhere. In order to be a responsible geocacher communication is the key. OK You are the search engine... but... look what that industry has learned...everyone can search... but how can you do it right. I've recently come upon two milestones in my permissions phase of the game. First I have permission from one landowner management and plant my cache... a couple of weeks later another group plants a cache within the same park lands after finding mine as their first find. Do I approach the cache owner and just nonchalantly ask them if they want the contact info to make it legit... or am assuming too much...they are a hiking group that regularly does group hikes up on this ridge. Do they already know the land manager or did they find out about it from him or the caretakers that gave me the managers email addie? Then too I'd like to ask the manager if I can share his addie with other's that might want to contact him... make it public in the forums or something... but I don't want to become a snoop and insider...before I know it you'll be calling me ranger The other milestone is asking for permission in a park that you know already has an existing one. I don't want to spotlight this cache if it's not gone through the channels. This is a state park not more than 10 miles from my home. I've planted 12 caches so far but the only cache I've planted there has been a traveler that didn't hang for more than a few days. I've been in the works exploring and planning there. In the fall I had gotten close to having a plan in the park and one day after hiking stopped at the parks ranger station, somewhat confused by all the flashing lights up the street, to ask permission. It turns out the day I was going to ask for permission they were pulling the body of a hiker out of the woods that disappeared a month previous while nighttime hiking alone...fell in a mineshaft that are scattered throughout this park... more details to it than that but I won't go into it now. I didn't think it was the time for asking for permissions for a new and on the edge kinda sport. That was in the fall and now it's spring so I was getting closer...decided it was time and printed up a letter.. the geocaching faq.. and a few cache pages of management cooperative caches I've placed. Printed this stuff all up and got waylaid on the day I was going to stop... a week went by and wouldn't you know it someone placed one in the area I'd been exploring...the first cache in the park. Great cache and did the area more justice than I had found to give it. This park is 10,050 acres... there's plenty of other spots... but do I give away the other cacher if they've not sought permission. I'm kinda wierd on the whole thing now, though I do know that I don't want the parks people to consider me the enemy.....where am I being responsible and when does it become butting in? Do I contact the cachers first and warn them I'm about to turn them in or do I give them the chance to step up if that's their choice? seems like extorsion. I've gotta get the communication in gear here again and I'm not quite sure what came first... the chicken or the egg? As I said around here geocaching is a brand new thing for these parks personel so in that way I consider myself lucky to have the opportunity to precede bad experiences. Communication is what makes this game work. We've gotta learn to communicate more clearly all the way around....any words of wisdom?

Jeepster... sounds like a great travel bug goal I might just have to give that one a try too if it's ok with you No way a TB can out travel me ...I like it ..I like it!

Jeepster... sounds like a great travel bug goal I might just have to give that one a try too if it's ok with you No way a TB can out travel me ...I like it ..I like it!

Crusso.. Hey sounds cool... go for it... doesn't sound like anything commercial to me.

Warm Fuzzies... Ahhhh ok I should have followed the link further before posting it... I pasted too quick I guess ;-) Here is the text that is supposed to be with the picture if anyone else hasn't made it back through the link "This is what the United States of America looks like at night! Can you find your favorite US city on this image? Surprisingly, city lights make this task quite possible. The above picture is actually a composite of over 200 images made by satellites orbiting the Earth. Scans were made by the USAF Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) Operational Linescan System. The DMSP satellites continue to help in the understanding and prediction of weather phenomena as well as provide key information about population patterns, city light levels, and even rural forest fires. "

Warm Fuzzies... Ahhhh ok I should have followed the link further before posting it... I pasted too quick I guess ;-) Here is the text that is supposed to be with the picture if anyone else hasn't made it back through the link "This is what the United States of America looks like at night! Can you find your favorite US city on this image? Surprisingly, city lights make this task quite possible. The above picture is actually a composite of over 200 images made by satellites orbiting the Earth. Scans were made by the USAF Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) Operational Linescan System. The DMSP satellites continue to help in the understanding and prediction of weather phenomena as well as provide key information about population patterns, city light levels, and even rural forest fires. "

I recently got this forwarded email witht he text below and link to this picture thought there might be some of you out there that would think it was cool too http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg "The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station. It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris,Stockholm and Vienna. Check out the population of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab countries. Note the Nile River. After the Nile, the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of Japan. What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmospheric conditions."

I recently got this forwarded email witht he text below and link to this picture thought there might be some of you out there that would think it was cool too http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg "The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station. It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris,Stockholm and Vienna. Check out the population of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab countries. Note the Nile River. After the Nile, the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of Japan. What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmospheric conditions."

Is there anyway in the scheme of things to plan on a couple of photo galleries. With only 100 photos to view it's a shame to see mostly the photos of the locationless caches that require photos. They are interesting in their own right but it really limits the amount of the scenery and hunt shots that you get to see in the gallery anymore. Either seperate them or give us back somemore space there and let us see more than 100. Please

Is there anyway in the scheme of things to plan on a couple of photo galleries. With only 100 photos to view it's a shame to see mostly the photos of the locationless caches that require photos. They are interesting in their own right but it really limits the amount of the scenery and hunt shots that you get to see in the gallery anymore. Either seperate them or give us back somemore space there and let us see more than 100. Please

Crusso The miles will start adding up once BassoonPilot hides it again. There is a minimum mileage before it starts tracking my guess would be that StayFloopy's placement was under the mileage tracking limit. Good Luck

Crusso The miles will start adding up once BassoonPilot hides it again. There is a minimum mileage before it starts tracking my guess would be that StayFloopy's placement was under the mileage tracking limit. Good Luck

Not all cachers read the forums though so you really won't know for sure till you post an event cache for it and see what kind of response you get. Not much help...sorry.

I put a geocaching lable on mine. Most of my caches are hidden in cooperation with the parks and they also appreciate the critter/weatherproofness of ammo cans. So long as there are no surprises the parks people have been very cooperative even here in NY an hour from the city.

Brian, You can also pay for parking and hike the Mohonk house grounds... but like I said it gets pricey... last time I went was a couple of years ago and it was like $40 for a family of 4 to hike... with all the new great places I've been finding to hike I don't know that I'll lay out that kind of money for it anymore...but if you've never done it before it's definitely worthwhile! I've heard about the brunch thing too and think that would be the way I'd do it next time... at least get some food in the deal. This would be an awesome place for a wedding ...I know a few people that have been married there but I've never been there for it. They also run some great theme weekends... gardening, ballroom dancing, golf..all kinds of different things.. that make great gifts for parents big anniversary's or something

Brian, You can also pay for parking and hike the Mohonk house grounds... but like I said it gets pricey... last time I went was a couple of years ago and it was like $40 for a family of 4 to hike... with all the new great places I've been finding to hike I don't know that I'll lay out that kind of money for it anymore...but if you've never done it before it's definitely worthwhile! I've heard about the brunch thing too and think that would be the way I'd do it next time... at least get some food in the deal. This would be an awesome place for a wedding ...I know a few people that have been married there but I've never been there for it. They also run some great theme weekends... gardening, ballroom dancing, golf..all kinds of different things.. that make great gifts for parents big anniversary's or something

Ammo cans are definitely the best for the long haul. I replaced all my rubbermaid long ago as it requires too much maintenance. I have only seen minimal rust on an ammo can and that only cosmetic. I've seen year+ cans out there that are holding up like a charm. I wouldn't worry about it anymore... leave the rubbermaid in the fridge and let the big boys take care of the caches ;-)

Bldbabe.. That wouldn't be the Labrynth Trail going through the Lemon Squeeze would it? That's my favorite trail! I would love to hide a cache up there but it get's pretty pricey bringing a family in there to hike... not sure how many cachers would go for it. The views up there are spectacular though...and you can't beat the Mohonk House from above

Bldbabe.. That wouldn't be the Labrynth Trail going through the Lemon Squeeze would it? That's my favorite trail! I would love to hide a cache up there but it get's pretty pricey bringing a family in there to hike... not sure how many cachers would go for it. The views up there are spectacular though...and you can't beat the Mohonk House from above