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Well at least we both understand the fact that your arguments are fallacious, and the only possible way for you to escape the matter, reputation un-scathed, is by merely leaving the debate. As far as I implore you to show me any "poor" arguments I have made. Being as many of them come from a well-backed five year reputation of structured Policy and LD debate experience. As for mtbikernate, I have been mountain biking since the age of 12. Growing up in Utah, I had many opportunities to bike in moab, and completed slickrock, no-dab, at 14. Unfortunately, I have since sold my gear to fund bills and other such necessities. However, I have tried to keep up with the culture as much as possible. So you can imagine my confusion when someone such as yourself mistakes the Czech Republic for their neighbor, Slovakia! At any rate, this thread may be closed, as the majority or responders seem to be harshly mistreating the theory of the post as an attack on the community.

Unfortunately Psycho Urban Cache series is for paid users. Otherwise I would love to check them out! They sound great! and if I were able to see and say weather or not they ware waht I think they are, I could possibly dismiss my idea based on that. EDIT: It appears both caches are premium only.

I would like to point out that extremecaching.com was a two page website.. Recipe for a flop right there.. and extremegeocaching.com was a website for a movie about geocaching.

haha, While my web design experience is minimal, I've been a programmer for four years, and I can tell you that the only think stopping me from this is equipment costs! lol, that and the fact that that road has been worn down to a ravine by reality TV

haha, very well then.

Ah, I understand. Well, when caches like that show up within 25 miles of 8520X zip codes, I'll have at 'em! Until then, I think the rules are rather limiting to people such as myself. Further, this site is becoming more and more exclusive for members, and I frown on that as well. Although I do understand the need for funding.

Sorry, I have none based on your OP example. I just can't think how it does anyone any good to encourage others to disregard posted rules or ordinances. As others have said, regardless of what website you list caches like this, they are likely to have a negative affect on all. So unless your objective is to provide fuel for land managers and property owners to decide to forbid caching of any type, I'd ask you to reconsider. Now if this is just a case of a very bad example and you were thinking about different extreme challenges that do NOT involve breaking laws, posted rules, etc. Give us an example of that. I'd be more receptive to an example of that nature - urban or not. Certainly an acceptable request. I can see my original example may be a bit blatant, but it was merely to illustrate my point. a more practical and typical example would be a cache hidden in a place of retail, say a magnetic box under a clothes rack or something similar. As far as an example that doesn't go against the posting rules, I can't give you that.. That's what seperates this idea from Groundspeak.

Now if only I could find a way to combine parkour, UrbEx, and caching.. lol. Fantastic! Understandable, I can certainly change the name to Urban Treasure Hunt, or whatever, it's in the air.

Well yes, I am biased to the idea myself, that's true. However I am not fishing for approval, I just abhor "It's stoopid..." posts that don't have any details to support. And may ask further questions pressing against a posters belief on the issue, but only to show them the other side of the argument and see if they think differently, or I ask out of general interest. I believe I am being rather hospitable. And it would be financially ridiculous to launch a site that nobody would care for so no worries there.

Not only is your opening statement generic, but it is also hypocritical. To say "Some 16 year old kid" is incapable of obeying rules, as blatantly and generically as you did, is a self-negating argument due to the fact that someone of a medium to old age should realize that generalizations are generally frowned upon. And furthermore, I already stressed that this is a hypothetical question designed to gather a response. Therefore expressing your wish for my lack of funding is unnecessary, as if it is truly a bad idea from my standpoint, I will not do it. Your posts are not supplying the material asked for in the beginning of this post, if you have further biased issues with me, feel free to PM. This thread is for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Thank you.

UrbEx was my primary goal here. I'm glad you took time to think of possible benefits rather than just dismissing the idea altogether. In regards to the last bit.. I suppose using the compound adjective "Young and stupid" was as fallacious as me selecting "extreme" as mine. It was for lack of better wording, my apologies.

So it is within the rules of the site to post a cache such as the one mentioned in my intro? Thank you for your post, very constructive.

Thank you for your suggestion Miragee! If you would point out a way to search that way without being premium, i may have overlooked it, I would be happy to do so. However, I would like to inform you that due to my location, there isn't likely to be more than five of those caches within 25 miles of my zip code. Furthermore, as appreciative as I am towards your idea and thought, i would more so appreciate supporting details on how it would jeopardize the community.

I suppose that would depend on the audience.. No offense taken. I understand your outlook on this, but you have to understand, the target is mostly urban areas, not parks and nature as is currently with geocaching. I see an opportunity to branch a sect of this 'game' to another type of crowd. One that is possibly younger and would not likely find time or interest otherwise. Like golf and miniature golf, if you will.

I had anticipated that to be the general negative view of the matter. Although I can't say I disagree in the means that it may portray a different image on the community, I am sure there are two crowds in this community. Weather or not it is a negative image is left to interpretation. I believe it could introduce many more people to fundamental GPS.

I would first like to take the opportunity to say I have a great respect for geocaching and it's respective community. With that said, I would like to ask input on an idea I have had. This idea may never become a reality, as my web-design experience goes from geocities to FrontPage, just wondering what people think about the idea. How would people feel about a website with minimal rules on caching, and focused mostly in urban areas. A sort of "at your own risk" geocaching. I am sure many of us have considered a cache location, only to remember the rules, then dismiss the thought. What if there was a site that you could post these caches on? For instance, a cache on a little island in a park pond labeled "no swimming" is considered in-accessible by the rules, but what if it was ok to post, and left up to user discretion? This site would also have ratings and stuff to tell you what possible "obstacles" there are. As I said, I am just wondering what people think of this idea, so criticism is welcome, whereas blatant disrespect is not. Further, I would like to point out that this site n no way would be trying to compete with GroudSpeak. As it is made of primarily caches that are ruled out on GeoCaching.com, there should be little to minimal competition. It would be a hope to one day work in conjunction with possibly integrated databases or similar, so therefore I would appreciate staff thoughts as well. I thank everyone for any and all input.

quite apropos. I may elaborate further in that topic as well. Thread located here: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=170896

How would people feel about a website with minimal rules on caching.. focused in urban areas? a sort of risky "at your own risk" geocaching.. just wondering.

getting id

Just thought I'd check back for news on the a900M..

Just thought I'd check back for news on the a900M..

lol, i give up. i wish i could get this app though. would have been nice for my trip to utah.

Hey, just letting you know I'm still waiting! I'd really like to get this app, it's been two weeks, I'm getting very anxious. lol.

i'm super stoked now! can't wait to get my trial going!

Yeah, the M610 has that.. bland outer display though. I dunno, just not as flashy. lol. The 8400 is a bit large for my taste, as is the M1. The m1 sounds pretty nice though, I want to get a hands-on look at it, no shops around here have it yet though . Does te M610 have a memory slot? That'd be nice.