[Do pictures load when caches are saved offline?]

28 minutes ago, RuideAlmeida said:

 

Yes!

I just tested with the airplane mode. The photo in the description did not load. 
There’s just a white box where the photo should be. 

[Do pictures load when caches are saved offline?]

If I save caches from the app to offline data, do they load the pictures in the description and the logs? 
I can’t really test it til I’d get to somewhere without cell reception. So wanted to see if anyone could give me a solid answer before having to test it. 
Thanks!! 

[Geo-art questions]

2 hours ago, GeoElmo6000 said:

 

Keystone is exactly the correct person to talk to.  You can get all the opinions you want here, but ultimately he is the one who you will need to get approval from.

Never said he wasn’t. Keystone has been reviewing 60 recent placed caches of mine. I’ve bugged him enough lately. I don’t see anything wrong having a open discussion on the matter. 

[Geo-art questions]

9 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

The final cache container must be within 2 miles of your posted coordinates for that particular geocache. The center of the geoart has no relevance, as far as I know.

I am not aware of any special 2-mile references to geoart.

THANKS! That clears it up! 
 

I’m gonna use one of these as the general idea. Obviously gonna have to dumb down the detail. 
 

 

[Geo-art questions]

I didn’t want to pester Keystone with a bunch of questions. I figured I’d have an open discussion and get info. 
I figured the logo would be a no go. It was just the easiest option. 
Trying to word it correctly for the distance question. 
In a normal mystery cache, the physical cache has to be within 2 miles of the ? icon. 
With Geo-art, the 2 mile parameters...is that 2 miles each way from the art? Or is it 2 miles from the center? Or is it 2 miles from one designated mystery cache?

 

Using this photo for sample. 

[Geo-art questions]

Hello from central Pennsylvania! We have plenty of state game lands here and I’ve been on a placing frenzy. 
I’d like to place caches and make a Geo-art. 
My first question is...can I make my art a Volkswagen emblem? Or does that cross some type of copyright infringement? 
My second question...can I place caches 2 miles each way from the center of the art? 
Thanks! 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

I owe Keystone an apology. I got frustrated and totally reacted in the wrong. 
I do appreciate all the volunteer efforts to keep this game alive and well. 
My apologies to Keystone for the attack and especially for the awful timing. 
I will admit that in hindsight, his set time and date was actually the best release time for the group of caches. 
My apologies to Keystone, other Mods, and the community in general. 
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

55 minutes ago, Keystone said:

Hiders who have not abused the coordinated publication process are consistently entitled to utilize it.

Hiders who have abused the coordinated publication process are consistently barred from utilizing it.

 

Consistency is important!

If one was a lawyer, it would be their job to paint a bad picture of me. Which are you doing pretty good. Make me look like some guy that has no idea what he’s doing and he’s hiding geocaches for the first time. That he’s abused your publication process. 
 

I have hidden 266 geocaches to this date. Of which, 178 are active. I have 1423 favorite points. With a percentage of 11.6% 

At least 1 in 10 of my finds, gets a favorite point. That would tell you that I’m most likely a quality hider. And if you’re a quality hider, most likely you understand the publication process. 
Yes, you are correct. Seven years ago when I first started I may have asked for a bunch to be published at certain times.

I have not asked you to publish a cache at a certain time in over four years. I wouldn’t really call that abuse.  
 

You’re more than welcome to paint me as someone that has no clue as to what they’re doing. But it’s not the case. 
 

I came on here again with a legitimate question. I just wanted to know the process and reasoning. Your response was then throw a fit and publish half of the geocaches. Say what you want, but we all know at the end of the day that’s the truth.  
 

The last time I came in here and asked a question about the reviewer process, you came on to that thread and attacked me with another reviewer. (it can be found by searching my posts) A few members that were early members then stepped in and told you guys both to come off of your high horses.

This is basically the same exact story different day. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

Yep, and by consensus of local cachers, you're not consistent. Not gonna sit here and point them all out. But you've clearly played favorites through the years and bend rules to your favor given the circumstance. If I had a nickel for every Keystone complaint of inconsistency...
My favorite points speak for themselves. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

12 minutes ago, Keystone said:

 

Just to clarify for other readers of this thread, Reviewers are happy to accommodate requests from cache owners for coordinated publication times, given adequate notice, and so long as the process is not abused.  For example, in the OP's area, there is a wonderful annually recurring series about the "12 Days of Christmas" that will be released once per day, beginning tomorrow, as well as a surprise series of caches coordinated amongst several hiders, that will be published in the not too distant future.  These two series will be a great ending to a year where I've coordinated publication of at least 20 different cache series in South Central and Southwest Pennsylvania.

 

 

If there's anything that you are consistent about...is being inconsistent.

As a 2000 member has previously stated......"We don't have many issues with reviewers. But when there's an issue, it seems to always involve Keystone."

We've answered each other's questions at this point. Lessons noted. Merry Christmas!

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

3 minutes ago, Keystone said:

Great news!  I've just published 28 of the OP's caches that have already gone through the review process.

 

I will return to reviewing the others after my holiday getaway.  I appreciate the flexibility offered to publish the caches as and when I find time to review them.

You’re Priceless. Thanks for yet again showing your true colors. It’s known. 
Thanks for keeping it professional. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

I knew coming here would put me back on Keystone’s 💩 list. Back to the hole I go. lol

Delayed publishing and sharp reviews to follow. 
Merry Christmas! 🎄🎁 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

Just now, Keystone said:

 

Thanks for this reply.  I do not offhand know which 22 caches are intended to be published as a group.

 

What I will do is publish all the caches that have gone through the review process, and then return to the rest after my holiday break.  Best wishes to you and your community for a joyous holiday season.

So now comes the punishment that they’ll all not go live the 26th. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

1 minute ago, Keystone said:

 

I published yesterday's cache pretty much immediately, because by using my map-reading skills, I could see it was not part of your batch of 50+ caches in another area.  There was no reason to hold it up, just like all the other one-off caches I've published yesterday and today.

 

I never requested any caches to be held. Sometimes we hiders release in batches so that the first to find can be shared rather than all 50 some to be gobbled up by one person. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

It’ll be ready for 2022

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

24 minutes ago, Keystone said:

Hello from your local Reviewer!

 

Thank you for hiding a "power trail" of 50+ caches in a State Game Lands and submitting those cache pages for review this week.  I love "hiking caches" and I know that your local community does, too.  Yours is one of three series of "hiking caches" pending in my review queue right now.  These new caches will bring much fun to the community during and after the holiday season.

 

In my experience, when there is a large series of caches all in one area, like your "loop trail," the community appreciates it more when the caches are published all at once.  It can be frustrating to walk several miles to find 10 caches, only to get home and discover that 10 more have been published in the meantime.  So, I chose to hold your caches so that they can all be published at once.  The publication date -- this coming Sunday -- is well within the seven day service level goal for a new cache submission to receive its initial review.  You were still submitting new caches late last evening.

 

As I explained to you in a Reviewer Note late last evening, I am traveling for the holidays - beginning with a five hour drive later today, followed by a getaway stay in a fancy hotel.  I said that I would review all the caches you had submitted up through that one, so that all the caches could be published Sunday, but that any additional caches would be reviewed after Christmas.  Even Reviewers can have a holiday break, and this Help Center article notes this:  "Typically, review begins within 7 days of the date that you submit your cache. But reviews may take longer in the week before or after holidays and large geocaching events."

 

My note about the schedule was part of a longer log that noted a conflict under the "Cache Saturation" guideline.  That was just one of the ten caches that had review questions thus far.  Another reason for choosing Sunday for the publication date was to allow you adequate time to respond to all these issues.

 

Your response to my log about the cache saturation issue and the publication schedule was, and I quote this in its entirety:

 

That cache page would have been a great place to ask questions about the review and publication schedule, or to let me know that it was OK with you to publish caches in the series on a scattershot basis, as and when I've taken breaks from my paying job or personal life to review them in batches of five or ten at a time.

 

General questions, unrelated to any one particular cache, can always be escalated to me in an email via the link on my profile page.  Like many reviewers, I do not use the Message Center except for my player account on the smartphone app.  Responses specific to any one cache need to be in a reviewer note on that cache page, so that I can keep track of everything.  I checked, and I do not see any emails or messages from you.

 

As you can hopefully tell from this forum post, I am quite capable of responding to questions quickly and in a thorough manner.

 

Would you like for your caches to be published as and when I am able to review them, and knowing that there will be "gaps" within your power trail?  You can answer here, if it's more convenient for you.

 

The caches were placed in groups. Then submitted as such. 
It’s not a series. It wasn’t meant to be thought of as one placement. I chose to saturate an area with traditional caches. Not puzzles or Multis. Simple traditional caches. They’re all not the same “power trail” because they are not connected. 
The 22 that were indeed a power trail were all submitted at once. 
 

In the long run, I placed a nice, glitter painted ammo can that I had hoped would be live for Christmas. 
I went out and did all the work I hopes it could publish in time. I figured being submitted by 12/21, it would have a good chance to be live by 12/25

We had been told by you in the past that we cannot request a release time. That you cannot sit and hit a button by request. (I figured they could be scheduled) 

So for years now, I stopped any request for a time released cache. 
I reshuffled work at my “paying job” in hopes to have this all done in time. But alas. 
At least I now know your answer. I’ll just be more clear that caches miles apart are not part of the same power trail. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

22 minutes ago, MartyBartfast said:

That's not uncommon in my experience, so just post your question as a reviewer note.

 

 
So if I have a question about a series that I’m placing in it has 20 geocaches in it, I am to place the 20 geocaches then ask a question? 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

7 minutes ago, Moun10Bike said:

You can always communicate with your reviewer - that’s part of their role. Reviewers prefer email to the Message Center so you should use that method. 

Our reviewer has told us directly not to

message him. Ask in the cache submission. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

Unfortunately there is no communication with our local reviewer. Can’t just message him and ask questions. That’s why I came here.

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

I have 265 geocaches hidden. These aren’t my first hides. 
 

I’m just trying to understand the process. It’s just confusing that one that was submitted on the 20th is not released. But one on the 22nd is released.

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

Just now, RuideAlmeida said:

 

Certainly the reviewer knows what he's doing... imagine if there is another previous planned cache there, and the reviewer will ask the owner if he really wants to proceed, given 26th as the limit date, until handing the spot to you? Have the Merriest Xmas Ever!!

Nope. Not that either. If the spot was taken he would not have it on hold for me to be released on the 26th. If it was already taken by another geocache my geocache would have been denied not put on a time release. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

1 minute ago, RuideAlmeida said:

 

Just as an example, around here we have some public places, like parks and reservations that will stay closed during some days, opening again after Christmas, like the APE Cache, by instance. If any cache were published there in the meantime, it could provoke some unintended (and illegal) entrances.

These are all on state game lands. Nothing closed or limited for holidays. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

Some of the caches were submitted 12/21 

I get it is holiday season. I get they’re volunteers. I do appreciate that. Even wished him a Merry Christmas. 
just puzzled as to why a cache is reviewed, but then scheduled to be released rather than just hit go live like he has others hidden after. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

8 minutes ago, RuideAlmeida said:

 

And why you think the forums would be the right place to ask... instead of asking your reviewer?

Did you check for any local limitations, until December 26th, by instance?

Our reviewer does not talk to people. You ask any questions and you get some type of computer generated response. 

[Trying to understand Reviewer]

I placed and submitted traditional geocaches on the 21st. I then placed another geocache yesterday. 
The one I placed yesterday went live immediately. But I have started to receive notifications that the ones that I submitted on the 21st will be published on the 26th. Four days later?

I then wake up this morning to see that caches that were placed yesterday are going live today??

My geocaches are traditional caches and they have a been reviewed and set for a release that was not requested. 
I’m just trying to understand why caches yesterday are being released today, but yet caches submitted on the 21st are being scheduled for days later?? It’s not a series or mystery. They’ve clearly been reviewed. Why are they being held? 
Thanks for any insight.