Jomarac5

Since we're in the tick and mosquito season... A few days ago there was an interesting article on our national television station (CTV) about the health effects of using DEET. You can see the web-based article here. It includes this information about DEET usage from Health Canada: Health Canada recommendations for the use of DEET: DEET Use on Children Although current labels on insect repellents containing DEET state that these products are not to be used on children under the age of 2 years (infants or toddlers), it is now recommended that: On children under six months of age Insect repellents containing DEET still not be usedOn children aged six months to two years The use of one application per day may be considered in situations where a high risk of complications from insect bites exist The product be applied sparingly and not be applied to the face and hands; Only the least concentrated product (10 per cent DEET or less) should be used Prolonged use be avoided On children between two-12 years of age The least concentrated product (10 per cent DEET or less) is used and that it be applied no more than three times per day.DEET Use on Adults Products containing no more than a 30 per cent concentration of DEET will normally provide adults with sufficient protection. Studies have shown that products with lower concentrations of DEET are just as effective as the high concentration products, but they remain effective for shorter periods of time. 30 per cent DEET will provide 6.5 hours of protection; 15 per cent DEET will provide five hours of protection; l0 per cent DEET will provide approximately three hours of protection, and 5 per cent DEET will provide approximately two hours of protection. Products that contain DEET and di-n-propyl isocinchomeronate (MGK Repellent 326) or DEET and n-octyl bicycloheptene dicarboximide (MGK Synergist 264) do not appear to offer any added protection from mosquito bites in comparison to products that contain DEET alone, so their use could result in unnecessary chemical exposure. There is no indication that there is a hazard to the unborn or nursing child associated with the use of DEET by pregnant or lactating women. However, there are non-chemical methods to reduce mosquito bites (protective clothing, avoiding mosquito habitat and times of peak mosquito activity), which could be considered. ----- There is also additional information about the West Nile Virus at the Health Canada Website. Hope this is helpful. ***** [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on May 30, 2003 at 06:10 AM.]

I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions and comments -- each and every post has a lot of merit (well, maybe Snoogans comment was off a bit ). I'm not planning to host any kind of event in the near future but I was thinking about this scenario and wanted to get some opinions from the people on this board. I too, agree that it would be a very childish action to purposefully exclude anyone in the local community. Of all the posts, I think Mopar's advice is the most sensible and logical. quote: Mopar wrote:Besides, it might be a good time/place to resolve whatever issues you have with those people. Or a good time to understand this is all still just a game about finding a box in the woods, and share a beer with the guy. Thanks again for all your thoughts. *****

I'm game. Sounds like fun. Thanks. *****

quote: georgeandmary wrote:If you hold an event cache it's open to anyone who can find the coordinates. Just as if you had any traditional cache. If they show up, they can log the find. Odds are they won't show up but you can't exclude them. Would it make a difference if the coords were just e-mailed to local cachers, excluding a select few instead of posting the coords on the site. Would it be considered childish or inappropriate to omit some cachers this way? *****

quote: Renegade Knight wrote: Women are very good at this kind of stuff. That's why I didn't fully understand it the first time. Makes good sense though. Thanks. *****

Good idea for a discussion topic. That's a cool page GeoVamp. Gollum is such a great character. One that I've done that I'm pretty happy with is WE I - Looking Down Lindeman -- it's the first in our Wilderness Experience series. I think the coolest thing about the page is the top title graphic -- if you change the width of your browser, the graphic stays centered and its width adjusts to match the browser width -- all done with simple html. The best thing about this cache is the location itself -- it's an awesome lake that you have to see to fully appreciate -- the colour is incredible. Read the logs and you'll see that everyone that has visited it so far has really enjoyed it -- some of the posted photos show the colour of the lake quite well (it changes depending on whether there is sunshine or cloud). ***** [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on May 28, 2003 at 09:22 PM.]

quote: Renegade Knight wrote:2) Make sure to LOUDLY invite some others who happen to be hated by cacher X. Make sure they LOUDLY RSVP that they are going to be there. People who dislike each other tend to stay away from each other if at all possible. I'm not sure how to take this... are you being sarcastic? *****

If I were to organize a local caching event, would it be considered rude or inappropriate if I didn't invite one or two local cachers because I don't like them? Or would it just be childish? *****

Curious George is correct, but You can also upload your images to geocaching.com from your "Change your account information" page. This way you don't need to have another host site. About half way down the "Change your account information" page is a section called "Photo (JPG files only)" Use this section to upload your images. Note that you can also upload .gif images as well. Images must be less than 100k. Give the files different names just so that it's easier to keep track of them. You don't have to give them a description. Use the "Browse" button to locate the image on your hard drive, click on Upload picture and away you go. You can then access the image by determining the URL at geocaching.com. For instance, your avatar image is located at: http://img.Groundspeak.com/user/avatar/41094_800.jpg To see your previously uploaded images, change the _800 to _600, etc. Note that you will have to change the file extension to match the file that you've uploaded -- either .jpg or .gif. Subsequent images will be named by hundreds, example, the next image you upload will end in _900. The next will be _1000, the next _1100 etc. In your cache description html you will need to put the entire image URL for this to work. Here's an example of a cache page that uses images that are residing on geocaching.com: Sample Cache Page Hope this helps. If you have a problem with it, e-mail me through the site. *****

quote: canadazuuk wrote:I don't see any issue here at all The reply that you quoted was in response to something that was said in a post that was made and then later corrected. If the information in the initial post was correct there would have been an issue. Once the initial post was corrected my comment became moot since there was no issue. If you had read the entire thread you'd have been aware of this. Seems to me that you are in a spiteful and careless mood tonight Zuuky. It's so unlike you.

quote:Blackfoot wrote:Ok, Almost all of us agree that trading junk sucks. But no amount of discussion is going to change the fact that there are still going to be the few oddballs that don't think before they trade. There will also be those few who find the cache on a fluke of good luck. Who are not even Geocachers, but will put something in the cache to be polite. My wife and I hunt togeather and seaperatly, and sometimes you do find something that just grabs you. Such as pins and patches. I've always tried to trade for these items, but I don't always have an upgrade item with me. This is where I trade a lot of items for the one. To at least an even trade. There has also been times when I find something I really like, but don't have an even trad. This is where self control needs to come in. I don't trade. Even if I really like it. I figure maybe someone else deserves to trade for that item, since I don't have an even or better trade. We all have to remember that this is a game, and there will be good finds, great finds, and finds that really suck. It's all part of the game of odds. Just try to rememb Life is a gift, unwrap it and use it to the fullest! I agree with everything you say here except that discussion won't change the way that some people trade. It was discussion that brought about cache-in and trash-out -- which has made a difference. I'll bet there are people who now help to clean an area up because of the influence of the program. Perhaps with some good ideas generated through discussion in these forums we can find a solution that will influence fairer trading. To say that this is impossible just doesn't make sense to me. *****

quote: canadazuuk wrote:And the truth is that when J5 and I finished up duelling, I phoned him up, and we agreed to fight in person next time. Put 'em up, put 'em up. G'night all

>> Yawn... << quote: canadazuuk wrote:I was denying them? Okay, so maybe I am cache advance is what you are saying? I'm not denying anything. You keep belly aching everytime someone's cache doesn't get approved. Ad nauseum. Ad infinitum. Why do YOU go on about it? If I thought you were cache-advance I would have said so. When it comes down to it, I didn't say that Mr. Gigabyte is cache-advance either. Well, you certainly voiced your chagrin regarding this webcam cache and about locationless caches in the past as well. I don't go on about every cache that is not approved -- only the ones where it seems that there are underlying and unfair reasons for not approving them. quote: So your previous forum topics meant to draw a circle of doubt about the approvers who spend 20 hours a week of their own time approving caches has nothing to do with the contnuum of events? (like here) If you go back and read the forum discussion that you are referring to you will realize that I was not drawing a 'circle of doubt' about the approvers. My reasons for identifying the approvers was quite sound -- they are representatives of this site and it's policies. I only wanted to find out who was who. Nothing nasty there. Just trying to clarify who's opinions in the forums carry any weight. That reminds me... we never did get a list of who approves caches or represents the site, perhaps we should discuss that one again? I think I've had enough of this discussion Zuuky. There's no where left to go with it. See you later. *****

quote: MrG is not cache advance, and J5 is not anonymous cacher.Well, I know that I'm not the anonymous cacher. Can't say about cache-advance/Mr. Gigabyte. quote: Who is the bully now?Who's taking about bullies? Keep it on track Zuuk. Enough of this already. It's getting tiring. *****

Well Zuuky, I should just leave this alone BUT... I don't see anywhere that I said or even inferred that everyone should be able to do whatever they want (privately owned site or not). That would be ridiculous. What I did allude to was that everytime someone comes up with a deviation to the game, there are some who feel compelled to say that it shouldn't be. I reiterate, where is the harm with a webcam cache? Is it hurting you in some way? No it isn't. You don't have to do it. So why go about denying those who like them? You still seem to be fixated on this false illusion that I was the one who sent Ranger Bob the anonymous e-mail. Quite frankly, you are questioning my integrity when there is no reason to do so. If you have proof, then get it out. But the reality is that there is no proof because it wasn't me who wrote the comments to Ranger Bob. Go ahead Zuuky, post whatever proof you have here. But it doesn't exist because I wrote and/or sent no such message. What is it about "I AM NOT the anonymous cacher in question" that you don't understand? And if you go back and read the posts again you'll also see that I was not the one who brought up the connection between cache-advance and Mr. Gigabyte. You are the one who keeps bringing it back up -- so stop chastizing others for what you yourself are doing. BTW: Divine's comment is racist? Your imagination must be running in overdrive. I read it to be a slight on the word NIGGLE. All the best to you too Zuuky. *****

I agree with all that you've said. The problem however, is that common sense is not all that common. *****

quote: canadazuuk wrote:J5- just admit you are anonymous cacher and a s++t disturber so we can get on with life Zuuky, where does this drivel come from? Are you not taking your meds again? I can assure you that I AM NOT the anonymous cacher in question. You should know by now that if I have something to say that I'm certainly not afraid to say it -- I certainly don't hide behind a veil. Next time you decide to point a finger at someone, you should get your facts straight first -- otherwise you could find that your own integrity might come into question. *****

What's an avatar? *****

quote: Snoogans wrote:Ya know, You probably should post a poll to settle this argument. I understand both sides of the argument, but ultimatly....If the cache has a log book that I can sign, then I'm happy. No anti-climax for me. IMHO, I would be interested to see the results of a poll. One that covers both sides of the fence equally. Sorry, but I don't see what good a poll will do. What type of poll questions/answers will apply here -- Was I disappointed? Yes. No. Maybe so. That's really not what this discussion is about. No offence to you or your suggestion, but the discussion is about finding a solution to encourage people not to trade down. Personally, I'd much rather explore the reasons why people are trading down and try to find possible solutions to eliminate this. *****

quote: Canadazuuk wrote:Opinion of course, but I don't think webcam caches are 'true' geocaches in the sense of the original idea of the game. So what is the original idea of the game? Is there some stone tablet where a description is available? I recall a question in the FAQ of this website that states: "Are there any variations in the game?" The posted answer to this question is: "YES! We strongly encourage it, actually. Geocaching is a game that constantly reinvents itself, and the rules are very flexible. If you have a new idea on how to place a cache, or a new game using GPS units, we'd love to hear about it." This is why I think a lot of people are confused about what exactly this activity is -- if someone tries to add a different perspective or twist on the activity there are others who jump on them immediately stating that this doesn't conform to the original idea of the game. Seems to me that a webcam cache is a variation of the game that utilizes a GPSr. Zuuky, no one says that you have to do a webcam cache (or any other cache for that matter). quote: Due to the general full-hearted endorsement of the SLIPPERY SLOPE FALLACY, by allowing ONE webcam cache, we now have to allow them all.So what? Where's the harm? If you don't like it, don't do it. Who are you to deny others the pleasure that they get by finding and logging it? Is it hurting you in any way? Didn't think so. quote: I'm not sure that posting the e-mails from Cache-Advance and tying that name to MrGigabyte, along with other possibly unneccessary comments was such a great idea.I suppose that this could be said of your post as well. Looking forward to seeing that great monument that has every detail of what is and is not allowed when placing a cache. Perhaps you could post a picture of it, if you happen to find it. *****

I'm puzzled. There is a cache being held up in the Canada forum because an approver seems to want the cache placer to jump through numerous hoops. After the cache placer has complied, the cache is still not approved. Here is the thread: Rob Lakes' WebCam (Edmonton) Cache? It's been stated on these boards before that if there is a dispute betweeen the cache placer and an approver, that the cache in question should be posted on the forums and the readers will decide. This sure doesn't seem to be the case here -- not one person has posted saying that this cache should not be approved. Yet the cache is still not active. What's the deal here? Please post replies to the Canada forum. Thanks. ***** [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on May 22, 2003 at 01:15 PM.]

Am I missing something here? It looks like Ranger Bob is jumping through hoops to get this cache approved. What's the deal here -- why is this the case? There have been NO posts saying that the cache should not be approved -- only that it should be approved. If there is a problem with a cache approval, Jeremy suggests taking it to the forums if it cannot be resolved with the approvers -- but why? It doesn't seem to make a difference. Mr.Gigabyte approving caches again?... hmmmm. ***** [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on May 22, 2003 at 01:11 PM.]

I don't see the problem here. Appears to me that it should be OK'd. *****

Hello All, I've been thinking about this thread during the day and have come up with a few thoughts. Trading/TNLN/Cost of Cache Loot Is it possible that the aversion that some people have to trading is due to the monetary factor? I don't mean this in a way to embarrass anyone -- heck, the reality is that it can be costly. I don't keep tabs of how much we've spent on caching since we started last December but it's been a few bucks. We make shopping trips for cache loot at least every couple of weeks. Each time seems to cost between $20.00 - $30.00. Most of our trade items cost between 1-2 dollars each -- if it's something really cool we might spend a dollar or two more on the occasional item. Since last December we've done 130 caches so I know that it can add up quickly -- and we haven't traded at every cache. For someone with a few hundred finds, over time, it would represent a fair bit of money to trade at every cache. We've placed 3 caches at a cost of $45.00 to $55.00 each (including the cache container) -- admittedly, we could probably place caches for half of what we spent but we wanted to have lot's of stuff in them for kids to trade for -- and a couple of adult oriented trade items as well. I'm not complaining about what we've spent on caching -- it's our choice. And we'll likely continue to do so. However, it can be a bit of an expense, especially if you trade at every cache. When I cache by myself without the kids, I rarely trade (although sometimes I'll leave something in a cache without taking anything). And I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about logging a TNLN. With the costs in mind, I can certainly see why some people don't trade. And I have no problem with this -- there is absolutely no obligation to trade. Nor should there be. But there is an obligation I think, that if you do trade, to trade fairly. I would much rather see someone log a TNLN than leave a cigarette or a broken mctoy. Perhaps the reason for degrading caches is not the monetary reason but I think it possibly has some bearing on it. Any comments? ----- Regarding this discussion thread: I don't understand why there is such an aversion to trading by a few very vocal cachers in these forums. From what I've read to date there has been absolutely no good reason presented to not trade -- only complaints and insults to those that do like to trade. No one has said that you have to trade. No one is saying that you should trade. We are however, saying that we like to trade (sometimes or all the time) and can't understand why you get so bent out of shape every time the topic is brought up. You can say that you are tired of hearing discussions about cache trades and all this but how do you ever expect others to resolve the problems if you keep being rude and interupt each discussion with your nonsensical and off-topic comments. Whether you realize it or not, your disruptions do inhibit many people from posting their ideas -- they are concerned that they are going to get jumped on if they offer their opinions. And frankly, they have a valid concern in these forums. There are some valid concerns about trading and perhaps with some good discussion we can come up with some sensible ways of encouraging others to trade fairly. I'm asking as a courtesy to those of us that would like to discuss this topic that the naysayers leave us alone to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be appreciative of this. Thanks for listening. ***** edit - fix typo [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on May 22, 2003 at 12:49 AM.]

This site should get you what you're looking for: Great Circle Calculator by Ed Williams Use the 1st calculator. Just input the coords and click on "Compute". Hope this helps. *****