Jomarac5

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quote: Canadazuuk wrote:What people really mean when they put others down in a demeaning and cruel way by saying stoopid things, is that THEY THEMSELVES have a personal issue they don't want to, or are not willing to deal with. Well, that would explain a lot of Seneca's posts. And yours as well. *****

Legal loophole? Sheesh. Hey, pirate guy -- are you sharing meds with Zuuky? *****

Buh bye Zuuky. Well, the only thing left here is the matter of the three questions... *****

Ha ha ha. That's funny Zuuk. Did you go off of your meds to come up with that one? *****

Whatever Zuuky, account created yesterday or six months ago, it's still you on the keyboard. So much for the self-imposed exile. *****

quote: Canadazuuk wrote:WHEN A CACHER REPEATEDLY ASKS THE SAME THREE QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, WHAT THEY ARE REALLY SAYING IS: 'HEY MAN, I'M SMARTER THAN YOU, AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR NOT AGREEING WITH ME. FURTHERMORE, I'M JUST HERE TO STIR UP TROUBLE, AND IT'S *JUST ENTERTAINMENT*' Hmmmm... interesting thought Zuuky, but you're talking out of your hat. *****

quote: Guessteammates wrote:Some typical Zuuk drivel... Zuuky, why are you hiding behind that sock puppet account? There's still the matter of the three questions... *****

quote: Team 360 wrote:I guess you missed that part. Looks like you didn't REALLY read the TOU when you signed up, huh? Glad you got some satisfaction out of that. Sheesh. *****

Correct you are Fuzzy. quote: DapperDanMan wrote:AMEN! - Let this thread Die Yes, but there's still the matter of the three questions... *****

I've said all I need to say here. If anyone cannot understand that their intellectual property has value, then I guess it's just too bad for them. The only thing left here is for Groundspeak to respond to the 3 questions. *****

quote: Warm Fuzzies Fuzzy wrote:Grounded Inc. reserves the right to change the terms, conditions, and notices under which this website is offered. So it does. Looks like they got their slippery words in there. Seems pretty vague to me. And it doesn't necesarily mean that I agree to the new terms just because they post them. What it all boils down to people, is that everyone *needs* to read Terms agreements. Just because they are written out on a website, doesn't make them right. I cringe every time someone says "well, it's just standard legal mumbo-jumbo". Nothing is standard. It's lawyers talking for their own benefit. Ol' Bill was right. 67% of all those who responded to the poll at the beginning of this thread said that they rarely or never read the terms. Protect yourself folks -- read them, and don't agree to anything that you don't think is right. *****

Warm Fuzzies Fuzzy: The previous terms agreement is on the first page of this thread, towards the bottom of the page. *****

quote: Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy wrote:but I seem to remember that the last paragraph said something to the effect of "we reserve the right to change these terms at any time." Words to that effect are in the new agreement. There was nothing like that in the original agreement. *****

quote: The Guessteammates wrote:WHAT FONT SIZE WOULD YOU ***LIKE*** TO TYPE IN? I RECKON '144', BUT I DOUBT THEY MAKE IT THAT BIG... Zuuky, I thought you were on a self-impossed ban -- I guess your word is not as good as some here would like to think. *****

quote: trippy1976 wrote:Maybe I'm missing your goal with this thread. What are you trying to accomplish? To get people to understand that they *need* to read the terms of use agreements at this site and other sites. Hopefully, this has succeeded to some degree. quote: trippy1976 wrote:...you've granted Groundspeak a license to use the content. Not Joe Shirt Shop a license to print and market your images for their profit. Actually, you've given Groundspeak the authorization to sell, rent, or give your property to *anyone* that they wish. So, in fact, Joes Shirt Shop could obtain the rights to your property. quote: Seneca wrote:If you want clarification, you will only get it by obtaining a legal opinion from an attorney who acts in the area of copyright law, qualified in the appropriate jurisdiction. Actually, not all the questions raised can be answered by an outside attorney. 1. Is there some other use planned for the intellectual property of those who use this site? 2. When did the terms of service (Terms of Use) take effect? 3. Are any pictures/data loaded before the TOS (TOU) grandfathered 'out' of those TOS(TOU)? -- In other words, is the intellectual property that we uploaded prior to the new TOU exempt from the current TOU? *****

cachew nut, I do very much understand what you are saying, and you've said it quite well. I don't agree with the Terms of Use agreement -- and I am not alone. People need to be less tolerant of language that they don't understand -- they *should* ask questions if they don't understand something. And when they do ask, they *should* be given clarification by the owner of the agreement. It needs to be understood that intellectual property has value, whether that value is a million bucks or a tenth of a cent is irrelevant -- it's property. It belongs to YOU. To blindly sign over the rights to that property is ludicrious, yet it happens frequently. Even more ludicrous is that many people do so without even giving any consideration to the terms they are agreeing to. Companies know this and exploit it. I still believe that Groundspeak should give us the answers that have been presented. It would garner a great deal of respect if they did so. It is my hope that at least some of those who never read the terms of websites will do so now. For those who refuse to understand the ownership and value of your intellectual properties, shame on you -- if one day, you see a photo of yours somewhere on the web where someone else is making money from it, you'll have no one to blame but yourself. Thanks cachew nut, for your reply. *****

quote: Huntforit wrote:Bye! About time. See ya later alligator. *****

quote: Huntforit wrote:"Just why do *you* think it's worded the way that it is?" I've already said why. Are you not paying attention or are you simply replying with your mindless pearls of wisdom without reading any of this? *****

quote: Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking wrote:Apparently quite a few people don't feel like you do. Please recognize that and stop trying to convert us to your point of view. Apparently, from the e-mail that I've received, there are quite a few people who *do* feel about this the same as I do. Some people *do* understand the importance of intellectual property -- take Groundspeak for instance, if they didn't, there would be no reason for the wording in the Terms of Use Agreement. Just why do *you* think it's worded the way that it is? *****

quote: Sept1c_tank wrote:Scurvy Dog, (or Jomarac 5? ), July 9, 2003. You decide. I'd say that's a Scurvy Dog by the name of Pharmadude. I like the picture though, it's cool. Arggggh! *****

Well, it is now quite evident that some people just don't get it. And it's pathetically evident that the majority of people don't read the conditions that apply when uploading web based content. Makes me understand the comments that Johnny Depp has made of late. Seneca -- grow up. "A dog in a manger" -- you're a bit mixed up with its meaning and you could use some clarity if you meant it as an insult, which I assume that you did. I'm convinced that it doesn't matter with you whether you believe in something or not. You just like being an instigator, no matter how stupid it makes you appear. Mike, are you for real? This is one of the weakest replies that I've had in a forum yet (well, with the exception of Team 360, of course). Sad really, that people don't get the importance of ownership of property. Wake up people -- you're intellectual property has value -- don't let someone take it from you. *****

quote: Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking wrote:Actually what I'd like to know is what could anyone ever have uploaded that is worth selling. Independently, probably nothing (although there might be the odd exception). Collectively however, a database of photos with cooresponding coordinates can be very, very valuable. There are LOTS of uses for a database showing photos of different geographical locations. So, is someone from Groundspeak going to address the questions? *****

1. Is there some other use planned for the intellectual property of those who use this site? 2. When did the terms of service (Terms of Use) take effect? 3. Are any pictures/data loaded before the TOS (TOU) grandfathered 'out' of those TOS(TOU)? -- In other words, is the intellectual property that we uploaded prior to the new TOU exempt from the current TOU? *****

No offence, caleenp, but I understand exactly what Seneca is saying without your echo. I don't agree with his reasoning, nor do I think it is necessary. Telling us that the images are not going to be used for any other commercial purpose will not diminish the enforceability of any agreement. As I mentioned above, play straight and there's no need for misunderstandings or complicated language. *****