Jomarac5

We've also got a kayak event cache planned. It's an overnight trip that involves a 28 mile paddle. We will be picking up 7 caches along the way, including the cache that Seneca mentions in his post. In our neck of the woods, we're getting more and more water based caches. *****

Wow. This thread has really taken a dump. What's with you guys? Grow up. This is not a place to discuss religion or politics, or other societal issues. Just reinforces my comments about needing moderation in these forums. Sheesh. *****

quote: NO OverbearingTO$ wrote:From what I am hearing the koolaid drinkers say I should just shut up and do what I am told and be happy. Exactly. Good point. It's amazing how many people have the attitude that if it's written somewhere else, it must be OK. They are the ones that don't think for themselves. hikemeister -- if that's your idea of good advice, you're way off base man. I am not amused. *****

quote: hikemeister wrote:How about this for an idea -- get a life. Wow. How's that for an attitude. If it bothers you, don't read through it. *****

quote: Bilder wrote:Why some guys get so worked up about it is beyond me. Why some guys think that just because something is done in other places makes it OK, is beyond me. *****

4x4van, but what happens when the TOU changes and is not what you agreed to when you first signed up to use the site? As is the case of late. In the case of what Frolickin states, your views would be correct. But, what the topic is about here, is that the user cannot go back and alter his cache description after the cache has been archived (which has nothing to do with the TOU). *****

quote: Huntnlady wrote:Not as rare as you might think. I recall reading an article not long ago that stated that there have been more cougar attacks in North America in the past five years than in the fifty years previous. Most of this is due to humans encroaching upon cougar habitats. These cats are very territorial and when they are driven out of their territory by housing developments, etc., they cannot just enter another cats territory without having a conflict with that cat. They require an enormous amount of space and if they don't eat, they look for whatever prey they can find -- including slow-running humans. *****

quote: Warm Fuzzies - Fuzzy wrote:Okay, maybe I'm missing something here, but has anyone tried editing the cache description BEFORE archiving the cache? Maybe the problem here is that the OP just did it in the wrong order, and we're all merrily chasing a tempest around a teapot. As I mentioned above this would be possible. The problem is that the cache *was* archived and now it can't be changed. Prime Suspect, I can see your point but whether box2321's caches are of a high standard of quality or not, doesn't matter. The issue here is that he's unable to edit his cache description page now. Now the real question is this: box2321 says that he tried contacting an admin but is not getting a reply. Perhaps an admin could let us know why this is? *****

quote: Snoogans wrote:You should start a private topic of your own about the pirates. Sign me up. Who else wants to talk about cache pirates? Send me an e-mail through the site and I'll add you to the forum later tonight. Pirates need not apply. *****

Awesome sunbeam shot Criminal. And I can really relate to the kayak shot Dagg -- is that in the Broken Group? I followed this Great Blue Heron for quite a while in my kayak to get this shot: This is one of my favourite 'trail' shots -- taken at about 7:00 on a cold morning in January on the way back from a cache hunt: *****

I use a 2 - AA battery Mini-Mag lite to get to the cache area and then use the standard BC BFL for searching: Half a million candle power, fully rechargable, and over an hour of daylight at one o'clock in the morning. *****

quote: Snoogans wrote:This cache pirate crap should be discussed in private where they can't get a charge out of it. Good point. It's enough to get me there. I've got a few ideas about this pirate stuff that I'd like to share with some of you guys but I don't want to discuss it with these wimpy pirates listening in. *****

RK, we have a cacher in our neighbourhood who quite often deletes people's logs for the pettiest of reasons. I know that it very much infuriates a large number of people -- but that's a discussion better suited for it's own thread. I can see instances where someone could get upset enough, or want to make a point, and delete their logs. Heck, at one time, there was a lot of talk locally about the importance of find counts, I nearly went back and changed all of my found logs to notes just to make a statement that find counts aren't important to me -- even that would have changed the cache history. I've also seen instances where someone deleted their logs only from a fellows caches after having a disagreement with that person (ironically, they were from the caches of that same person who is known for deleting logs). The point however, is that if someone *wants* to remove their information, who are you or I to deny them? *****

quote: Mopar wrote:If you published a book, and then had a diagreement with the publisher, would it be reasonable to expect them to track down every copy sold and destroy it? It's not the same thing. The web is essentially a growing model where information comes and goes. It's the nature of it. Getting your blood back? Getting back political contributions? C'mon Mopar, those are pretty weak arguments. You can do better. Search engine caches don't last forever. And yes, geocaching.com *could* remove every trace of you being on this site if they really wanted to. It is possible to delete the cache descriptions and keep the logs in place so that no one loses any cache count information. I do realize however, that it might not make it very good for going back and reading about old caching trips if the description was gone. Bottom line though, is why can't someone remove archived cache descriptions? After all, if I know this now, I could delete my cache descriptions before requesting the cache to be archived, what would happen, would geocaching.com resurrect my cache descriptions? Regardless of the answer to the above questions, I don't think it would be a good thing for a disgruntled person to delete anyone's cache logs. It's just not necessary. There must be a solution that can make everyone happy but the main focus must be on the person who owns the information, i.e., the cache description owner and/or the cacher who wrote the logs. *****

quote:Originally posted by mckee: quote:Originally posted by Jomarac5:So, am I to assume that the good folks at GeoCaching.com are going to ignore this thread as they have with several other past threads that presented topical issues? As a reminder, here are the 3 questions: 1. Is there some other use planned for the intellectual property of those who use this site? 2. When did the terms of service (Terms of Use) take effect? 3. Are any pictures/data loaded before the TOS (TOU) grandfathered 'out' of those TOS(TOU)? -- In other words, is the intellectual property that we uploaded prior to the new TOU exempt from the current TOU? ***** Talk about gun rights. That will get some attention. Gun talk would probably work, but then so would a lot of other questions that have never been answered, like "Who are the Admin/Approvers?". Thanks for the suggestion mckee, but at this time, it would be best to wait for the answer to come without starting any new topics. *****

quote: StarshipTrooper wrote: The way I figure it, if I'm seeing one that close, it needs killin'. Are you trying to stir something up here? What about the feelings of all the animal lovers? Have you no conscience at all? Where's your humanity, man? The emotional trauma of hearing about an animal getting whacked could easily put an animal lover over the edge. Killing a predatory animal so that it won't cause harm to yourself or your children? How can you be so cold? ZoomZoom, glad to hear that that your ordeal wasn't more exciting than it was -- for you or the cat. ***** [This message was edited by Jomarac5 on September 08, 2003 at 03:25 PM.]

quote: Doc-Dean wrote:Has anything GC.com done impaired your ability to go Geocaching?? to impair your ability to log your finds or control your caches? Is this a loaded question? There's lots of cachers, current and past, who I'm certain would have a great deal to say about this. The issue here, however, is not the reasons *why* someone wants to remove their information -- it's that they want to and they can't. *****

TBsmine, glad to see ya got yer pirate talkin' accent back. ARRRR!!! Now if only ye had a respectful, fearsome name like a real pirate. *****

quote: Pantalaimon wrote:Hey Hydee, don't forget to lock this thread too... I would hate to see them "torture" anyone by forcing them to read their silliness. That sentence would have much more impact if you had used a little emphasis, like this: "I would hate to see them "torture" anyone by *forcing* them to read their silliness. See how much better that is? *****

re: "We need history that each cache page contains." quote: Renegade Knight wrote:If it's not a rule it should be. You might think so, but I disagree. BTW: Would that go for editing logs as well -- seems that editing cache logs is not maintaining the integrity of the cache either, but I see it happening all the time. Either way (edited or deleted), geocaching.com still has the original material -- it's not really deleted -- it's just not being displayed. *****

quote: Dave_W6DPS wrote:I don't think that it should be up to anyone wanting to leave the site to arbitrarily delete logs because they get the idea to leave--no matter how justified. box2321 didn't say that he/she wanted to delete any logs. Read the first post again -- it says "I tried just now to simply blank out the information in my caches...". Nothing there about deleting anyone's find logs. quote:Dave_W6DPS wrote:You obviously haven't read the fine print regarding who owns submissions! Actually, I have Dave, and the copyright belongs to the creator -- the rights to use it, however, are another story (see the 2nd post to this thread). *****

quote: Renegade Knight wrote:We need the history that each cache page contains. Is that a rule? I'd say it's up to the person who posted the log to decide whether or not they want to leave the log on the page. After all, they do own the copyright to the material. *****

quote: Markwell wrote:The problem is that by deleting the contributions YOU made to the site, you would also be deleting the contributions others made to the site as well. Not necessarily. The description of the cache could be deleted but the logs could remain intact. box2321 mentions nothing about deleting cache logs. *****

quote: box2321 wrote:It also has the benefit of showing users that the owners of geocaching.com can respect a person who wants to not be involved as much as they respect a person who does want to be involved. Good point, but you'll learn soon enough that respect is not a two way street. Don't be surprised if this exerpt from the Terms of Use agreement is thrown at you: By submitting any Submission to Groundspeak, You grant Groundspeak a worldwide, non-exclusive, transferable, perpetual, irrevocable, fully-paid royalty-free license and right to use, reproduce, distribute, import, broadcast, transmit, modify and create derivative works of, license, offer to sell, and sell, rent, lease or lend copies of, publicly display and publicly perform that Submission for any purpose and without restriction or obligation to You. Personally, I believe that if you posted your information prior to the new Terms of Use agreement it should be exempt, but that brings up another issue, as no one at geocaching.com will tell us when the new agreement came into effect. *****

So, am I to assume that the good folks at GeoCaching.com are going to ignore this thread as they have with several other past threads that presented topical issues? As a reminder, here are the 3 questions: 1. Is there some other use planned for the intellectual property of those who use this site? 2. When did the terms of service (Terms of Use) take effect? 3. Are any pictures/data loaded before the TOS (TOU) grandfathered 'out' of those TOS(TOU)? -- In other words, is the intellectual property that we uploaded prior to the new TOU exempt from the current TOU? *****