Peconic Bay Sailors

I just looked at the cache listing and the owner has posted a note and it does not look like the damage had anything to do with this cache...

Alan2, I'm not familiar with that area, but from what I've been told... yes... if it is NYSDEC lands... depending on any other restrictions... But, I'd check with that regions DEC Enforcement Officer for any local land use restrictions... I guess you are talking aboout Region 3 or 4??? We primarily place caches in Region 1 & 5, as we have property in both regions... and are not into traveling hours to maintain a cache... and those are the Regions we are familiar with... My sister on the other hand, who lives in Colorado Springs, Co. thought nothing of driving 3-4 hours to maintain a joint micro cache we had with her along the Arkansas River about 50 miles west of Canon City, Co... (since been archived as it ran it's course)... This cache was in the middle of nowhere! There wasn't another cache within 50 miles... but she managed to make 3 or 4 maint visits when the logs filled up... and was twice lost or muggled...

jonboy... The NYSDEC Enforcement Officer for Region 5 (covering the eastern portion of Adirondack Park) told me it was now ok to Geocache on all NYSDEC lands... Persuant to any other land use restrictions that may be in effect... If an area is closed to hikers... Then it is obviously closed to Geocaching... If it is on private land managed by the DEC then permission from the owner would be required (Deb & I just happen to own this type of property in Fulton County, inside Adirondack Park)... If the spot is in wetlands... don't do it... If it is above treeline, in areas where even walking on the flora would be detremental... don't do it... If the sign says stay on the trails... don't put a cache off the trail... etc., etc. This is not rocket science... Use common sense... If you have any reservations about a particular spot... Then put your cache elsewhere... You know when you are in a restricted area... they are clearly marked... But basically... If you are allowed to hike & camp there... a Geocache is OK... Also... NYADMIN, I'm sure, will be scrutanizing any caches placed on NYSDEC lands... (I know from personal experience, he/she is very conciensious about his job)... Above all, be honest when requesting a new cache... Just because you can "pull the wool over someone's eyes", doesn't make the cache OK... Anyone who does that is putting Geocaching on NYSDEC Lands (or anywhere for that matter) in jeopardy... What they have given us can just as easily be taken away... And if they have to take it away, due to abuse... I have a feeling it will be PERMANANTLY revoked... If you have any questions, you can contact the local DEC Enforcement Officer for your Region... Just go to the NYSDEC website and the phone numbers are there... (URL is below)... The Officer I spoke to was very friendly and willing to answer any questions I had... (remember to talk to the Enforcement Officer... the first few people I spoke to when I called the Region 5 Office had absolutely no idea what I was talking about)... Region 5 Phone: 518-897-1326... I did do an inquiry with the NYSDEC Permit Office and, with the exception of Region 1 where a free 3-year access permit is needed, no particular permits are required... (it's NOT like Pennsylvania)... Unless you plan on camping for more than 3 days... Then of course there are the usual permits required for mining, logging, and for any other special land uses... These Special Use Permits are all covered on the website: http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/

I was keeping the cat out of the bag... until I got confirmation... for real from the NYDEC Enforcement Officer... Now the only ones who know are the geocachers that read the forums... PLEASE... NO ABUSE OF THIS PRIVALEDGE!!! Remember... we are guests here! It will be reviewed periodically!!! NYDEC has given us this privaledge... it is not a given RIGHT! No abuse... don't think if NYADMIN aproves it, it is OK... If you have any qualms... DON'T do it!

Points to remember... Do not flood an area with caches, unless they are along a trail and related... Minimal bushwacking... and don't step on the salamanders! (sort of like Tanger Mall in Riverhead, heh, JMBella?) You know what I mean... It's all common sense... The Guy I spoke to in Fulton County was actually excited that a group as large as we are was going to be involved, in a positive way, in Adirondack Park... (he's been on the website and may be a cacher himself? who knows?) Sooooo now it is up to us to prove him right! Maybe the National Park System will come to the same conclusion one day???!!! Probably too much to ask for??? Who knows??? Everyone said NY would NEVER relent???!!!

GIDYYUP!!! I just got VERBAL confirmation (phone call about 30 mins ago) from the FULTON County Enforcement Officer for the DEC in NY... (previous calls were unanswered, or given a blanket NO... due to lack of understanding of just what I was talking about)... The NYDEC state lands (in this case Adirondack Park, but it includes ALL DEC Lands in NY) are now OK for Geocaching... PROVIDING... On an ongoing basis... That Geocaching does not prove to be detrimental to their goals or the environment!!! (i.e. if an area is closed to everyone... then obviously it is closed to us, don't just leave it up to NYADMIN to approve or not, use common sense)... THIS IS HUGE!!! It opens up vast amounts of acreage to us! PLEASE... BE RESPONSIBLE!!! ... nobody abuse this privaledge!!! (this statement put in as a disclaimer, I know you are all responsible)... Do not place caches far off trails that require a lot of bushwhacking or in wetlands or in envronmentally sensitive areas... or flood an area with caches (although, as per my conversation... a number along a particular trail is OK, providing they are welL spaced and unobtrusive).... If you bring trash out... write on the trash bags that it was a geocacher that brought it out! Become involved! LET THEM KNOW BY THE TRASH BAGS... WE'VE BEEN HERE!!! and do bring out trash! Let them know we are more responsible than the majority of land users! They now (kind of) understand what we stand for(and do) and are willing to work with us... It is now up to us to prove to them that we are, in fact, as responsible as we claim... The effects of Geocaching is now something they will be reviewing periodically... so the priveladge is NOT set in stone forever! Cache wisely! GIDYYUP!!!

Add Deb & my congrats to that! We just past the 1/2 way mark (250) to your accomplishment this past weekend at TRL's Caching event!!! Such a long way to go, but time flies fast!!! BUT we only started with Briansnat's Swamp Thing Cache on 11/24/02... (that cache hooked us, and it's only 1.5 miles from home... Thanks Brian, because of YOU... our neglect of yard work has gone unchecked ever since!)... PBS, Brian & Deb

It'll just be Deb & myself from Peconic Bay Sailors...BUT I posted a note on the LIGO site (LI Geocaching)... and looks like a few from the Island will be attending...

Hey Phonedave... If you want to meet some really fun and nice cachers... come to Team Rampant Lion's Caching Event on Dec 4th on the banks of Lake Mohawk... You'll meet cachers from all walks of life and I can guarantee a good time ... We started going to the NE caching events last summer and now will only miss one if other commitments ruin our day... Or we have a sailboat race ... sailboat racing is the only sport that takes prescidence over caching for us ... And... yes... that's our boat in our avatar... for anyone wondering why sailing is first for us... a lot more $$$ invested!

JMB... Actually the way it was worded in the article, I think, was "Public Lands" ... But, all we can do is hope the Town of Riverhead deals with it and drastically cuts down on the areas destroyed... As stated previously (by balckbuck) in this area there is about 4-6" topsoil & then sand... It does not take much here to start an erossion nightmare...

Actually JMB... it IS legal to ride ATV's in Riverhead Town still... on state & town property... As a matter of fact the Suffolk Times had an atrilce in this weeks issue... They are trying to enact a law now...

One more to log... this one is by stayfloopy... taken in the area of our ""Jaws III" cache in Greenport, NY...

Thanks to whomever fixed my finger fart in the Post Title...

One of the funniest I've ever read... from our now archived "Six of one, Half Dozen of the other" cache... " August 5, 2003 by The BeeGees (175 found) The following is an example of why it's important to properly plan your caching trip. I saw this new cache pop up today and thought it would be a good one to try at lunchtime. I chose the Meyersville Rd. entrance and parked at the end of the cul de sac. It had rained the night before and the hike in started to get pretty muddy. Guess I should have worn boots today. Eventually the trail got dryer and became quite nice. The black eyed susans were a nice suprise. As I walked deeper into the woods, the bugs started to become intense. Guess I should have worn insect repellent today. As I glanced down at my GPS I noticed another potential problem. Low battery. I turned off the GPS to save my last bit of juice. After 10 minutes of walking and swatting flies, I turned it back on. Dang, overshot it. I walked back a little ways and found a break in the thorn bushes to start my bushwack. Easily found the cache in the described location. As I reached for it, a snake dropped from the branch beside me. It was just a harmless garter snake but it made me lose my balance and get mud on my work pants. Oh Well. As soon as I opened the cache box the heavens opened up and it started to pour. I mean really pour. Guess I should have worn a raincoat today. I quickly tossed in my plastic praying mantis, scribbled my name in the log book and replaced the cache. Now all I have to do is run .75 miles in the pouring rain. I started out in a jog but quickly realized the futility of it. I was already soaked to the bone. At least the rain washed the mud off my pants. I actually enjoyed the wet walk back. When I reached the end of the trail, the formerly muddy areas were now ankle deep. I poured myself into the car totally drenched. The last time I got this wet was when I fell in the swamp at BrianSnat's BOLP III cache. The good news is that; the rain kept the bugs away, I have a spare set of clothes at the office (kept for just this such of geocaching emergency) and I was first to find. First is Fun but Dry is desireable. Thanks Peconic Bay Sailers for the interesting afternoon in a neat section of the greatswamp."

Picture required to log "Little Gull Island" cache (but you must have your GPS'r in the shot)... Entrance to LI Sound (right side of pic) from Block Island Sound (left of lighthouse)... New York...

Near North Light cache Block Island, RI...

Lighthouse near the Location of Cedar Point Mystery cache Sag Harbor, NY

The one that got away from AVROAIR... "Missed it by |<=>| much" Ball Clock in Port Authority NY...

I think the jist of the problem is: Things allowed in the Park (the short list): Camping with fires... Hunting including the building of blinds and deer stands... ATV's and Snowmobiles that transport the people who leave all those beer cans in the woods (ever wonder how ALL those beer cans can end up in one spot so far from the nearest road? They weren't carried in on people's backs)... not to mention the noise polution... Fisherman who leave balls of tangled fishing line around to strangle birds... Jeep roads that have piles of tires at the end of them that someone just wanted to get rid of... and all the rest of the people who trash the park... (I'm not trying to say everyone trashes the park, but there must be quite a few! beacuse there is a lot of garbage out there) Not Allowed????: A well hidden geocache containing trinkets... sought after a group of people who will (and do) clean up after themselves and the other not so thoughtful visitors... a geocache with an identifyable owner... I'm not advocating banning any of the activities listed above... although an enforcement of the ban on ATV's at the very least would be an improvement... Just don't carpet ban a benign (and in most cases beneficial) sport like geocaching... It makes no sense...

Mmmm... we placed our Creekside Cache last year with no problems... it's well within the park on the trail to Hope Falls... and our son has placed a cache at Hope Falls... still no problem... I was wondering when this all started? It must be new... we know a lot of people who have caches within the park... It really sucks... Don't the people who administer these parks realize that GeoCachers probably do more good, by removing trash, than most visitors who leave their trash? (Deb is fanatical about taking trash out)... If the arguement is liability... then why not require everyone who visits, hikes, camps... to have insurance???!!! We are just talking about valueless trinkets in a box here!!!! Thanks Brian for the contact... NFA...

Check with stayfloopy... he's lately been adding his tracking maps to the caches he's been finding... VERY KEWL...

Heard a rumor that new caches are not being approved inside Adirondack SP in NY??? Is this true? If it is it's a shame... that excludes like 15% of NY State and probably some of the best places in NY to put a cache... We own property & a house within the Park, and from what I've heard that makes no difference... Does anyone else know of this and/or the reasons why? Sorry for the misspelling in the post title... seems I can't fix it... I meant Adrondack SP...

Treasure Falls, Wolf Creek Pass, Colorado...

I'd also like to see a feature for a particular major route... i.e. the NY Thruway...

Way to go Brian!