Bubba Louise

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quote:Originally posted by Trudy & The Beast:It occured to me that the liar frequently accuses others of lying, the philanderer points to others indiscressions and the cheater seems to find fault with the way others play the game. I do have direct evidence of a number of people in my area of behaving in ways that I would consider cheating. I don't consider this game a competition, however, I believe that others do. It seems nonsensical to me that people involved in an activity that involves only personal reward would resort to measures that are likely to work directly against that personal reward. I have not sought out this evidence. The information is obvious when you look at certain cache pages. While I considered providing answers to my own questions, I thought that it might skew the answers of the repondents. I undertook this entire discussion for my personal edification. If others choose to draw some benefit, great. If some take offense, I will not feel guilty for that. I never accused you or anyone else here of cheating. In light of your own statement, I don't think you can say the same.

quote:Originally posted by brdad:Does anybody really think that anyone that cheats would post to this thread and admit it? I'd sooner bet, if they posted to the thread at all, they would not answer even one of the questions. Well, there have been nearly 10 people to view this thread for every 1 that posted a response. If you are correct and we (innappropriately) assume that those non-posters are guilty, the number of unethical geocachers is really bad. I don't assume that there are really that many bad ones, I do think that self reflection is often a good thing for all of us. Anyone have a suggestion to sample the population anonymously? If I post this thread as a poll, are the responders able to indicate their answers anonymously?

Never said I didn't like the sport. I am simply interested in why someone that chooses such an individualized sport would behave in such an irrational manner. As for the number of posts, I think you'll find that it does change, each time I post. Are you a little too interested in numbers??? Please try to stick to the topic.

This came directly from the user profile of one geocache hider: "I don't believe in giving seekers the coordinates to the cache on the first take...but rather test your compass and pacing skills to find the treasure." In the case of one particular cache placed by this person, the coordinates were initially deliberately wrong by approximately 80 feet and a clue stated the cache was place 12 feet above a drainage when it was actually only 6 feet. When the hider was called on this by another angry cacher, the coordinates were changed and the above statements were removed from the profile. The errant "12 foot" clue remained. The hider also deleted the post by the angry cacher. In my book, the above statement would be perfectly acceptable if there was additional information to allow the use of compass and pacing. It is fine to make a cache as difficult as you wish, but it must be fair. I think this may be the worst, but perhaps the least frequent, form of unethical behavior for geocachers.

>>My theory is that regular forum posters are not a good sample for a survey on these questions. You learn the etiquette of caching by reading the forums, asking questions, and watching cheaters get bashed.>> So, are forum posters more or less ethically correct that the average cacher. From my review of cache pages and users, a large proportion have some serious ethical problems. >>I try to follow the consensus views stated in the forums about what is acceptable.>> >>...I attribute the double finds, unlogged not-founds, finds on your own cache, etc., to ignorance rather than poor ethics.>> Come on, nearly everyone responding has claimed to be innocent, yet the real world of geocaching reflects the opposite. I would assume that the frequent posters are also frequent cachers. Your statement sugggests that these experienced folks have a corner on what is right or wrong. We ALL know that many of the behaviors I described are simply cheating. We don't need an EXPERT to tell us. Yet, I also find that some of the biggest cheaters are those hardcore cachers. Perhaps, there is a link between the number of caches claimed and the likelihood of cheating. I mean there seems to be some drive in those people with massive numbers of found caches, maybe that drive pushes them to the point of unethical behavior.

While I agree with you Trudy, I find extensive evidence that others don't. If you look at other people's Found list, you will find multiple listings of a single cache. Also, I have been told by experienced cachers that some people don't like to report DNFs. Help me understand why (how do they benefit from these behaviors). [This message was edited by Bubba Louise on January 07, 2003 at 09:38 AM.]

Trying to determine how prevalent cheating is in the geocaching world. Please comment on whether you do any of the following, and why: - When revisiting a previous find, you log it AGAIN as a find (not just post a note). - You log caches that you haven't actually found. - If you fail to find a cache, you DON'T post a "Couldn't Find" or you post a note blaming your failure on other factors. - When creating a cache you post incorrect coordinates or some other misleading clues. - You contact the cache owner for special help in finding the cache. Why???? Please be honest. It is my distinct impression that these practices are very common. Am I wrong? Do you know of others that cheat? [This message was edited by Bubba Louise on January 07, 2003 at 09:19 AM.]

Found a cache that was (unbeknownst to us) being used as part of another multi-part cache, which had a goal of finding a hidden $100 bill. One of my kids took $1.50 from the cache the other a deck of cards. When we got home, he opened the cards a found $101 dollars hidden inside! It was only our 5th cache find. I imagine the hardcore cachers searching for the $100 bill were pretty upset!