Too Tall John

I'm working on one for next April! I have a couple caches that involve Nuts. R U Nuts & Still Nuts. The new one will be "Mixed Nuts", since that is the container I've found, although I have seen the Peanut Brittle ones somewhere. Of course, they won't see the "Mixed Nuts" container until it is too late, they'll be distracted by another kind of "Mixed Nuts"... I mention I have a Nut theme going, I forgot to mention I've got an April Fools' series going, too: April Fooling, The Ultimate Altoids Tin Cache, Swedish Fish & To Want To Force Heaven? Not!, and The Ultimate Film Canister Cache! JJC solved one of these just by looking at the title!

Like this one.Keep in mind (and I thought of this several hours after first reading your post) that the cache owner of the religious tract cache lives in a State where the reviewer allowed caches from all over the State, and in many cases well over 100 miles from the coordinates, to be incorporated into Geo-art in a lake, before being reprimanded by Groundspeak. It's a fact of life some reviewers are less strict than others, and an observation made by BrianSnat in the 3rd or 4th post to the thread. For example, If TTJ picked up that religious tract cache, and moved it 150 miles west into the Adirondacks, it ain't getting published. Just my opinion, of course. Who knows how appeals would react to TTJ's cache if it were originally rejected somewhere.I'm sorry, what's the agenda of that cache, other than to talk about a type of swag one might find in a cache? I edited what I wanted to say pretty brutally before I submitted the cache for the review process, which by the way, included a vetting by other reviewers than just NHPride.

I'm perfectly happy offering hints on my caches, I like the interaction. I think the only cache I'd refuse a hint for is this one.

Looks like they are there now.

Fine. The reviewers/Groundspeak CYA'ing is still not the same as implying that an experienced hider isn't following/doesn't know the guidelines. It is just that: CYA'ing. Or is that CingYA?

Just reviewed the thread again, and everybody who is up in arms are overlooking something as far as I can tell. One of the stated reasons for the questions is not, in fact, to make sure you are following the rules. It is to be held as a Reviewer Note that can be referred to in the future should a question of permission and/or "suspicious packages" ever be brought up by LEO/TPTB (local, not Groundspeak!). Most forum dwellers know that Reviewer Notes aren't Deleted, but Archived, so can be seen by TPTB (Groundspeak!). Stop feeling insulted/entitled and start being proactive. Answer the %#@^% questions so the bomb squad doesn't have to blow your cache to smithereens. Or go take your toys and play in someone else's sandbox. Not even my three-year-old thinks that's a good idea. Hmm... "Smithereens" is recognized by my spellcheck as a word. Hrm... "Spellcheck" isn't.

So a doctor who has delivered hundreds of babies knows nothing about baby delivery ???????Sorry, but an active cacher who has hid hundreds of caches over 10 years knows what he's doing. Will the cacher ( or doctor) ever be perfect...no, but the boiler plate won't make it perfect either. Wrong question, wrong assumstion. Just because a doctor has "delivered hundreds of babies" doesn't mean he is 'up' on the newest research (I've been a first aider for many decades and have used CPR in the field, but still needed training in the newest techniques). So, it's not that he (doctor/hider) "knows nothing about ...", it's whether he is adhering to the lastest and best standard.Not only that, but the entire analogy is skewed. A doctor has proof that they have the knowledge necessary to deliver a baby: at least a couple Diplomas and at least one Licence. This situation is more like someone claiming to be a doctor because they have been in a delivery room hundreds of times. It doesn't mean they have any knowledge of what might go wrong, or what to do about it. They might, but they might not. Even if the OP is a "Doctor" of hiding caches, what doctor do you know would get upset at the pharmacy when they have to sign the "I refuse consultation from the Pharmacist" agreement? Just do it and be done. If the doctor has too much pride to admit that they don't know the side effects of the drug, that's their problem. In the same way, guidelines infractions that (in my opinion) are why this whole issue came up, are the problem of the OP. Edit: I'll let this post stand, but it'll make more sense knowing I didn't notice there was a second page. Oops... A geocacher who has cached ACTIVELY for 10 years and hidden HUNDREDS of caches during this period of time knows how to hide caches.If they don't, who would.....you may as well through everyone under the bus. Your first statement isn't necessarily true. To answer the question of if not a 10 year cacher with hundreds of hides, who would know how to hide a cache: Anyone who read and understood the guidelines/knowledgebooks. Your suggestion that everyone get through[sic] under the bus appears to be the direction Groundspeak is going, if the part Downy288 left out in the OP about this becoming a standard set of questions is true.

Yes, solve all the puzzles within 2 miles, or send a note to your reviewer with a set of coords you want to use before you do all the legwork, ask them if it's a clear spot. You aren't in NH, are you? If so, just send the note, the Snoopy Series is almost all outside the 2 mile range usually adhered to for puzzle caches. Way outside.

So a doctor who has delivered hundreds of babies knows nothing about baby delivery ???????Sorry, but an active cacher who has hid hundreds of caches over 10 years knows what he's doing. Will the cacher ( or doctor) ever be perfect...no, but the boiler plate won't make it perfect either. Wrong question, wrong assumstion. Just because a doctor has "delivered hundreds of babies" doesn't mean he is 'up' on the newest research (I've been a first aider for many decades and have used CPR in the field, but still needed training in the newest techniques). So, it's not that he (doctor/hider) "knows nothing about ...", it's whether he is adhering to the lastest and best standard.Not only that, but the entire analogy is skewed. A doctor has proof that they have the knowledge necessary to deliver a baby: at least a couple Diplomas and at least one Licence. This situation is more like someone claiming to be a doctor because they have been in a delivery room hundreds of times. It doesn't mean they have any knowledge of what might go wrong, or what to do about it. They might, but they might not. Even if the OP is a "Doctor" of hiding caches, what doctor do you know would get upset at the pharmacy when they have to sign the "I refuse consultation from the Pharmacist" agreement? Just do it and be done. If the doctor has too much pride to admit that they don't know the side effects of the drug, that's their problem. In the same way, guidelines infractions that (in my opinion) are why this whole issue came up, are the problem of the OP. Edit: I'll let this post stand, but it'll make more sense knowing I didn't notice there was a second page. Oops...

As a Devout Agnostic and collector of Chick tracts that my car (sporting a Darwin fish) seems to attract, I would love a cache like that especially later in the year when the bug population is down and the weather is cooler so I could spend some time there. BTW- Where the heck was I when this thread got started? Looks like this is its third time around and I just now found it. IMO-Anyone that would be offended by this cache isn't secure in their own beliefs. I'll trade you some GOOHF cards for some Chick Tracts.

Soo... Summer happened. It's the busy time for my job. Add to that the new responsibilities I've had since my wife and I became foster parents, and this cache took a bit of a back burner position. The cache is out, the writeup coplete, and I'm told it's in queue to be published in the morning. Thanks to NHPride, my local reviewer, and all the other reviewers who took a look at it! The Ultimate Tract Cache

I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.Drat! Foiled again I was just airing my skepticism of the link to one of the oodles and oodles of random "legal expert" sites. It actually makes sense what the article is saying. After all that, in the interest of full disclosure, I might have a geocache hanging in a tree in my back yard... But to say for sure might spoil the fun.

That doesn't sound like a firm answer to me.In the context of the rest of the article, it sounded pretty definitive to me. Reading the first paragraph, which is where I learned in grade school to put the main idea of my essay, one finds: I'd bet on this piece of legal advice looooong before I'd take sides with Snoogans and the Goat on their cockamamie scheme.

If you ask Groundspeak, bus stop caches are allowed. They put one in the Adventure Maze!

Someone else said it already, but it bears repeating: Get Help. A marriage counselor will help both you and your wife find some middle ground. An objective eye and sympathetic ears will help both of you in this time of crisis. If not for you, then for the kids. In the meantime, you are in my thoughts and prayers. By the way, I've found that getting out in the woods for a good cry to be rather therapeutic. I had a major change in my employment situation a while back. Went for a hike & cried almost the whole way. Found a great place to hide a cache, too...

Did you include the final location in your waypoints so the reviewer can be sure it isn't too close to another cache? Heeft u ook de laatste plaats in uw waypoints, zodat de recensent kan er zeker van zijn dat het niet te dicht bij een andere cache?

I just looked at a 1.5 mile section of the AT that has 9 caches along it. Maybe the Live Free or Dieers here in NH told the ATC to go pound sand? Granted, 3 of these are park-and-grab types along roads that are also the AT, but...

It relies heavily on rocket science, though. How else did all those satellites get up there? And no, don't get them any more pens!!! I'm assuming that a series of caches ending with "Papermate #5" means they had too many pens to start with.

Is there such a thing as a can-un-opener?

So, something like this? Label artwork has probably changed... After reading a recently closed thread, I did a little research, and apparently the OCB is copyrighted as "sculpture/3-D artwork" so using a not-rusty can would be both more accurate and less likely to be considered a copyright infringement. That is, assuming Dave Ulmer doesn't hold the rights to the contents in general...

As far as I can tell, a rusty can of beans cannot be copyrighted. What can be copyrighted is the picture of the COB. Simple solution? Get your own photo of the COB (or a photo taken by someone who will give you permission to use it). Only problem with Brian's idea, if you really want to worry about copyright, is that the label on the beans (peas) is a trademark. Not that I think the company'd do anything about it, but technically...

Wow, I guess that answers my questions. I'm appalled to hear that a cacher decided it was ok to remove someone else's letterbox. For someone who plays a game that relies on people returning a cache to where they found it, it seems a cacher should recognize that removing a container is A Big No-No. How would they feel if a letterboxer were to go out, remove all their caches, and replace them with letterboxes? You are very kind to work with this cacher, especially in considering making a hybrid with them. Very kind indeed. I'd be less kind. Although I suppose if there is any hope of your stamp being returned, it doesn't lie in being uncooperative and doing things like reporting the cacher as a thief to the local reviewer.

GC3G9H4 TBWS [5]http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=6c12260e-b8c5-4956-a5d7-dc3bba7fbf7f B. Hmm... So, the cache owner reports the cache MIA the same day that the Letterbox Owner reports the cache is in the spot where their LB was? Did someone get smart and decide to switch containers? Looking at the maps, can the LB owner verify that this cache is where it was supposed to be, or was it somewhere else? Which leads me to believe that a cacher moved/took it That's not cool, I'm sorry about that.Not sure what leads you to believe that a cacher moved the box. Where was the LB found?

That is not entirely true. It only stops someone from listing a geocache on geocaching.com within 161 meters of that location.Is that better?

For anyone else who scratched their heads when they read the OP, have another cup of coffee and then read it again, with the "superscript" tags used.