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I loved the 'crusty twinkie' part mostly I agree with you that a cache should contain somewhat interesting stuff. Doesn't have to be valuable, just thoughtful... For me, it's the hunt that is the coolest part. For all I care, I'd be satisfied if caches only contained logbooks. The rest is gravy. When I trade, it's usually because I find something that would interest my 2.5 year old son. Otherwise, I just leave my signature item and sign the logbook.

Except that the coords were off by more then 50 feet. It was a 3.5 difficulty with very many potential hiding places. I found it thanks to the hint and a 2nd trip to the cache. I would have never requested for the cache to be archived, however, I did post the coordinates that I recorded when I logged my find on the site. Hopefully, this will help the next cacher out, and if that happens often, I hope that the cache owner will notice the pattern and will update the page.

Pickled eggs!?!

quote:Squirrel Nut wrote: At the very least, you'll start to (hopefully) develop the 'force', and can maybe avoid 'obvious' signs when you place your caches. Man, that is so true! I've hidden 8 caches so far and I can say that it has helped me to 'see' the world in a different way when I go after a cache. What 'Squirrel Nut' called the 'Force' is for me the ability to constantly ask yourself 'where and how would I hide it if I were to place one here?'. It's amazing how often the answer to this question ends up yielding the cache. IMHO, I believe that hiding caches as you increase your find count is just being fair otherwise, there's no game possible. And in areas that are relatively bare, it just seems to be the right thing to do.

Brian, I'm so glad you've started this thread I hope that others follow. All of my caches are compatible with snow: Analyze This! The Arsenal Kids' GEO-Graphics Temple de l'Amour (Temple Of Love) The Bookworm Exchange Working On The (Key)Chain Gang NanoTek Wired!

I am satisfied with the software as well. While it's not always as accurate as I would like it to be, it does get the job done. The thing that I wish that Magellan/Thales would add is the ability to see trails. It would really help when caching sometimes.

IMHO, I believe that the COG (course over ground)has nothing to do with your issue. On the other hand, I'd check out the following options in the menu: MENU -> Map Setup -> Orientation MENU -> Setup -> North Reference MENU -> Setup ->Compass Orientation Depending on how you combine them, you will get 'weird' bearings or the compass will only work if you have set a waypoint or will only work if you're moving or will behave like a normal compass. Fabien.

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quote:Originally posted by: Mopar Well, thats how I read this: quote: Originally posted by -=(GEO)=-: Here, I made a request to cache owners for some info that I believe can be pertinent. You don't have to do anything about it if you don't like it. I take that to mean if I don't like your request, instead of saying something, I should just do nothing. Ok. You misread this statement. What I meant was: if as a cache owner you disagree with a request for more info about your caches, then you certainly don't have to change/do a thing to the cache description.

quote:Originally posted by Mopar: Again, I say that is only insulting if it isn't true. It may be a cheap shot, it most certainly was off topic, but it most certainly is a fact. I checked the logs and you're right that's a fact. However, knowing Brogan personally, I don't believe that this was intentional. quote:Originally posted by Mopar: I'm not asking you to agree with that, but I'm not asking you not to voice your opinion because you don't agree with mine. Hue? Where and when have I asked you not to express your opinion?

To request: Function: transitive verb Date: 1533 1 : to make a request to or of 2 : to ask as a favor or privilege 3 obsolete : to ask (a person) to come or go to a thing or place 4 : to ask for To demand: Function: verb Etymology: Middle English demaunden, from Old French demander, from Medieval Latin demandare, from Latin, to entrust, charge, from de- + mandare to enjoin -- more at MANDATE Date: 14th century intransitive senses : to make a demand : ASK transitive senses 1 : to ask or call for with authority : claim as due or just 2 : to call for urgently, peremptorily, or insistently 3 a : to ask authoritatively or earnestly to be informed of b : to require to come : SUMMON 4 : to call for as useful or necessary - de·mand·able /-'man-d&-b&l/ adjective - de·mand·er noun synonyms DEMAND, CLAIM, REQUIRE, EXACT mean to ask or call for something as due or as necessary. DEMAND implies peremptoriness and insistence and often the right to make requests that are to be regarded as commands . CLAIM implies a demand for the delivery or concession of something due as one's own or one's right . REQUIRE suggests the imperativeness that arises from inner necessity, compulsion of law or regulation, or the exigencies of the situation . EXACT implies not only demanding but getting what one demands . What was the subject of the topic again?

And looking forward to meeting other local cachers.

If not, you certainly should before asking for the cache to be archived.

quote:one last thing Hey Geo, do you remember this thread? This cache is dangerous and illegal How could I forget it? That was such a pleasant introduction to the forums quote:Some guy hid a cache that wasn't "dumbed down". It sounds like it was a good cache, a clever cache, that presented a challenge to access it. Yup, and it still is. quote:The same people that you think are criticizing and insulting you now, jumped to defend that guy and his choice of hiding location and cache page layout back then. Remember that, Geo? I sure do remember that Mopar and I also recall that your comments were never insulting. Maybe you can explain where this came from then? quote:Originally posted by: Mopar Sounds like the kinda guy who would log finds on his own caches too. I also remember that that thread started out for 2 reasons: the fact that I had -no- finds when I placed it and that the placement of the cache was *assumed* to be illegal by some folks, because w/o any finds of course, I could not possibly know what I was doing Here, I made a request to cache owners for some info that I believe can be pertinent. You don't have to do anything about it if you don't like it. I won't feel offended. And I certainly don't expect any guaranteed satisfaction from any cache. quote:It goes both ways, hiding and finding, whichever side of the fence you're on, the rules haven't changed. Agreed.

quote: I really do want to understand you ... The feeling is mutual quote:precisely how far down how many "one lane roads that haven't seen a snowplow in 24 hours" would you need to traverse, and how many state troopers, who were apparently investigating reports of your unusual (for the area you were in, at the time you were there) activities, would you need to send into ditches prior to deciding not to continue under the current conditions? About the cop thing: We went hiking on a public trail used by cross-country skiers and snowmobiles, looking for a good (and legal) spot to place a night-only cache. The weather conditions were just fine: very little wind, no falling snow and not too cold either. Even had a bit of moonlight. The trail head was at the end of a private road (we were not parked there, just walked to the trail head). One of the people living off of that road called the cops because he felt we should not have been there (even though we actually spoke to that same guy earlier). The cop got himself into the ditch driving up the guy's driveway. We spoke with the cop, explaining what GeoCaching was about and we were on our way w/o any trouble. Turns out we did not place the cache because the woodlands were all posted. About the rest: From there, we decided to go for a cache nearby. The road leading to it was not freshly plowed, but nothing unusual around these parts. After all, this is back country and even suburban areas often look the same way around here. It's only when we reached the parking coordinates provided on the cache page that we realized that the cache was inaccessible and would likely be so until spring. That was all for that night of 'wild-foolhardy-extreme-geocaching' I've hit a few other caches in that same area and some owners -do- disable their caches when the conditions become impossible, others -do- indicate whether they are winter-accessible, yet others go as far as making winter versions of theirs. Some others couldn't care less, hence my request. To me, this courtesy extended to other cachers is akin to 'seasonal' cache maintenance.

quote: Actually, I asked a very simple question: Are you fellows local cachers, and were you aware of the general conditions in the area? That's 2 questions. 1. We're relatively local (less than 50 miles). 2. No, we were not aware of the conditions otherwise we would not have gone there at all. quote: Your failure to answer those two most basic questions said all I needed to know to determine the accuracy of my statement you chose to quote. Here you go again.

quote:Originally posted by: BassoonPilot So naturally you blame the cache owner for your foolhardiness. So now, people who enjoy snow/night caching only demonstrate their foolhardiness? quote:Originally posted by: Mopar Sounds like the kinda guy who would log finds on his own caches too. You're both very quick to pass judgement and you're both insulting. It's too bad because with your respective experience of the game, you should be able to provide constructive input. Instead, you resorted to just about anything to put the last word in, turning a polite request into a 'blame' of cache owners. And when I read over your posts in this thread, the word 'obtuse' comes to mind.

quote: Not every cacher WANTS to be told where to park, what trail to take, and where to look. Some of us just want the coordinates and very little else. You're dadgum right! And I am proud to be one of them, newbie or not. quote:If you don't like a certain type of cache, if its too hard for you to figure out where to park, or what time to go, skip over that cache. Please don't try and turn every cache out there into a 1/1, there's plenty enough already. Wow! Cool your jets a second. Who said anything about turning every cache into a 1/1? Certainly not me! Maybe twisting things around is your thing but it's not mine. Try nuances.

I understand your point of view but I don't believe that saving 5 minutes of web searches to -every- cacher would be detrimental to the quality of the cache itself and would certainly not 'dumb down geocaching'. We're not talking about solving cache puzzles here but avoiding redundancy. And no, there's no gun pointed to anyone's head here, but not every area is as cache-rich as yours either and that does limit the options quite a bit, expecially in areas where the winter conditions can extend well into April. Maybe it's just me (and granted, I'm a newbie) but when I do place a cache, I try to be aware of such parameters. I don't feel that it costs me an arm and a leg to add a hint or a tidbit of info when needed either. After all, the purpose of a cache is to be found, isn't it? So why make it impossible regardless of the level of the seeker?

You're right to HIDE them well and I bet that your difficulty / terrain ratings reflect that and you have the decency to indicate when a cache is closed for the winter. I would not ask for more.

Unless the hider ignores the notifications from the cache logs, he should know about the conditions.

With all due respect, a 'little thought' just does not cut it when you cannot see the features of the terrain anymore. Most of my finds have taken place this winter, most of which were in the snow, and I can assure you that finding a flat tupperware under 2-3 feet of frozen, rock hard, snow covered, uniform terrain and a bouncy GPS signal will require a phone call or two to the 'psychic network'

With all due respect, a 'little thought' just does not cut it when you cannot see the features of the terrain anymore. Most of my finds have taken place this winter, most of which were in the snow, and I can assure you that finding for a flat tupperware under 2-3 feet of frozen, rock hard, snow covered, uniform terrain and a bouncy GPS signal will require a phone call or two to the 'psychic network'

On many occasions, I went looking for a cache only to find that the park was closed after dark or that the cache was inaccessible because of the snow. I don't have a problem with any of these conditions but I could not help thinking to myself that the person who hid the cache should have indicated that the park would be closed after dark or would have temporarily disabled the cache for the winter or provided a 'winter version' of it or even just enough hints to help locate it under 2-3 feet of the white stuff. I know that a new set of attributes are supposed to show up at some point on the cache pages which will help a great deal, but in the meantime, a few extra lines of text would be really helpful and greatly appreciated.

quote: None of this would happen if weed were decriminalized. Yes, it would. There would still be those growers who would not want to pay the taxes that, most likely, would be imposed on legal marijuana. These growers would continue to set traps in their fields to hurt, maim or kill tax-agents or thiefs from getting their crops. Jeff http://www.StarsFellOnAlabama.com http://www.NotAChance.com If you hide it, they will come.... As unfortunate as it is, there will always be criminals out there. IMHO however, their numbers would drop dramatically with decriminalizing the stuff, don't you think? And that, in my book, would be a victory. How often do you hear about rogue tobacco growers, rogue booze distilleries, etc... trying to evade taxes by setting booby traps? I certainly never have. I believe that the same would apply to marijuana. In the large majority of cases, it would just be more profitable to work with the government than against it. A cache a day keeps the blues away...