LionsLair

I've got one Beverly... maybe 2... not sure which metal(s)... I'll bring them to Rome next week for you to have a looksy...

nice! ... Are they designed to hold a pathtag?

At best, all of these should be called "trackables" ...calling any of these "geocoins" is absurd... Interest in geocoins decreased drastically when Groundspeak allowed these type "trackables" to be listed as "geocoins"

Congratulations to all who have recieved this great looking mystery coin... Some pics look different than others... Some silver, Some gold... Is it just my monitor, or are they done in different metals?

I'm sure I'll find a good reason to come crash your party for awhile... I'll be accompanied by my partner in crime and a couple others also...

while I'm impressed and patiently waiting to find out when these will be available... I've got a question though... Because these are Sherpa type coins and hold pathtags, will they come with a generic pathtag? Just looking for some clarification, as it seems some might be confused and are stating they want certain tags included with their coin(s)... I'm good though, as I was part of the vintage gas globe production and have most of them already....I just need the coins to highlight my collection now...

Helped immensely by JbBarret and fatkidsoftheworldunite mucho and many thanks! oops, no problem and thanks for the reminder Bryan, I need to get those packaged for you and out in tomorrows mail.... ugh, I'd forget my head some days.... will do that right away... glad when Mardi Gras is behind me, been a busy few weeks...

I'd like to see these done as a group project, much like the geo-guitars in '08... it's been many years since a good group project has been done...

although I'm very picky and choosey about which coins I add to my collection these days (recently dwindled roughly 3,000 coins to 400) I still lurk the forums from time to time to see what's new and even still purchase them on occasion... I quit coming here daily not because of fb, but because of my declining interest in coins (which btw came when everything from paper, aluminum, leather, and plastic started to get labeled a geocoin) It was about that same time I had my hand slapped by a moderator for expressing an opinion on the subject, so I just quit posting my opinion here and started posting it on fb where I don't have to walk on eggshells when I have an opinion... that's all.... carry on...

Groundspeak would have to hire a team to monitor the 4 million plus trackables that exist today... I don't see this happening. Not sure how many (if any) trackables get "locked" because of virtual discoveries, but I do know there are a couple groups and many individuals on social media that share their trackables and encourage everyone to discover them. Yes, its discouraged, but nothing in place to stop it from happening

a couple years ago I had bogus logs from Germany on a couple coins I've never shown anyone that were in a drawer for a couple years. I simply deleted them and moved on... virtual logging really gets my goat though. more recently, I had 65-70 bogus logs on my tattoo during GWXI when someone posted a pic of it on facebook and reddit. needless to say, I was a bit perturbed, said a few choice words, called the "photo" culprit everything but human, and deleted all logs from anyone that didn't attend GWXI... some of them were from overseas (Germany and Australia) many of the logs were much like drneal's and stated they saw it online. one logger had the gall to try and log it two other times after I deleted their first log. I see TB's and coins shared for virtual discovery everyday on facebook... the problem is too large for Groundspeak to control or monitor. It can only be controlled by the owner of the trackables by deleting bogus logs...

just when you thought the Geo Sashquatch had gone into hiding again, he has made an appearance in the West Central forest of Ga. in FDR state park! ...I was out hiking the pine mountain trail, hiding caches for the MEGA event in Oct and heard a rustle in the leaves and thought it was a deer... then I thought bear? buffalo? T-Rex?! as the ground shook and I heard the thunderous thumps and thuds of heavy hooves hitting the ground... After my heart started beating again and I regained my composure, I investigated a bit closer and came across these huge footprints and discovered this coin had been dropped! I scooped the coin up and high tailed it outta there before Geo-Sashquatch decided to return for it! totally awesome! Thanks for the great addition to my mystery coin collection!

Horsecrap. You might have expected everyone to move your bug on forever but instead you decided to delete the found-it log of those who did help it along. When I find your bug, I'll send you a note offering to mail it back to you. not exactly, but I did expect them to travel longer and further than they have... with 97% of my travelers MIA or STOLEN within the first year of release, It's my decision to continue or stop throwing good money towards a loosing battle... until something is done to educate newbies and the problems surrounding missing trackables are addressed, I choose to quit adding to someone elses pocket and keep what is in mine... If I were informed that on average 4 out of every 100 trackables continues it's journey for any length og time, I doubt I would have ever released my first TB... btw, you're entitled to your opinion... (or 21,200+ of them from what I see...) regardless, debating this isn't going to change my view of what to do with my TB's that are missing and I doubt I could say anything to change your view either... you do what you want with your travelers and I'll do what I want with mine...

it's your trackable, do with it as you wish... while I personally wouldn't delete logs on a trackable with a unique icon, or one with an extraordinary # of finds and/or milage. I did just deleted the logs from a generic TB that has been missing four years and only traveled 80 miles before it disappeared. I plan to re-releasing it soon with a proxy tag... I have about 18-20 others that I have the same issues with. One of which never even made it out of the first cache it was placed in before it disappeared over 3 years ago now... I realize folks frown on this, and it's a tough decision, but bottom line is it's my decision... it's my $100 or so bucks in tracking codes I invested in and I'm not going to invest another $100 for new TB's if the same thing is going to happen... with the $ I've invested over the years in coins, caches, swag, and TB's that go missing, I seldom release anything new into the game, so I'm recycling TB's that have been missing for years... I also realize the originals may show back up at some point, but after 3-4-5 years, the odds are against it....

I'm going to get on my soapbox a minute and get something off my chest that really gripes my tail... ...sharing tracking numbers with others through social media and email... Now I agree geocaching has something different for everyone and we all play the game differently. I really don't care what others do with their trackables. They bought them, they are theirs and if they want to risk having their trackables locked by Groundspeak by sharing them on social media sites like facebook or twitter, or where ever they please, that's their business. I don't agree with it and have never logged anyone's or shared mine through this manner. I constantly see tracking numbers being shared on a daily basis by some. If they want to log bogus trackable finds, or have others log their trackables that way, again not my concern, and I could care less. What does concern me though and does effect me is when my personal tracking numbers are being shared by someone that saw them at an event or wherever, and then decides to share them with others in this manner. I have recently had two trackables get several bogus logs by cachers that claim to have saw it but never did. One said "cool tat, saw it on facebook" Another said " thanks for sharing this lion icon on fb" ...others are simply "discovered" , or "thanks for sharing" Now I know for a fact I've never posted them there, and if I do/did I've always edited the tracking number out of the pics. Now I'm having to go through and see if the cachers that do discover these trackables have even remotely been anywhere near or attended an event I may have been at. I've deleted logs from several that have never been within 1000 miles of me the past week or so... I shouldn't have to police my trackables in this manner and delete bogus discoveries. While I realize there is little I can do to stop the practice of sharing tracking numbers with others. If I don't say anything at all, this will become the norm for more abuse and the practice will continue. Do what you want with your tracking numbers, but please leave me and mine out of you unethical practices and don't continue to post tracking numbers that don't belong to you! :mad: I feel violated! :mad: ok, I said my piece.... I'll get off my soapbox now...

along the same lines as the original topic... tb's and coins are being expoited and shared with the masses on fb as well. what I find sad is many of the followers of these pages either post tb/coin #'s for everyone to discover, or aide and abed this practice of virtual logging by discovering what they find in the posts... just another way to falsely inflate trackables in my opinion... todays' cachers seem to have very few scruples and moral character....

That's a BEAUTIFUL coin. How does one go about getting one of those? Email LionsLair and ask him. Now why didn't I think of that Thanks for the compliment! I'm sorry though, no commercialization here. I only trade face2face with people I actually meet and talk to, with an occasional one left in a cache, but it really has to wow me...

What's the one near the middle of the picture, with the flash reflecting off of it - just below that Greek Owl coin? I can identify it, although my picture taking abilities aren't much better....

I think it's great that the next Geowoodstock is going to be in Florida and given it's proximity to Orlando it might even entice a lot of geocaching families to combine a Disney vacation with Geowoodstock. I bet that I would have an easier time convincing my wife (and especially my son) to take a trip to Florida to attend Geowoodstock if it included a visit to Disneyworld. However, I hope that GS didn't use the fact Florida has the 2rd most caches of any state as a criteria for choosing the location. If someone chooses to attend GW in Florida because they can find a lot of caches I think they're really missing the point of attending a mega event. FYI.... GS didn't even know where it was being held until last week. Also the number of caches in the state was irrelevent in the decision. The location for GW is decided by the GW committee. ( group of original and previous hosts) The future locations of GW are closely guarded secrets among the GW committee. If you ever get a chance to attend GW, you will have to be present at the closing ceremonies for the unveiling of the next years event and you will understand what I mean and why it is such a closely guarded secret. BTW, as a member of the GW XI host committee next year, we hope you can attend and look forward to seeing everyone there!

the proof of ownership is in the tracking code on the coins that show in caches but aren't there. you're wrong with the use of the term "coin collectors". a better word and more appropriate is "thief". plane and simple they are stealing things that don't belong to them, so they are thieves. keeping the coin does them no good and only shows what low life scum they are. they can't show it off to anyone that might see the tracking code and try to log it,because it will show they are not the rightful owner. so ultimately they must keep the stolen coins to themselves and not show them off. this subject has been discussed many times around here... do a search for the word thief and an avalanche of threads on the subject will be at your disposal...

lol, drneal... I'm going through my coins now and may have some that you'ld be interested in. we should get together on this soon after GW next weekend... touching on the original subject again, I see and agree with much of what is being said, but I also disagree with some of it. I guess it boils down to personal opinions on the issue and that's what makes it great, we all have different views... While I enjoy collecting the coins and have sat up late and gotten up early many times for the F5 frenzies. I personally don't enjoy as many coins as I once did and my collection as grown to such a massive, out-of-control pile, that it's time to downsize it to something more controllable( 2-3 hundred )and let others enjoy them rather than them sitting around in drawers,shelves and closets. hell it took me 4 hrs to gather them all up to start sorting them! I never started this collection for the resale factor as some have suggested. I did it for the pure passion of collecting them. Anyone that has discovered my collection knows how passionate I once was about collecting them. I'm not desperate to sell them and I'm not looking for massive profits, but I can't see selling $20k worth of them for $10k either. If I can't sell them for what I have in them, then I'll sit on them and let my kids worry about them long after I'm dead and gone! I'm still beating several ideas through my head... I may try a little of everything... forum selling,ebay,silent auctions for the big events, hell I may even gift a few... once I finish going through them all I'll be sure and let the forum folks here know... BTW, Steve (six little spookies) if you read this before I get a chance to get up with you, I found a v1 nerd you may not have and may have more... I'll be in touch...

these are exactly the opinions I am looking for. some very interesting perspectives by many of the 'old schoolers', I'm glad I'm not alone with the way I think about geocoins for the most part. I see for the most part the general concensous is that when geocoins became more commercial and less personal, interest started to wain and take a different direction on what folks sought to add to their collections. It's easy to blame it all on the economic crisis we have all been in. But I feel that is an easy cop out for many. I agree it has had an impact on the sheer number of coins being produced, and it has changed some spending habits( ie, not buying every coin one sees) but for the average collector, finding $12 for that one 'must have' coin, is no different today than it was before the recession. I agree with Six little Spookies, it seems to be the same coins over and over again( mainly the commercial coins), and that was part of my point, they have no resale value and nobody is bidding on them, so why do they keep getting listed? I was amazed at one vendor that was buying from another vendor, a coin for $10 and selling it for $35. I'm not sure how often this goes on and I only payed attention to it because it was a coin design I helped with. I could almost understand if it were the LE coin that you can only get through me(shameless plug), but not one that was for commercial purposes. As far as I know it was relisted 6-8 times at the same high end price and it never sold from what I could tell( had it on my watch list several times) while I agree personals have started to disappear, like drneal stated, they are still out there, but not as advertised as they were in the past. I know of several that are for face2face trades only and not through the mail. And those are the coins that have a special meaning and story for me and will probably be the only coins I have around one day... while I'm on the subject of personals, I have to disagree with the way some think about coins taking a different design direction and not having anything to do with caching. IMHO, caching is not a neverending subject, and doesn't have enough subject matter to be expressed on every design. If every coin had to have a GPS and a compass rose on them, then the novelty of geocoins would have been expired in the first year. I mean hell, what does a FSM really have to do with caching? nothing, but it was a popular coin back when and it's one that still sells today. some folks prefer to stay within the caching theme, but to say that is a cause for loss of interest is far fetched at best. everyone has different interests, and prefer different subject matter (I can think of at least one that likes a dog theme ) basically I have figured out there are more commercial coins than the market demands (hence the reason coins aren't selling the way they used to at the eplace) and because of this interests have shifted to what appeals to the individual cacher. Also there is some decline in geocoin interest among the old timers... ....hhhmmm...

I'm curious what everyone's opinion is to whether or not they feel geocoin interests are declining, or are collectors just becoming more selective on what coins they pursue to add to their collections? I ask this because I have found myself as part of the latter group. Although I still purchase, trade and collect geocoins, I don't find myself ooohhing and aaawwing over every design. I've also found my collection to be too large to drag around to events the way I used to and have decided to start liquidating some of my 2000+ collection. So, being the research type of person, I went to the e-place and started looking at what is selling and what isn't. I was shocked at several things, first the number of coins being sold - I can remember when there were only 200-300 coins listed. Now there are some 1200-1400! Second was the number of coins listed that had zero or only 1 bid. Third I was surprised that many coins that are being bid on are not even fetching half of what they were once sold for when they first came out. This concerns me a bit, only because I'm not willing to sell a coin for $5 when it cost me $10 five years ago. I suppose there are those that will say "selling them for something is better than nothing..." but if I can't sell them for what I have in them, I would rather donate them to help with some of the larger events (GW,GCF,MWGB and such) I realize some coins are overproduced and the geocaching community is saturated with them, but I'd rather donate them than start them traveling only to be stolen( which BTW, I can officially say 100% of my 90+ travelers are now MIA and haven't been logged or discovered in over 6 months) So realeasing them in the wild is not an option... On the flip side of this, I also see some coins that are being sold for 8-10 times what they were when they made their debut to the caching world. Is this due to rarity or just overzealous bidders that must add the coin to their collection regardless of cost? I know geocoins have seen their day in the sun and the peak interest has been all but gone for several years now, but you would think even with the 1000's of design choices these days that there would still be a market for some of the coins produced a few years back with much smaller minting numbers than the coins minted now... opinions please...

tough question... the coolest coins I own are the personal coins I've traded face 2 face with or the few mystery coins that seem to find thier way into my mailbox. I put all of those in a seperate album that I intend to keep no matter what happens. If I ever decide to, or I'm forced to sell my 1200+ coins, I have about 20 or so that will stay with me...

nice... looks like another must have design...