GeoScooter1

I just wish I could get my geocoin to move in any direction!!! It was my first one and I placed in a cache in late October. It was picked up and placed in another cache and retrieved from there on November 17th and that has been it. I emailed the people in late December and asked if they could get it moving, he emailed that he would, and nothing has happened. Since he has now had it for 2 months, I emailed again today and gave him a po box # and asked if he could just mail it to me so I could get it moving.

Still waiting on mine. Seems the international orders have received theirs already.

There is a series of 11 caches on the Caddo River here Cachin' on the Caddo that I plan on doing when the weather warms up and we also get some water. There have only been a few finds on the whole series, but they weren't placed until last July when it was so hot and the water has probably been low since then. I also have an AquaPac that use to carry my GPS, cell phone, and keys in and it sure comes in handy.

Taken by my geocaching buddy at Lake Dardanelle State Park.

Still waiting on mine.

Try this site: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ Sometimes it doesn't do a great job, but it might help.

I ran into a similar situation myself recently. There was a cache with 1.5 Difficulty and a terrain of 2.5 in a park a few hours from my home area. We had spent a long, chilly and wet day caching and we were getting tired. We started to go after this one, but because of some prior problems with a few caches in the area, we pulled out the PDA to look at the latest logs. The last find was in late May and nothing but DNFs since. The last log was mid-December and asked if the cache was even there. We decided not to bother wasting our time on this one, but I did log a Needs Maintenance on this when I got home stating after seeing so many DNFs and no response from the caching owner, we didn't look because it appears to be gone. I received a nasty email from the owner saying that I was obviously too lazy and chicken to look for her cache, etc. She did send her husband out to check on it after that, however. At least the "Needs Maintenance" got the issue resolved of whether or not the cache was there. I am not sure the cache owner was going to be bothered with it until then.

I'll set one free in Little Rock, AR or maybe some other area in Arkansas.

I have Vista and GSAK and can do PQ with no problem. What is happening when you try to open the PQ in Gsak? When you download the PQ from the email, do you get an option to "Open With', and if you are , are you choosing GSAK? Have you tried right-clicking the zip file and choosing "open with Gsak"?

Or maybe they are using to somehow track their personal mileage when caching. My dog, Abbie, has a travel bug attached to her harness and I "take" it from a cache at my home coordinates I created that has never been published and I drop it into one of the caches that I found on a particular day and the log it back into my unpublished cache. I use this to track the mileage I am doing on any given day and for a total of all mileage. I didn't have the TB when I first started caching, but I have a pretty good record of my current caching mileage. Plus, if I ever meet anyone else out caching, they can "discover" Abbie's travel bug.

I have enjoyed the cemetery caches I have found, so far. Each of them has taken me to a really nice place and is usually a very old cemetery that has not been used in quite some time. All the caches have been around the edges or outside the cemetery, except for one that was part of a puzzle cache where you needed certain info from some of the headstones. The only part where I feel uncomfortable is when I have to walk across graves. I just always feel like it is impolite, but sometimes that is the only option.

I agree with you, in that I myself probably would not have placed those caches in the debris piles and would have preferred to put them someplace more pleasant nearby. A debris pile, however, is arguably a perfectly appropriate place for trash, especially if that’s where the land owner/manager dumps his debris. Your post sounds less like being concerned about trash, however, and more like imposing your aesthetic values on others. If the beer can you saw truly offended you in a visual or philosophical way in and of itself strictly because it was trash in an INappropriate place, then that is the factor that should have determined your choice whether to remove the cache. However if, as you say, you wish you’d removed it because “there were so many other nice areas where a cache could have been left,” then it sounds like you’re more interested in imposing your personal hiding style preference on others. If you think a cache should be placed in one of those other areas, nobody’s stopping you. Removing someone else’s cache simply because they didn’t adequately satisfy your personal taste, or because they didn’t put it in the location you would have chosen, is not the same as removing a cache for practical reasons. The beer can offended me because as far as I knew and was concerned, it was litter in an already littered place. I am not tryiing to impose my personal style on anything. I only meant that given a choice of hiding a cache in: 1. a litter-strewn area, or 2. an area that was not littered, why would anyone choose to hide it in the litter? Especially when the hider's cache description states this is a beautiful and scenic area. My decision at the time to NOT remove the cache after we accidentally discovered it was more out of a feeling that it would be like stealing once I knew what it was.

First off, how the heck do you get all of the different quotes into one post? I have yet to figure that part out. I do practice CITO as much as possible when I cache. We always have trash bags with us and have carried out large pieces of cardboard, etc for several miles when we have found trash. Sometimes, the items are too big or heavy, so they have to be left. In the case of my original post, we found the cache accidentally when it was kicked and we heard a clanging noise. This turned out to be the bison tube in the beer can. The beer can was used, I believe, because it is some kind of cool, collectible Daytona 500 beer can. It was not smashed, crushed, or anything. We were already picking up cans in the area while looking for the cache. Once we found the cache, we felt obligated to leave it. Now, I am not so sure that I would feel obligated to leave it anymore. I wasn't thrilled to be brought to a trash pile and was even less thrilled when it did turn out that the cache was part of the trash. There were so many other nice areas where a cache could have been left. One of the next caches we went to that was hidden by the same cacher took us to what I call a debris pile. We didn't even bother with this one and I did leave a note on the cache page that I don't look in places like this. As far as I could tell, I was the first to post anything about having to look in a debris pile. I suspect that some people may have just seen it and kept on going and never posted anything. Some people have found it and maybe they liked it, maybe they didn't and just didn't write a log about it. This pile contained large rocks, pieces of concrete, old tires and a large mound of dirt. We did not CITO this area. The sad part was that this was a cool location since it was an old rural fire department building and there were lots of other places to leave a cache.

You can always make a copy of the PQ and then run that one. The queue for PQs sets up with the latest run PQ going to the end of the line. Since you tried to run this one so soon after running it before, it was delayed. The copy, never having been run, will run right away. I will try that, thanks so much.

I tried to run a pocket query yesterday and while it showed that it did run, I never got it. I then discovered from reading the forums that Comcast had probably blocked it. I went in and changed my email to a yahoo account and tried to run it and never got it and it shows it didn't run except for the first time I tried it. This morning, I went to try and run it again and I get the message that it has been turned off. I really would like to run this since I have never received it and need it for this weekend. How do I get it turned back on?

Great!!! I have Comcast and just now noticed that my pocket queries have stopped arriving. I will call them and use that ticket number and see what happens. THANKS!

I have done it once and learned my lesson about marking my car. I also learned that same day to mark the trail if I am going to be wandering off it for any great length. I was caching in a large urban park one day with my dog this summer, and we had probably covered 5 miles on all of the intersecting trails. One of the caches was way off the trail and my GPS had me wandering around a bit, too. After finding the cache, I had no clue where the trail was! I finally did find it but had no clue where I was parked by now. I didn't have the tracking option set, so I just went back to the 1st cache I found. This got me close, but there were still lots of intersecting trails and I couldn't remember if I came in from the left, the right, or whatever. I just picked a trail and came out about a mile from the car. I sure was glad I found it, though.

I had this happen to me the other day, but since I still had the tracking code, I "grabbed" it back from the person, logged it into the cache where I left it, and then emailed the person who had "grabbed" it from my possession and told him to now take it from the cache. I had dropped the TB and this guy was probably just an hour or so behind me during the day, and I had a 2 hr. drive home when I was through caching before I could begin to log the caches. I would never grab a TB from somone's possession until at least a week had gone by and I had emailed them about it first.

Well, my original post sure do start a bunch of interesting discussions. I certainly do understand that some people may not be concerned or bothered about caches of this type, but I wonder how many have found caches that bothered them due to trash, location, or whatever and just either walked away or got the smiley and left a "TNLNSL" and the cache owner has no idea the cache might be a problem. In the case of my post on the beer can cache, I did email the owner privately and thanked him for placing caches, but did question why he would add more litter to the pile. However, on his next cache that gave every indication that it was in a debris pile of concrete, rocks, old tires and god knows what else, I left a note on the cache page and said I didn't look for the cache because I refused to look in that mess. I was informed that it is viewed as a "hiding opportunity". Maybe others will now voice a concern since I left a note, maybe not. Besides the cache being what I consider as "litter", I also was a little astounded that a person would place a series of caches along a "beautiful, scenic trail" and then take me to an illegal dumping site and have a cache in a beer can. There were so many other place a cache could have been placed in the area that weren't trashy. If we hadn't found the cache accidentally, it probably would have ended up in the trash bag we had with us and we would have just left a note saying we don't hunt for caches in trashy areas. Once we found it, I felt obligated to leave it, but I don't know I would do that the next time I found cache as trash.

A trash-strewn place is still a trash-strewn place to me no matter if there is a cache there or not. I would hope that more cachers would voice their dislike of caches in trash piles in their logs or private emails to the cache owner. By just logging and doing nothing, I think we encourage this to happen. However, you are right, some people don't seem to mind and will continue to look for caches in some of the nastiest places and that is certainly their option. When I cache, I am mostly going on hikes to scenic areas or parks and I want to enjoy the scenery and not be brought to a pretty place only to find myself looking for a cache in a trash pile. I have only one skirtlifter PNG and that was because I happened to park my car at the exact spot while waiting to meet up with my caching buddy. It popped up on my GPS and I was curious to see what one looked like. I choose not to find caches in Wal-Mart parking lots, Dunkin Donuts, or other commercial places. I have found some very clever urban micros that I enjoyed because of the creativity and the challenge. Take me somewhere with a view or some interesting history!

"Again, I think it is inappropriate to put something that looks like litter, even if it is only a clever cache container disguised as litter, in a place that it not otherwise trashed up. Even if the hider has permission I think that's a bad idea." What if there is only 1 or 2 beer cans lying around? Is it OK then to place a cache that looks like trash since there is already litter there? It all starts with one person throwing out one piece of trash and then the herd mentality seems to take over. The more people think it is OK to throw their trash there because everyone else seems to be doing it, the bigger the pile will become. And that is why I don't think it is right to add more to it and justify it because there is already a big pile of litter there anyway. Some of the biggest piles of trash probably started with just one can left by someone too ignorant and/or lazy to take it with them.

For one, I don't smoke, and the butt was never used. But you will pick up a wet moldy log out of a mint tin. I don't think I ever said I would pick up a wet, moldy log. So far, the mint tins I have found (and they are few) have been in good shape. But if I found one that wasn't, I probably wouldn't mess with it. Playing with trash is not my idea of fun.

I would say all of the above are litter. I have seen pill bottles and mint tins used, but at least they have been disguised and hidden, not just on the ground with the rest of the trash. And I would never pick up a disgusting cigarette butt off the ground!

What does it matter? Then you don't mind the caches that look like pipe bombs? A cache in a beer can is just plain stupid. It shows a lack of imagination and will do nothing but give this game a bad name.. I can see it now, a land manager already doesn't like geocaching and finds a beer can with the words "OFFICIAL GEOCACHE" written on the side of it... We all know what happens next. My point exactly! If an area already has a litter problem, why would anyone want to add to it with something that under normal circumstances would be considered trash. And, if someone throws out the first piece of litter (cache or not) in an area, you can bet other people will start dumping their litter there. It's that whole herd mentality. This beer can didn't even have an "Official Geocache" sticker on it. It had a piece of fishing line glued to the neck and a bison tube attached to the line inside the can. We found it because we kicked the can and heard something rattle. We really did think it was just part of the trash in the area that we were picking up.

I am surprised at the number of people who have "loved" finding an empty beer can in the woods and no other mention of it being part of the litter problem in the area. I suppose it is a cool looking beer can--it is a Daytona 500 one, but it still looks like litter to me. On the other cache owned by the same guy that I refused to look for because it is in a pile of debris, his friend posted that it wasn't a pile of trash, but a "hiding opportunity bonanza". Call me silly, but a big pile of dirt, concrete, rocks, spare tires, and god knows what else, is a trash pile! To each their own, I suppose, but I will continue to not look for but log caches that are "trash" and some caches may end up being CITO.