cimawr
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And in a startled voice he says, to what's before his eyes;
"My friend I don't know where you've been, but I see you've won first prize".
Methinks that needed a beverage alert for those who don't know the original.
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I have had a similer experiance were people were jumping fences, walking around near the school in our subdivision, and other stuff. I have been thinking these guys maybe have drugs around there.
Erm- who do you mean by "these guys"? The people jumping fences etc. in your subdivision, or the ones that this thread is about?
If you mean the ones the thread is about, it's pretty clear that they were just young guys playing a game something like paintball or "Assassin"- they were just dumb about where, when, and how they chose to play it.
If you mean the ones in your neighborhood, have you talked to your parents and/or teachers about it? If there really is drug activity around the school, someone should let the police know (if they aren't already aware of it).
I think you should probably report them.
The thread wasn't about something that happened to any of the posters here, so there's nothing for anybody here to report. The OP read an article about the incident, then posted about it because he thought it was interesting that they used GPS units as part of the game, is all.
If you click on the link in the first post, you'll find the news story, which gives the details about the incident - it happened about two weeks before you posted - including that the guys playing the game WERE reported by the people who lived in the neighborhood.
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also many fleet vehicles will have gps in their vehicles to monitor their drivers.
Yep. I have a close friend who works as a safety inspector, checking fire alarm and sprinkler systems; all the company trucks have GPS units installed which monitor location and speed. They are also somehow linked up to the motor so that Big Brother can tell whether or not the vehicle is running when standing still.
IOW, the company actively monitors not only how long the inspectors spend at a job site and how fast they drive - they get warnings if they exceed the speed limit by too much or for too long - but whether or not they're sitting in the vehicle AT a job site. Which means that even when they're on a lunch break, they can't sit in the truck and run the A.C. or heat.
Another friend is an ATM tech (repairs and refills money machines), and last I heard, his company is preparing to install similar equipment.
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Adding to the consensus, after looking at the log, it certainly does appear that the cacher didn't read the cache page (or didn't understand it if s/he did), just followed the coordinates to the first stage and assumed that was all there was to the cache.
Which I agree with everyone else doesn't quite count as a find, since logging a find on a puzzle or multi (yours is sort of both) does normally require finding the final stage.
The first part is an easy mistake for a newbie to make if you've done a PQ or the like, downloaded a bunch of coordinates to your GPS, and while out see that a cache is nearby and go look for it w/o the cache page.
I did that early on with a puzzle cache. I'd run a PQ and downloaded a slew of waypoints to my Garmin; then, after finding a normal cache, looked at the GPS for "nearest waypoints", saw there was another cache less than a quarter mile away, and went looking for it.
However, I ALSO realized after finding the first location that something wasn't right, went and read the cache page, and eventually did find the final stage (2 months later). Which it does seem a bit dim on the cacher's part not to read the page and figure things out when s/he went in to log it.
OTOH, playing Devil's Advocate (and putting on my editor/teacher hat
) your cache's page could spell things out a bit more clearly; it's basically written with the assumption that everyone reading it is a seasoned cacher who can fill in the gaps, so to speak. None the less, it IS perfectly obvious that your cache has more than one stage to it.
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Her body of work is listed in her personal website, or her myspace page, both linked to at the bottom of the profile.
ROFL! I actually have seen her "act" once; caught an episode of "Superhero" at my S.O.'s house, which is the only place I ever see TV. (I own a TV, but it's deliberately set up so that it doesn't get reception; it functions only as a monitor for my VCR and DVD.)
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From the last thread a couple of months ago, I remember this actress who seems to be a very active cacher, and even an FTF hound.
Heh. Is that a face I should be recognizing?
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I have fed a few celebreties. They ate pretty much like everyone else does.
Yup. I worked in retail for about 15 years, and encountered quite a few minor-to-major celebrities (mostly sports players and authors) during that time; they're all people like everyone else, and most of 'em act that way.
Biggest exception was the WIFE of a sports celebrity (local team, lived nearby, nationally famous both for his sports record and his participation in advertising) who felt she was deserving of "royal treatment" and behaved obnoxiously. But then we got plenty of local well-to-do housewives who behaved the same way.
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Angst and expectations? DE posted an SBA. DE couldn't find it. 16 DNFs over five and a half years. Fairly well spaced with the nineteen finds. But five DNFs in a row and DE's expectations that if he couldn't find it, it must be missing, the cache is now disabled.
I'm a relative newb (started in August, have just over 100 finds), but that's a phenomenon I find interesting - people who insist on that just because they couldn't find a cache, it *must* be missing, and should be disabled or archived. It gets even more interesting when reading the logs would have told them that quite a few others needed several tries to find it.
Just encountered the phenomenon a couple of days ago:
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Anyone find out what this game is? Sounds bizarre.
Since they were apparently throwing eggs at each other (which, incidentally, is most likely why they weren't wearing shirts; egg washes off of skin better than out of clothes
), it sounds to me like a low-rent, not-well-thought-out variation on paintball. IOW, eggs are cheaper than paintball guns/ammo, and running around a residential neighborhood was cheaper than renting a paintball arena. Where it becomes not-well-thought-out is in the apparent silly assumption that nobody would notice them.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they play too many such games online, and didn't give thought to the fact that in RL, they're not the commandos or whatever they get to be in the computer world. When my younger sister and her friends were playing games like that in middle school (IIRC, they used fingerpaints poured into ballons; I don't think paintball had been invented yet), at least they had the sense to use a wooded area in the neighborhood away from houses....
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From my first post to this thread:
Heck, I'm never offended when I find religious tracts and other religious items in a cache. They are
Being Agnostic, (whatever floats your boat is just fine by me and also having been born Catholic) I wouldn't/couldn't be offended by that cache. A Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Wicca, or Pagan cache couldn’t offend me either. I think a Church of Satan cache would cross the line with me though. (Is that an Agnostic double standard?) Ask yourself if you would be offended by any of those in your neighborhood.
Ah, it'd slipped my mind that you were the person who posted that - sorry! Still, it's worth repeating the point that Wicca/Paganism and Satanism are very different things, given that so many "Christians" insist on lumping them all together.
(I put "Christians" in quotes because IMO, people who practice religious intolerance are NOT following the teachings of Jesus; personally, I think he'd be ashamed of a very large percentage of the folks in the U.S. who claim to be his followers.)
I have several friends who are Wiccan/Pagan and have discussed their religion at length. They are ancient religions and I understand them well enough to know they are as harmless as your more modern religions.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that; I think Wicca/Paganism is MORE harmless than most modern religions.
Still, if you can't say yes to all of the religions for cache themes then it's prudent to leave them behind as the guideline states. I can, save that one.... Slip, meet slope.
I agree; getting back to the original post, that particular cache didn't really seem "themed" to me, given that the OP intended to state all sorts of trade items were welcome.
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Just to explain a little bit regarding the TB that I altered.... The original TB did not contain the "Wiccan" item. It was not a simple "Skull and Crossbones", but I didn't know how else to describe it. Someone else had added the item to the keychain (the orginal photo on the TB page did not have it on it). So, I actually restored the TB to it's original condition. The "Theme" of the TB had absolutely nothing to do with what someone had attached to it.
Just thought it needed a little bit more explanation.
Sorry, but that explanation isn't quite cutting it with me...
First, it's not up to you to decide what to do with someone else's TB, unless the item attached was one that was physically dangerous. The appropriate thing to do would have been to e-mail the TB's owner and ask what s/he wanted done, not take it on yourself to censor things.
Second, did the TB have other items attached? If so, why didn't you remove them all?
Third, that still doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to deem the item "inappropriate" FOR THE REASON that it was, in your opinion, "Wiccan". If it had been a cross, would you have deemed in "inappropriate" and removed it? How about if it had been a Star of David?
Bottom line: the mere fact that you claimed an item was "inappropriate" BECAUSE IT RELATED TO A DIFFERENT FAITH is offensive, sorry. I'm not interested in the Christian items I often find in caches, and sometimes find them mildly offensive, but I wouldn't dream of doing anything to or with them simply because they're not related to my spiritual beliefs.
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I always thought Skull & Crossbones meant pirates. Or poison.
Yup.
And I've never seen the symbol equated with Wicca and/or paganism; however, I HAVE seen it equated with Catholicism, specifically with the Day of the Dead as celebrated by some Hispanic cultures.
In any case, it's still incredibly offensive and narrowminded for someone to decide that an object is "inappropriate" because s/he thinks it's related to another religion.
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Someone else pointed out that Satanism was misunderstood. I honestly don't care to understand it. Being Agnostic (I refuse to define The Undefinable.) I can take the good from all faiths, but I have no desire at all to find out what is good about Satanism.
I do hope you're not equating Satanism with Wicca/Paganism. They are VERY different things.
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When combined with the church location, I would begin to suspect a sneaky agenda - not offensive, but not attractive either. I think that the OP would like an attractive cache.
How could it be "sneaky" if the hider tells people up front that the initial trade items are Catholic-themed??
And given that the plan wasn't to limit the cache ONLY to such items, I don't see what the problem with it would be.
Which, btw, I will mention that I am not a Christian, and would look for the cache anyway; I'd simply go in planning not to trade. I don't see it as any different than looking for a micro, doing a TNLNSL on a cache which doesn't have anything which appeals to me, or leaving an item without trading - all of which I do routinely.
OTOH, I was fairly annoyed when I went to a cache published as having a theme of toys for kids, and found- in addition to the toys - a whole bunch of books aimed at converting young people to a certain brand of Christianity. THAT is having an agenda, and IMO a pretty insensitive/obnoxious thing to do.
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I explained the many reasons why he was going to do no such thing, and gave him until the expiration date to eat the 120 eggs.
He's almost done. He may never eat another egg, but I bet he won't throw any either!
I love it. That's a PERFECT example of "logical consequences"!
(After all, you couldn't let all those eggs go to waste, now could you?
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Some working dogs are exempt. Guide dogs, probably police dogs etc. These dogs are very well trained and can't do their job on a leash (all the time).
Training alone would not normally excempt a dog. Some ordanances allows "under control" to mean leash or voice control. It's going to depend on where you live.
Exactly. My local ordinance contains two clauses which exempt my dogs. It exempts hunting dogs and dogs in training for hunting, and it also states that "dogs in public must be controlled by leash or otherwise"; verbal control is included in "otherwise". Since I have plenty of documentation to the fact that my dogs can be controlled with verbal and hand signals**, and can also easily demonstrate said control, there you go.
Which, btw, doesn't mean that I don't use leashes where appropriate.
Keeping off-leash control requires always keeping attention on the dogs, and sometimes it's best to leash them to be on the safe side, and/or to make others comfortable. **Both are double champions in the sport of dog agility (and yes, Sbell, dog agility IS a sport by any definition of the word except "mutant"
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I'm not giving the cache name because I don't want to give too much away, but one of my favorite caches is a micro in a park. It's a tiny metal tube inserted into a golf ball; the golf ball is half-buried in dirt under a bush near the fence. Since it's out in the open, GPS readings are usually accurate and will get you quite close.
What makes it such a clever cache is that such golf balls are a dime a dozen in parks around here.... but IF you pay attention to your surroundings when entering this particular park, the posted rules state "NO hitting of golf balls in this park".
IOW, if you paid attention, the presence of a golf ball (if you observe your surroundings well enough to notice it) should immediately strike you as unusual. If you didn't, you're likely to overlook it.
And a micro is the appropriate hide for that particular park, as well - there's no place to hide anything larger that wouldn't get "muggled" fairly quickly.
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In logs I occasionally refer to my pups as the geo-yorkies, just because when I take dogs along they weigh in at 9 and 5 pounds, and yorkies in the woods have a different image than the usual sheps, rotts, labs, and goldies that go cachin'. And yep, they are indeed "earth dogs" and love to go into small spaces looking for critters. More than one rabbit or other rodent has met a nasty end in my back yard. Can you say "skinned alive?"
Yorkies are a lot tougher than most people think, if you treat them like dogs... they are terriers, after all.
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"Geo" means earth or geography, so why do people insist in naming everything geo-dog, geo-truck, etc?
Earth-dog?
Personally, I don't care for the term "geo-dog"; I generally either just refer to "the dogs" or "my canine caching companions".
Side note:
Earthdog =
1. A sport/test of hunting ability, also known as Go-To-Ground and/or Superearth, in which small hunting terriers compete to find rats (safely caged) in underground tunnels
2. A hunting dog which goes to earth, and/or competes in the above sport; otherwise known as terriers. The word terrier comes from the Latin word "terra", which means "earth".
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I believe that in most cases such abandoned caches can be taken of by the local reviewers. If you find one, post a needs maintenance entry, if the cacher hasn't been active in a long time send a note to your local reviewer who can check on it. They have the ability to archive caches that should be archived.
Exactly what I was going to say, so I'll only add that in some cases it's not a bad idea to try contacting the owner of the cache, as well. Depending on the response, then you can decide whether to drop a private note to the reviewer.
As for caches that are in good shape, I don't think there should be any time limit imposed by GC, regardless of how often they are visited.
100% agreed.
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Running around shirtless and in black pants at night is not against the law. Tresspassing is, being in some parks after dusk is a minor infraction. Still the game they were playing itsn't, being out after dark isn't, being around private residences on a public road isn't.
Running through people's yards is, as is creating a disturbance, as is making noise after (in most communities) 11 pm. Once again, it boils down to common courtesy and common sense.
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Based on your posts in this thread, I picture you standing on your front lawn in black socks and sandles yelling at the neighborhood kids.
Not at all. I like kids; even if I think they're up to something they shouldn't be, my first reaction is to go talk to them nicely.
What's an eejit? Never mind, It's probably something else I don't want to know.
Phonics is your friend.
Why would some dogs be exempt from leash laws?
Training.
Are laws only for people that you don't like, not for you?
Non-sequiter - or projecting, perhaps. Exempt means exactly that; there's a clause in our local leash ordinance which exempts certain dogs under certain circumstances.
Finally, I continue to disagree with those that think it is 'common courtesy' to avoid being within eyeshot of a private home.
Another non-sequiter. Neither I, nor anyone else, has said that one should avoid being within eyeshot of a private home.
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I think we will both agree that people simply walking across your front yard or being loud at night are 'virtually' harmless, if not completely harmless.
No, we won't agree on that. If I have to get up at 4:30 in the morning and drive 65 miles, and some immature moron decides that his "fun" is more important than either common courtesy or obeying noise ordinances, I don't consider it "harmless".
Walking across a front lawn doesn't enter into it; that's not what these eejits were described as doing.
I don't know what a f-wit is, nor do I care, but your neighbors would quite possibly call the cops on you for disturbing the peace, if you did so (not to mention any leash law violations).
Hardly. All but one of my neighbors also have dogs, and nobody would consider it "disturbing the peace" if my dogs were barking at intruders on my property.
As far as leash laws, which part of "in my bushes" did you fail to comprehend? Leash laws (which my dogs are exempt from in any case) don't apply on private property.
I don't know where you live, but I think it would be pretty unlikely that the police in any jurisdiction would haul someone in in these circumstances. Perhaps the men would be cited in some jurisdictions, but arrested? I don't think so.
Non sequiter, since I never said it was "likely" that they would have "hauled them in"; only that they could have if they'd wanted to.
Unless people are entering someone's front yard and placing caches in their shrubs, I don't see the connection.
I didn't expect that YOU would, but plenty of other people agree with me about caches placed too close to private homes. Again, it's the concept of common courtesy.
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Does anyone have a picture of the Wales coin I could look at?!
Do an eBay search - you'll find pictures.
That's assuming you mean the coin in the shape of a castle (square with battlements on the top edge), Ddraig Goch on the obverse, "Cymru-Wales" above it, "Y Ddraig Goch" below, and a daffodil on the reverse, flanked by leeks with the three feathers in the lower corners, "St David's Day" on the top, "1st March 2006" on the bottom.
) your cache's page could spell things out a bit more clearly; it's basically written with the assumption that everyone reading it is a seasoned cacher who can fill in the gaps, so to speak. 
), it sounds to me like a low-rent, not-well-thought-out variation on paintball. 
I have a sneaking suspicion that they play too many such games online, and didn't give thought to the fact that in RL, they're not the commandos or whatever they get to be in the computer world. 
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Heh. Problem with that one is that Doug Moreland's "Beer Song" tends to override it in my mental playlist.