egami
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I got slammed by ticks today! I have never seen so many in one place (me). Is DEET the best repellent? If the Lyme disease doesn't get me, the anemia will.
A word of warning if you use DEET. Make sure it's not on your fingers as it acts like paint stripper. After using this stuff during a recent trip to Florida, I found that all the markings on the control dial of my very expensive camera had been erased!
Yeah, DEET is very harsh on clothing, plastics and many other surfaces. That's one of the reasons the military went away from 100% DEET usage.
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My big problem with the whole "agenda" argument is that I think it's been blown a bit out of proportion in relation to its original intent:
Caches that SolicitSolicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.
Imo, the rule regarding "agenda" should be done so in a manner consistent with the guideline which specifically addresses solicitation.
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For human skin, DEET is considered the safest and most effective.
Actually, they don't recommend it for small children because it's not something you want to ingest and kids are prone to putting fingers in their mouths and it could inadvertently be ingested that way.
But I've personally felt I've had the best protection with DEET.
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Look at the bright side, at least we can McCain, Obama and Clinton ads on the forums.
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I checked the page AGAIN. I don't see the word support on it. I guess you just read it that way.So, If I say the cache has an agenda does that mean I hate veterans?
(checks batteries in the irony meter)
Not necessarily, but I would have to ask what you thought the agenda was. My point is that I don't see any obvious agenda on the cache page. If you find one you may have some sort of ax to grind.
uhmm, veterans?
uhmm, I did a VERY brief search and found LOTS of caches that thank our police, fire, and rescue forces. I don't really see an agenda with any of these caches, any more than I do with the cache in question. Perhaps you do. Or perhaps you are only offended by caches that thank veterans. Only you know the answer to that.
I certainly agree that many, 'find the fire fighter memorial' caches aren't an agenda. However I don't make my support of fire fighters my reason why a cache should be listed.
No, I don't either. I'm just reading the responses here in the forums.
That aspect, I believe, came from the OP content...
Ok... im fustrated... placed a cache for the AGT series in our area. Had quiet a time getting my discription cleared by the reveiwer because i stated "support our troops". over several emails and lots of changes, i got it cleared for service... unreluctantly removing my wording.
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I think the right answer (for Blue Deuce) is the one he gave. He didn't say, "uhmm the war?" Even if he did, the cache doesn't mention the war. It thanks our military for doing a mostly thankless job.
I am sorry you took my reply as being corrective of his opinion.
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So, If I say the cache has an agenda does that mean I hate veterans?
(checks batteries in the irony meter)
Not necessarily, but I would have to ask what you thought the agenda was. My point is that I don't see any obvious agenda on the cache page. If you find one you may have some sort of ax to grind.
uhmm, veterans?
uhmm, I did a VERY brief search and found LOTS of caches that thank our police, fire, and rescue forces. I don't really see an agenda with any of these caches, any more than I do with the cache in question. Perhaps you do. Or perhaps you are only offended by caches that thank veterans. Only you know the answer to that.
I think the right answer is the war. It's too close to the line of the war in Iraq. And, despite being for our troops, I can see where those who don't support the war, or our troops, generally view it as such. It is somewhat subjective.
That's why I'd like an answer from Keystone or a mod. Where is the line exactly? The truth is it's gray a bit if you look at what's actively enforced. I mean, technically you can make a lot of caches an agenda if you wanted to take it to that level.
So, if this cache is too close to the line then what is the proper way to recognize and support the troops now in Iraq with a cache. Because let's face it...if this were a WW2 memorial, there wouldn't have been an issue raised.
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I have read this thread after receiving several messages about it.
The only thing that troubles me are the suggestions that the reviewer is pursuing his own personal agenda in regards to this cache. That is not the case, and I thank those few posters who noted this. The reviewers are under very clear instructions not to publish "Support our Troops" caches -- even the mere mention of those words is enough to flag a cache and hold it until it's fixed. I've lost count of how many "agenda" caches I've handled. Add to the "Support our Troops" caches all the disease awareness caches and religious-themed caches, and it's quite a bit of work. The number of replies to this thread rather proves the point -- it is a subject that promotes emotional responses, none of which have anything to do with GPS receivers.
Enforcing the "no agenda" guideline has absolutely nothing to do with my personal feelings. As it happens, I am a supporter of US military policies, a committed Christian, and a member of a family directly affected by a number of scary diseases. That doesn't matter. It's Groundspeak's site, and they'd like it to stay free of social, political and religious agendas. They're little boxes in the woods, not platforms. I can talk about politics at a politics website and I can talk about religion with my prayer group. But if I want to be a volunteer for Groundspeak, I need to follow their instructions. A reviewer who is adamantly opposed to the war should take the same approach to a "Support our Troops" cache, and an agnostic reviewer should deal with a religious-themed cache the same way that I do.
If some other caches with agendas have slipped through, or been edited after being published, that doesn't justify listing the next one to come through the review process.
Please stop calling the reviewer names or suggesting that he's pursuing some sort of personal vendetta against this or any similarly-themed cache. I would have handled it the same way. Thank you.
I actually agree with you, technically (but I think there are other violations if you take it that far). I've contemplated tossing out the suggestion that what if this was a cache description that said "don't support the troops" just to make a counter-point, but decided against it for fear of someone misinterpreting the point and my actual support of the military.
However, on the other hand, I think there has to be a way you can still do a tribute to cache without crossing the "agenda" line. Or do you not see it that way? Because ultimately that is the line that is in question it seems.
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Also, it looks like a lot of people have found your cache since him. He isn't neccessarily the person who emailed TPTB, just b/c he was the one who complained about the cache..
Some people who disagree with the cache will post an SBA and some people will privately email the reviewer while logging the cache "tftc, tnln" to avoid just this kind of conflict.
Not sure where the "your" cache comes into play.
Meaning a lot of people found it since him, any one of them could have contacted the reviewer, I don't know that his log and correspondance neccessarily have anything to do with the cache being re-reviewed.
Actually I believe the reviewer said that in his email "That request came from another cacher and another reviewer."
I'd think that someone who wouldn't be afraid to say what he thinks in his log, wouldn't be afraid to post an SBA saying why anyway.
Ok, the "your" was confusing...since it wasn't my cache, but I see you were using the term generically.
My point is merely that no one should ever assume e-mail correspondence is private. And, there is far cry difference from what is e-mailed in this exchange versus what a more polite intentioned person would be trying to avoid versus logging their frustration.
Frankly, judging by the content of the e-mail, I don't feel sorry for someone that gets rewarded with that posted publicly. Just my opinion.
Likewise, a more polite intentioned person might try to avoid "rewarding" somebody by posting it publicly.
If you choose to make that character judgment then so be it...it doesn't invalidate my point.
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Here is the commentary from an online study I found a couple years back. The original web document has moved, but here is the source site: http://www.ct.gov/dph/site/default.asp
DEET and ticks: DEET will repel ticks and decrease the chances of tick bite, but depending upon the concentration, it may not provide total protection against I. scapularis. Little is known about the effectiveness of different concentrations of DEET against I. scapularis. Concentrations of DEET that might prevent tick attachment may not deter a tick from walking across the skin to unexposed and untreated areas. When applied to clothes, 30% and 20% DEET was found to be 92% and 86% effective against I. scapularis (deer ticks), respectively, but skin applications were reported to be only 75 to 87% effective against crawling ticks in a second study. For blacklegged (deer) ticks, DEET concentrations around 30 to 40% probably should be used, although the effectiveness of higher (>50%) and lower (<20%) concentrations against I. scapularis needs to be examined more closely. When applying a repellent against ticks, particular attention should be given to the shoe tops, socks, and lower portion of pants.Permethrin: Several products contain 0.5% permethrin (e.g. Duranon Tick Repellent, Repel Permanone, Cutter Outdoorsman Gear Guard, Permethrin Tick Repellent), which is for use only on clothing or other fabrics such as mosquito netting or tents. A synthetic pyrethroid insecticide rather than a true repellent, permethrin works primarily by killing ticks on contact with the clothes and can provide high levels of protection against tick bites (and mosquitoes). Permethrin is available as a 0.5% aerosol spray, mainly in lawn and garden centers or sports stores. Permethrin has low mammalian toxicity, is poorly absorbed through the skin and is rapidly inactivated by the body. Skin reactions have been uncommon.
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Also, it looks like a lot of people have found your cache since him. He isn't neccessarily the person who emailed TPTB, just b/c he was the one who complained about the cache..
Some people who disagree with the cache will post an SBA and some people will privately email the reviewer while logging the cache "tftc, tnln" to avoid just this kind of conflict.
Not sure where the "your" cache comes into play.
My point is merely that no one should ever assume e-mail correspondence is private. And, there is far cry difference from what is e-mailed in this exchange versus what a more polite intentioned person would be trying to avoid versus logging their frustration.
Frankly, judging by the content of the e-mail, I don't feel sorry for someone that gets rewarded with that posted publicly. Just my opinion.
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Take-away point is: Remove all military markings and warning labels from cache containers. In the event of a cache's discovery by non-cachers, the container should look as innocent as possible to avoid provoking this kind of kerfluffle.
I don't know...from the way the report read the person who called it in didn't even get a look at the container. They seemed to react purely based on what they saw the cacher doing.
Not that that's a bad suggestion...just that it may not of changed this particular outcome.
The police spokesman quoted back the warnings embossed in the top of the decon container by way of explaining their (police) response, presumably to justify the call to the bomb squad (which was later canceled).
Had the finder not been spotted, the markings wouldn't have been an issue. But the cops roll up on a 'suspicious activity' call and discover a strange, military-looking box covered with warnings... It probably wouldn't gotten any further had the cache been a plain-vanilla container.
That's still purely speculative.
Had any one of those officers, as I myself can do without a military background, known that to be a military style container then they'd of likely responded the same way.
Frankly, having been in their shoes in a previous job, I would have been MORE suspicious of such container with removed markings.
I can play the speculation game both ways. The fact is, it's NOT a guarantee and I did say it's still not a bad idea. Additionally, a better idea yet, is to include geocaching or other such markings to replace the warnings. Even that won't be fool proof in preventing something like this, however.
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If you're reading this, thank a teacher.
If you're reading this in English, thank a soldier.
Dang it, I had to press '1' first.
If you're reading this in Spanish, thank Dora the Explorer.
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I don't think so. IF a reviewer sends an email regarding a specific cache, he/she is aware that the issue may end up being taken to the forums. At such time, the communication regarding the issue will be relevent to the thread and should be included in the thread.Speaking of personal issue, I believe it's totally inappropriate (and against forum guidelines, I'm rather sure) to be posting someone's email to you in the forums, as well as yours to them, not that you didn't give yourself permission to post your own here.I think that it's important to remember that an email from a reviewer about a cache is not personal correspondence, it's business correspondence (even though their pay stinks).
I think the reference was to the posted email from the Iraq Vet who found the cache and sent emails to the Cache owner. I agree, these emails should not have been posted in the forums.
Actually I don't think there are any rules specifically regarding that in my recollection of the guidelines.
Personally, I don't send anything to anyone in e-mail that I don't want printed or posted publicly. People shouldn't assume e-mail correspondence with anyone will remain private.
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found both of these near two of my caches in one park
anyone know how to add pics??
If you want to e-mail them to me I can host them so you can link to them.
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I prefer to mail in rolls of pennies.
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Take-away point is: Remove all military markings and warning labels from cache containers. In the event of a cache's discovery by non-cachers, the container should look as innocent as possible to avoid provoking this kind of kerfluffle.
I don't know...from the way the report read the person who called it in didn't even get a look at the container. They seemed to react purely based on what they saw the cacher doing.
Not that that's a bad suggestion...just that it may not of changed this particular outcome.
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What's the GC number for this cache?
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As long as you can throw a frisbee, imo.
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Worst case, if Apple won't support it, PayPal might be willing to help you manage some sort of automated kickback.
I am not too worried about it...I am mainly glad to be in among some of the first involved and enjoying the application. Going to start playing with it this weekend.
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I just bought a Touch recently. Really looking forward to the localized applications being available.
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Having been a moderator or admin on multiple boards, one of which was about as active as this one, the one thing I've noticed (and this is true on many boards where I am not a mod or admin) is that there is a natural tendency for things like that to have a chain reaction effect.
A rule we had, on a couple boards actually, was essentially similar to a phrase commonly used in real life. It's the "it was funny the first time" rule. Many times some unique thread event is funny once and we'd let it go, but then every Tom, Dick and Harry that lacked originality seemed to think it'd be funnier multiple times after that. And, generally, it's not.
It's not a lack of humor issue at all.
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If those were the points I'm not sure I see a problem. We still agree on the test.
Those were merely points as to why the frisbee test doesn't directly parallel placing a cache. If you thought that was the only point to the main post...I can't help you with that.
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Not typically. Although I would be careful taking that liberty in front of a library, school or other such building.