Castle Mischief

I'm crestfallen that, in light of the new update, this thread hasn't been archived closed.

What heavy-handed actions would those be exactly? Disabling the cache? Really? Holding this cache to the same standards as just about any other cache?

Yay, something was done (by other people) and then the CO clicked some buttons (eventually)! Now the cache is back up for other people to find! GEOCACHING IS SAVED!

Thanks, that was enlightening. It all makes sense now.

Call me crazy, but it would make sense to me that the person that replaced the container and said that they replaced the container in their found it log indicates that the CO didn't replace it. Also, sounds like the mortar was chipped out with, I'm assuming, a pointy object. I neglected to read through all the logs (honestly I just scoped out the pictures out of curiousity). My assumption was correct. Archive it already. Well you need to put this thing on your watchlist. How do you not want Mingo on your watchlist? NO ONE has admitted to digging out the mortar, and replacing Mingo with a Mingo like bucket. A week old log from Tuesday, March 13th mentions replacing the bison tube with a Military Decon container. Actually, leaving the bison also. So Decon is throw-down #2, and Bucket is throw-down #3, for those keeping track at home. I think that is stretching the definition of a throwdown. Replacing a cache listed as a "regular" size with a bison (at least a film container was not used) would be considered a throwdown. Replacing it with a Decon container would also meet the definition. However, the container that is there now is essentially identical to the original. I would not consider that a throwdown cache, but rather a viable replacement for the original container. "Proxy-down"? Maybe because it's not a down-grade perhaps a "throw-up"?

Please name one posted who is insistent that Mingo gets archived. I don't know of anybody that wants to see it get archived. Not one. There is no "archive Mingo" bandwagon. Perhaps there isn't a "archive Mingo" bandwagon, but there have been quite a few "let it die" posts and I suspect that there are more than a few people from a certain part of the country would *prefer* that it was archived so that another cache can take it's place as "worlds oldest active cache". I consider myself to be in the "take it off life support" bandwagon. I'm pretty sure there's also a "keep it going at all cost" bandwagon and a "any container is acceptable" bandwagon and maybe not a bandwagon but something like a quartet-golf cart of "Mingo ate my baby" I could be wrong about the last part.

Seems to me that muggling the cache is making the muggle happy. The cache owner hasn't bothered to clear the needs maintenance flag, set the cache status to active or remove the trackables in the inventory. He's also not responding to dialog from a reviewer and hasn't logged on since... when? There might be a cache owner, but he's owning up to the listing responsibilities of caches on this website and the reviewers should have no problems addressing that in the same manner as they would most other caches.

Hole was NOT filled in because of permission issues. Kansas DOT, the property owner, looked at the site and said they didn't have any problems with the cache being there. The hole was filled in by a vandal and someone repaired the damage done by the vandal. The cache is now in it's original location with a similar container and log book to the original - even down to the markings on the container. Any finder looking for the cache will find a cache and a log book that match the description on the caches web page. There is no reason to archive the cache as it is in good order. Well then I guess it's time for the CO to change the status of the cache on the webpage. You know, unless he's abandoned it.

Call me crazy, but it would make sense to me that the person that replaced the container and said that they replaced the container in their found it log indicates that the CO didn't replace it. Also, sounds like the mortar was chipped out with, I'm assuming, a pointy object. I neglected to read through all the logs (honestly I just scoped out the pictures out of curiousity). My assumption was correct. Archive it already. Well you need to put this thing on your watchlist. How do you not want Mingo on your watchlist? NO ONE has admitted to digging out the mortar, and replacing Mingo with a Mingo like bucket. A week old log from Tuesday, March 13th mentions replacing the bison tube with a Military Decon container. Actually, leaving the bison also. So Decon is throw-down #2, and Bucket is throw-down #3, for those keeping track at home. What, really? There was a new container since the decon container? I just figured people were calling the decon the "fixed-up" cache.

I think more people are insistent that the CO maintain his cache and his cache page than they are that the cache be archived. If the CO has abandoned the cache then the guidelines should be followed. The onus is on the CO. Wihtout exceptions!!! The exception is being made right now. There's no need to make further exceptions to satisfy the memory of an ownerless cache and the cool date in some folks' find stats. I'm sure that after a reasonable amount of time in an inactive state, the reviewer (any reviewer) will archive the listing. That's how I'd expect my caches to be treated and that's I'd hope any other would be treated.

Although the citizens of a certain small Nevada town may beg to differ with you. The story of how they went to bat for the ET Highway trail is remarkable -- when the original was created a sleepy little (read: Dead) town was suddenly overrun with geocachers buying food, staying the night, buying gaz, getting stuff in whatever store was in town, etc. and the closure of the trail sent their sudden windfall into tailspin, so they lobbied for its return. Perhaps in urban environments? ALL HAIL THE COMMING OF THE DETROIT RENEWAL POWERTRAIL!!!!!!!

I think more people are insistant that the CO maintain his cache and his cache page than they are that the cache be archived. If the CO has abandoned the cache then the guidelines should be followed. The onus is on the CO.

Call me crazy, but it would make sense to me that the person that replaced the container and said that they replaced the container in their found it log indicates that the CO didn't replace it. Also, sounds like the mortar was chipped out with, I'm assuming, a pointy object.

Pelase do not disable this feature. Nobody was promised interesting logs for their trackables.

Maybe I'm missing soemthing, but where exactly has anybody been promised "interesting" logs on their TBs? I like the feature (on the website, I don't log on a smartphone). I always dip any TBs that I have with me when I find a cache and I found it to be an incredible pain in the neck to do that before the feature was added. Just be happy your trackable is still out in the wild racking up mileage and hasn't been stolen.

Just as likely older busybodies or conservative bomb-scare habitualists. No need to make narrow definitions and call people names.

I think you've got the wrong idea about the original idea for the cache. Unless I've misunderstood, they aren't actual religious tracts, they're "religious tracts" in the loosest sense of the phrase.

Oh good grief.

...when you've seen more than a few "you know you're a geocacher" threads. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=292322 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=113133 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=107095 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=58316

Just hide what you like. People that want to do that kind of cache will and those that won't... won't.

Well, at least the thread is getting well-needed maintenance.

Or a Sousaphone! I don't think it's any big secret that I lean pretty hard to the left and I can't imagine seeing anything wrong with this kind of sig item- no more than I have an issue with hiding ammo cans in the woods. I think it's a great idea.

I'll go with "As Many as it Takes" for $300, Alex.

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