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  1. Interesting that Mt Kosciuszko is Australias highest mountain peak, also named after the same Polish general. Note the slightly different spelling, with a Z added to our official place name in 1997, to reflect the correct Polish spelling. There is both an earthcache (GC1YH53), and a regular cache (GCNEFX), at our highest peak.
  2. Rot roh, where's my popcorn. Things are gonna get ugly round here.
  3. Filter out your found caches. IIRC, its tick the "Caches that I have not found" box.
  4. I did similar a few years ago for my wife, who was visiting Japan, but we didn't know exactly where, apart from a couple of major locations. I simply did a couple of PQs on those locations, with max radius, and loaded the GPS up. Then, all she did was, when getting off the transport, she fired up the GPS to see how close the nearest cache was.
  5. It's not uncommon for coins to have a hole drilled in them prior to being set free. Being damaged, they tend to get acquired less by "collectors"
  6. Which raises an interesting observation. The fact that cachers tend to base their beliefs of how Geocaching is played worldwide on their own personal experience of the game.
  7. There is also a presumption in this discussion about a complete replacement cache. But what about a damaged container, clearly identifiable as a geocache or wet log book, that has a NM red spanner against it's name, and someone does maintenance. No throw down, no extra container on site, just a new container or log book. It's the same argument.
  8. And Yes, you make valid points about cache replacement. You do describe, essentially, what I did, so I can see your side of the discussion. It actually raises an interesting scenario that I was involved in. Rescuing a lost cache container, which actually ended up being the original, and one replacement, at GZ. A second replacement was in play at the time. They were down the bottom of a hollow pipe fence post. Read the posts from April 2017. http://coord.info/GC70YV4
  9. Yes, I read that discussion about historic caches. The debate raged, with interesting and valid points on both sides. I do disagree with one point from that discussion, that the listing itself is historic, and that it lives forever as a listing, even when archived. Whilst true, in reality, who goes through all the archived caches, and for what reason, apart from those die hard cachers who search for still in place, archived containers. To bring up points form that discussion. What does make a cache historic? As I pointed out, I have one of my own that I think I could nominate. https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCYZ1H_carorica-gladstones-tb-motel?guid=eb0162f7-2e4b-4ecb-a4ca-c7c9118e1370 Placed Oct 2006 Never been offline, never been DNFed, never been replaced, original container, original log book. Why do I think its historic, its an early game piece in this area, original, all in tact. Like finding Tommy the Atomic Robot, with original packaging, in an old shed, rather than going out and buying a new replica.
  10. I will address both these responses together, as they are very similar. Nothing could be further from the truth. Listing a new cache with the words "Can visiting cachers please maintain the cache for me, please" or similar, is against the rules, and obviously, completely wrong. But that's not the question here. The question originally posed was "Etiquette regarding replacement of abandoned caches", and this is, I believe, what I have been responding to all along. By this, I imagine the question is being asked about an already in place cache container, up and running, published, that for some reason, the owner no longer is maintaining for whatever reason. it could be, they lost interest in playing, they died, moved away, or something else. The rules say, archive. Easy, Simple. Way back when I started playing, in 2006, there was one cache in my city, a city of about 45000 people. And it wasn't owned by a local, it had been placed by a visitor, with a local relative as maintainer. The next closest was about 20 miles away, the next 60 miles, the next about 100 miles, each way. Outside the large metropolitan areas, caches were very few and far between. Occasionally, a local cacher would flood a locality with hides, but these were not the norm. And there is a LOT of nothing in those few and far between places. Head south from where I live, its about 500 miles, north its about 1500 miles, and I haven't even left my state. Its about a 6 hr drive to my capital city. For this reason, we tended to keep any caches that were published, up and running, almost at any cost. Plus the aussie trait of helping a mate, meant a lot of aussie cachers have repair kits, some very extensive, in their vehicles, so "community maintenance" for want of a better phrase, was born. Is it in the rules, no. But if not for it, then chances are, you wouldn't have anywhere near as many cachers in Australia as there is now. You could travel literally hundreds of KM and not have a cache to find. We just do not have the population density, or population spread, that you have in the USA. Even now, about 26 million people spread over a land mass the approx. size of the 48 lower states, mainly concentrated in the south east corner of the country, and within about 200 miles of the eastern seaboard, and there is a whole lot of nothingness out there. I developed one of those remote geocaching hubs, a town or city with a high concentration of hides, about 50 in my first year or so of playing. There was nothing else I could do. An all day drive to find a couple of caches just wasn't feasible weekend after weekend. I then moved to a smaller country town for work, and stayed there for 7 years. This was even worse. At one point, I had no unfound caches within an approx. 300km radius, and that totalled about a dozen finds inside that radius. When I moved back to my hometown, about 4 years ago, the situation had improved somewhat. There is probably now about 10 cachers in town. Whilst I cant speak with first hand knowledge, I think the local reviewers recognised this situation, and have allowed it to continue. We have had various reviewers over the time I have played, and even some overseas reviewers coming in from time to time. All has been sweet. The game has continued on much the same, until about 6 months ago, when it was announced that our local reviewers were taking extended leave to travel, and a new reviewer would be taking over their duties on a temporary basis. Its gone downhill since then. Is he/she following the rules as set down by Groundspeak, I cant deny that, yes. But there seems to be absolutely no give to take here. Its bang, bang, bang, the rules say this, or that, that's whats going to happen. Ahh Ha, I hear you say, Bundyrumandcoke has a case of sour grapes. Possibly, but I haven't tried to get a cache published in a couple of years, I haven't had a listing declined recently. I simply did, a few months ago, what I and many other aussie cachers have done innumerable times, performed maintenance on a cache that wasn't our own. And now, because I cannot remove the little red spanner, that cache has now been archived. The container is still there. Its now rubbish. Am I seeking to make throwdowns, as you call them, acceptable, of course not. Nor am I attempting to bring holiday caches back to life. I can actually do either of these things, as well as a whole heap of other things that GS no longer allows, quite easily by listing on a parallel service, Geocaching Australia. Check my profile, you will see that I have a couple of caches that are currently disabled. One, Bundys Commute #4, has been disabled for about 9 weeks. Yes, by now, it probably should have been archived. (Its getting replaced later today) Personally, I still own a number of caches out west, in that little country town where I spent 7 years. They rely on community maintenance, even though I have never asked for it on the pages, as its too far from home to keep up regular maintenance. When I moved back home, I archived approx. 1/2 of the caches out there, but kept some going. If there were any issues arising, I would then archive them. But all have continued along well. As I said previously, I can name (but I wont) 2 caches that have relied on community maintenance for well over 10 years. One, placed in 2003, a holiday cache with local resident as maintainer, should have been archived when the local maintainer moved away, but a cache from 2003 is a rarity in these parts, and is worth keeping alive. Plus its a beaut spot. By way of example. Here is a You Tube clip. It shows graphically the growth of caching in Australia from July 2000 to Aug 2009. Each dot is a cache. At the end of the clip, there are about 24500 caches that have been published. But it gives you a good perspective of the caching hot spots as they developed, and the huge areas of caching emptiness or near emptiness in between. Remember, you are looking at an area the approx. size of the lower 48 states of the union. EDITED ADDENDUM Local variances must occur in the rules. I read often in the forums where you have to deal with various levels of authorities placing certain restrictions on the game at various times or places. We also have this. But additionally, some placement rules that apply in the US, don't, or are not as strict over here. The example I use most often is placement in close proximity to active rail corridors. I believe, over there, its 150 yards, or 500 ft, or some such huge figure. In my home state, its 10 metres (approx. 30 ft) from the outer rail, or outside the boundary fenceline. Being a train driver (or engineer, as you call them) its a subject close to my heart. One set of rules cannot cover all aspects of this game, everywhere its played. There should be no reason that the rules regarding cache maintenance cannot also be more flexible where it is warranted. Can I ask, hypothetical question. A geocaching staff member at a polar station at the South Pole places a Geocache on one of the buildings on the base. That staff member then departs for the winter, with the full intention of returning to the base in the coming spring. The cache was published, and available for finding, prior to their departure. Due to the low number of possible visitors, and their intention to return next year, they see no need to advise anyone else on base of the caches existence. Unfortunately, an illness prevents them from returning to the base as planned. They subsequently die. Time passes, and over the ensuing couple of years, the ravages of the climate take their toll on the container, but its still there, having been found and logged by a number of geocaching scientists. One logs a NM on the cache. One subsequent geocacher decided to put a new container in its place. This is the one and only geocache at the South Pole. Archive? FURTHER ADDENDUM To take this to the extreme- What about the cache on the ISS? Who maintains that one? Apart from the fact its on the ISS, what makes it different to any other cache, apart from the fact it doesn't have a log book.
  11. So, if shear numbers of caches coming online is an issue, then GS, as the owners of the game, have to step up to the plate and appoint more reviewers.
  12. But this got me thinking, I know of at least 2 caches that could have been archived years ago, one placed in 2003, could have been back in 2007 when the local maintainer departed the area, and the other probably a year or so later. Both are still surviving, all these years later by caching community maintenance. And no, I am not stupid enough to name them here, in case someone goes to archive them because, "it's against the rules".
  13. Anyhow, it doesn't really matter anymore. The cache that HAS caused all this angst has been archived by our "friendly" temporary reviewer, and the insitu cache has been offered to local cachers as a gimme.
  14. Which brings me right back to an earlier point about powertrails. As was said by others, not me, reviewers seem to take a different view to caches in a PT, allowing things to slip by, which are not necessarily completely in line with the rules, because "it's part of a Powertrail" But, each cache in a powertrail is a cache in it's own right, so therefore should have to strictly follow the guidelines as set out or else this apparent flexibility and discretion that the reviewers seem to have, has to be able to be applied across the board. You can't have it both ways.
  15. Seems my response of a couple if hours got lost in Lala land. Maintenance of the cache I mention above is scheduled for the next day or so, plus another, and a third that is currently off line is going back out tomorrow (actually today Now) But you have missed my point entirely. This isn't about maintaining one or more of my own caches, it's about the inconsistency of reviewers applying Groundspeaks rules in their own way, above and beyond variations caused by local law variations.
  16. Well, I got a log a couple of days ago, a found, then a write note, on one of my caches, telling me that it needs attention, and telling me they were not prepared to put in a NM log, due to this particular reviewers "propensity to disable NM caches". The reviewer was specifically named. It seems I am not the only cacher over here who has had some issues. Over zealous, much?
  17. Actually, I was chasing an answer, because I am a bit embroiled, as are a number of other Aussie's, in a situation where the rules of the game are being strictly interpreted by an official of the game (from overseas, who is doing the job on a temporary basis, while the usual game official is on a holiday) rather that a more laid back, relaxed attitude that us Aussie's tend to use. So, again I ask, what's the difference. Is a precedent being set here. If a reviewer (or apparently a number of reviewers) can turn a blind eye to Groundspeaks rules of the game for one particular scenario, because it's become "accepted practise" then why can't this happen in other cases of "accepted practise" which have developed on a regional basis. It's got to a point where other players are deliberately not following the rules, to avoid situations where the temporary game official starts intervening in an over zealous manner.
  18. I have done a multi like that. First leg coordinates took you to the top of an isolated Rocky outcrop called Mt Jim Crow, about 150 metres straight up. At the very top was a container with stage 2 coordinates, which took you to the final container, about 5 metres from the entrance gate.
  19. Ahh, but you guys don't have 99 out of 100 animals trying to kill you all the time, over there. That has to increase the difficulty rating by at least one. Seeing as it can only go to five, we have to drop it back by one for caches where animal attack isn't imminent. There is a couple of pics of the challenge in a couple of the logs.
  20. Coconut trees are bare trunks at that height. Branches only in the Crown. This particular tree, and a number of others in the immediate area, have had notches cut into the trunk to facilitate coconut harvesting. I barely made about 2 metres up before giving up. I don't need a Smiley that much. Of course, it would be a piece of cake with a ladder, you are only about 50 metres from a road.
  21. Look at my recent log for GC707PJ. Write note, as I located the container, but could not access it to sign the log scroll. (It's a bison tube hanging in the open, about 5 metres up a coconut tree. It's in plain sight.) So, it's not a find, as I didn't put scribble stick to parchment, but it's not a DNF as I did locate the container. Also a Write Note does not alter the symbol on the map from a green box for a regular cache, to either a smiley or a frowny.
  22. Another side of the argument is regional differences in the meanings of different words. We have enough Americanisms over here in Australia to almost qualify us as another state. Some things we say, leave you guys completely bewildered and dumbfounded. Some thing you say, leave us equally bemused. Let's not start talking about, rooting for your team.
  23. So whats the difference? Why is something that's not in the guidelines acceptable for a Powertrail, when its not acceptable in all other circumstances? Why do some reviewers allow things to "just slip by" when others come down hard and fast, on the same thing. If its not allowed in the Guidelines, then it shouldn't be allowed, Full Stop. If its allowed, sort of, then change the guidelines to suit, sort of.
  24. Its a Write Note. The F in DNF stands for Find, not Log. You Find the container, but cant write in the Log book, its a Write Note for me. Perhaps a DNL option is needed on cache pages.
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