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  1. Centaur's version is good. Just what I was hoping for is to inspire someone to come up with something more creative than what I threw together. I also like the ones by Gustaf and Groover. Rubbertoe's too. I just like the compass idea, as it just seems to fit well on a coin. The 4-point star in the center of the rose seems like a good divider, and you could color in the quarters around it, or leave them as is. Maybe a raised outer ring with text, like Rubbertoe suggested, with the star touching the ring, and the N,E,S,W on the ring as he indicated. The quadrants also provide a good place to substitute a custom symbol for a stock logo symbol, for personalization. I like the curved text on the edge of Groovers. While I'd like to see www.geocaching.com on it, I'd be wary of using it for fear of future legal entanglements.
  2. quote:The section you quoted was in regard to having someone "commercially exploit" the Geocaching.com logo. For example, creating a geocoin site that sells coins for a profit without permission. Seems right that someone planning to exploit a design by someone else should ask them first, and in some cases pay a license fee to use that logo. But this is why we need a public domain geocaching community logo. What if I want to buy a Texas Geocoin. Right now, because of this dispute, I can't. Right now, it can only be done if (1) the current logo licensed by Groundspeak, (and indications are that it won't be licensed,) or (2) a logo independent of Groundspeak or (any other authority) is used.
  3. I agree wholeheartedly with you Gimpy. This whole situation has left a bad taste in my mouth, and bad sentiment all around. I'm a relative newcomer to GeoCaching compared to most here, but all these legal complications are not helping me to feel welcome. I was just in the effort of deciding what to make my signature item, and thinking about geocoins, when all this started. I've researched 4 or 5 mints, and talked with a couple. Cost is still an issue, as coins ain't cheap. I know a few other cachers in my area, but not enough to go in together on a coin run. I'd have to split the cost in some way, but I understand that makes it a commercial effort, and violates the trademark rules. All in all, right now, I rather go into it with a public domain logo and sidestep any legal hassles safely. That would allow me to use the coins in any way I see fit, including selling them on the internet if necessary, to recover my costs. Still, I'll remain open minded, and probably wait and see what Groundspeak comes up with. I just hope they didn't pick one of those mints that charges $600 per face for a custom die, and $7/coin for minting, along with extra charge for mating your artwork to Goundspeak's obverse die face. [This message was edited by LongDogs on October 06, 2002 at 04:16 PM.]
  4. I would recommend not putting the year on the die, as that would limit it's lifetime. Also, I'd recommend putting the geocaching.com url on that face of the coin, along with the logo. Seems to me there could be a curved version of the logo that was tradmarked and protected, just like the original. Of course there is the risk of someone who has already minted coins claiming prior-art on that version. Also, for those who've already minted coins, there is the issue of cost of a mated die face for your die face, unless everyone happens to be using the same mint and coin stock and size as you choose.
  5. Wow. Gustaf posted Windows logo thing, even as I was typing my reply.
  6. Unfortunatly, there is no "correct" definitive answer to this. Even precedent is hard to find, as there have been cases awarded as no violation with only minor differences, and cases awarded as violation with only a single not-really-similar element. But the real issue isn't legality. Even the thread of legal action is sufficient to quell most efforts, as legal costs alone are an adequate deterrant. Ideally, it would have no similarity to the trademark logo. Realistically, I'd avoid any specific unique features, like the little guy with the rays from his eyes that makes the X, and the circle of dotted lines. The four quadrant grid would be hard to claim as there are for quads around a compass rose, and the four colors could belong to the MS Windows logo as much as to the geocaching logo. Still, any of that could be contested in court. I'm willing to hear-out what Jeremy & co have to offer, but before I fork over big $$$ to mint coins, I'd certainly want to know I wasn't going to get bit in the long run. I'd also like to know, since the minimum run is often 100 or 250, that I could split the cost and coins with other cachers, which the current logo terms make difficult. I don't need 100 or 250 coins, and can't afford to spend $500 to $1000 on them just to give away. Neuman of TXGeocoins was going for the same approach, and got stuck with a big loss, although his deal perhaps appeared a little more commercial on the surface. I'm still not sure all these concerns will be addressed.
  7. How about a wire-frame world, to reflect the lat-long grid. That also solves the whole "which country/continent" issue. Also the GPS could show the compass rose, which I believe, is featured on all GPS units. That would help it look less like a PDA or portable TV, etc. Remember, though, it needs to be something that can be colorful for the web, yet simple enough to stamp into a coin. [This message was edited by LongDogs on October 06, 2002 at 11:17 AM.]
  8. Ok, here's my attempt... Not the best, but maybe it'll inspire someone to come up with a good one...
  9. I already suggested that in the "Wow! All those Geocoins" thread right after team FISUR message. I never thought it was an original idea -- just an idea whose time has come. And I still believe that. We need a public domain geocaching logo that belongs to the geocaching community as a whole. I had a vague idea of a dotted line with x marks the spot, and a waymark flag, etc., but then got worried it might be considered too similar to the Groundspeak logo. Even though the image I had in mind has probably been in the Garman Etrex since long before Groundspeak had the logo. It will have to be an obviously original design, or the problem won't be solved. The trick will be coming up with something that can be simple line-art, as widely recognizable as the Groundspeak logo, (ie obviously geocaching,) and that can be modified to fit coins and have custom embelishments. Sadly, I'm neither creative, nor artistic. I can't believe there isn't SOMEONE who is both a graphic artist and a geocacher who could help with this...
  10. It sounds to me like we need to come up with a new, unencumbered, geocaching logo for this type of use. Meaning no disrespect to Groundspeak, and I understand their situation, but this is getting to be a real bummer. Is there some artisticly talented graphical artist that could create a new, public domain logo for use by the rest of the geocaching community at large? Something that could perhaps become as commonly recognized as the Groundspeak logo for geocaching, but that could still be freely modified to produce signature items and custom geocoins, etc., without the risk of legal entanglements? Surely this could be done, and it is starting to sound like it is time for this to occur... I hope this post doesn't offend anyone. I'm a paying member here, and don't want to harm Groundspeak in any way. But there is clearly a need for a public domain generic geocaching symbol that is commonly recognizable and not owned by any authority and is freely usable and customizable. It is a shame that current trademark laws prevent the logo we are all familiar with to be used in this way.
  11. It sounds to me like we need to come up with a new, unencumbered, geocaching logo for this type of use. Meaning no disrespect to Groundspeak, and I understand their situation, but this is getting to be a real bummer. Is there some artisticly talented graphical artist that could create a new, public domain logo for use by the rest of the geocaching community at large? Something that could perhaps become as commonly recognized as the Groundspeak logo for geocaching, but that could still be freely modified to produce signature items and custom geocoins, etc., without the risk of legal entanglements? Surely this could be done, and it is starting to sound like it is time for this to occur... I hope this post doesn't offend anyone. I'm a paying member here, and don't want to harm Groundspeak in any way. But there is clearly a need for a public domain generic geocaching symbol that is commonly recognizable and not owned by any authority and is freely usable and customizable. It is a shame that current trademark laws prevent the logo we are all familiar with to be used in this way.
  12. Uhhh, just what IS the official geocache channel? I haven't seen it posted anywhere... I've seen lots of discussion about lots of channels, but no official channel. Looks like 2, 12, and 4 were popular choices, but what was the final decision? [This message was edited by LongDogs on October 01, 2002 at 09:41 PM.]
  13. LongDogs

    ExpertGPS

    Anyone know of any good site or software that will provide street routing and export that to the GPS (or to a file that can be imported by ExpertGPS?
  14. This seems a good time to rant/warn. The rubbermaid type container with the blue lid and a yellow handle that is secured through holes in the lid will leak and let in water when it rains. to make matters worse, the rest of the container seals so well as to insure the water remains inside and keeps the contents soaked. I'd warn anyone reading this to avoid that type of container!
  15. This seems a good time to rant/warn. The rubbermaid type container with the blue lid and a yellow handle that is secured through holes in the lid will leak and let in water when it rains. to make matters worse, the rest of the container seals so well as to insure the water remains inside and keeps the contents soaked. I'd warn anyone reading this to avoid that type of container!
  16. Rubbermaid type containers are also very good PROVIDED you avoid the kind with a handle that goes through the lid. Also check to make sure they seal good and are the type that can be resealed easily. (ie by kids, etc. ) I've also seen sporting good type dryboxes used, and they seem to work well too. Still, ammo boxes have the advantage of being cheap and yet hard for an animal to chew into should someone unenlightened put a food type item in your cache.
  17. Rubbermaid type containers are also very good PROVIDED you avoid the kind with a handle that goes through the lid. Also check to make sure they seal good and are the type that can be resealed easily. (ie by kids, etc. ) I've also seen sporting good type dryboxes used, and they seem to work well too. Still, ammo boxes have the advantage of being cheap and yet hard for an animal to chew into should someone unenlightened put a food type item in your cache.
  18. Sounds great. I'll post or e-mail when I get my TB tags in.
  19. I'd be interested. Think Arkansas to Ohia is far enough?
  20. If you are talking about the 3.02 update, it is linked from both products. MagellanGPS SportTrak Map & Pro 3.02 update
  21. After reading all the thoughts on this, perhaps a better topic heading for this would have been "print-it-yourself tags" than "tagless bugs". I forgot to point out that I know a bunch of people who launch "where's george" bills simply because they don't want to mess with ordering the tags and waiting for them to arrive, etc. (Are we an instant gratification society or what...) I think the DIY-tags would address that group of people as well. Just seems worth a try to me. After all, a traveler with a good story is certainly more fun than a $1 bill, and you don't have to worry about somebody spending it.
  22. I like the idea. Like someone else said previously, it is "instant". Right now travel bug tags are in short supply. This isn't a case of "no tag", but simply a "print it yourself" tag. While I really like the metal tags, and would want them to continue to be available, I think a "print it yourself" option would be great. I, for one, would print instructions and the "bug's story" on a laminated tag, along with the requisite numbers and info. I already put a tag on them with the "story and travel instructions", so all it adds is the info currently on the metal tag. Also, I like that it would allow launching a bug without waiting for a tag to arrive by snail-mail or UPS. There could be some PDF templates and downloadable bug-graphic to insure consistency perhaps. Just seems like a good option to me.
  23. I couldn't agree more. IMHO, that should even be in the GeoCaching FAQ and on the TravelBug main page. Every travel bug I've tracked down that was MIA was due to someone "planning to take it somewhere really interesting" or "drop it in a far away cache on their next out-of-town trip". I agree that in most cases if they can't drop it soon, they shouldn't take it. Or at least not take it until shortly before they will be able to drop it. Now, if there are special instructions on the traveler saying "take me far" or to someplace specific, and you are heading there, maybe then. But most bugs I've seen would be better served to just be kept moving.
  24. I've got MapSend 1.00 (original 330 version) and it works find under XP Home. I upgraded to 1.10 using the free download patch from Magellan, and that still works fine too. (Both worked fine with my SporTrak, also. I'm not sure what the benefit of 1.10 over 1.00 is supposed to be...)
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