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The hearing is over, and I consider it a victory.
They have agreed to a 1-year permit, with an automatic 1-year renewal at the descretion of the local park personnel.
They were (eventually) convinced of the folly of the transparent container requirement, and struck the word "transparent" from the description, and verbally endorsed the idea of the ammo box.
The container must be approved at the time of getting the permit.
They way the permit process is supposed to work, is you take your cache to the park office, and tell them where you want to put it, they will then inspect it and put on an "official Arkansas State Park Approved Geocache" sticker with your name and date on it. (Basically the sticker is the permit form and permit itself.) The sticker must be stuck on the cache and then you can hide it. There is will be no charge.
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I'd just like to throw this out, so that those of us who attend the meeting all sound like we are in agreement. (And just to find out if we are...)
For me, the top issue is the 4-month limit on a cache. To me it isn't worth placing one for a 4-month lifetime. If they'd conceed on this, I could live with the rest. I'd prefer no limit, but maybe I could live with having to renew the permit each year...
Next on my list would be the unbreakable transparent container that is animal proof with a latch. All I can think of is a plastic jar with a screw on lid. (Is a screw on lid considered a latch?) Watertightness is also often a problem with plastic containers.
My final concern would be the permit process itself, and how many hoops you'd have to go through to place a decent cache, or if they'd insist it was put somewhere where it wasn't even really hidden. (I can just hear the ranger now: "No, you have to leave it on the paved part of the trail!!! You can't put it off in the woods!!")
Any other concerns that I've overlooked?
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Don't misunderstand my earlier comments about critters, etc. in caches. I was simply trying to explain where they are coming from.
The point I'd like to make to them, is that a cache is nothing like a registration box or a trash can. You don't put something in a cache and then hide to watch the next patron open it.
Nor do I think an ammo box would be subject to wasp infestation. They don't understand we use sealed containers, and they don't understand the "infrequent visit" nature of geocaching.
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I commented about pranks, but I also remember an incident where wasps (or was it hornets or yellow jackets?) built a nest in a park map-guide box, (you know, the little metal boxes attached to kiosks that hold the trail guide pamplets) and a little girl opened it to get a map and got swarmed and stung all over the face and body. It was pretty serious.
They could be thinking about that too, not realizing our containers would be quite bug-proof.
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No, I see where they are coming from on that. At least three of the state parks are in college towns, and they've had problems with juvenile pranks in those parks and others in urban areas as well. I’m sure they are just worried someone will sweep a rattlesnake into a container and lock it up just for a laugh, or something like that. They aren’t worried about terrorist type bombs, or carefully thought out adult booby traps, but just teen and preteen pranks that can go bad. It was a big thing a few years back to (believe it or not) catch snakes or animals, or wasp nests, and put them in the trash bins and recycle bins, where they would jump out at the park people who came to empty them, or the park visitor who opened it next. Ditto for those unattended registration boxes.
I realize this is pretty unlikely as long as the cache is hidden well enough that a drunk teen wouldn't stumble upon it, but the parks service doesn't understand that yet. To them it is the same thing.
I too agree that an ammo box painted orange would be a far better choice, but I’d be willing to concede on the container issue if they’d drop the 4-month limit.
[This message was edited by LongDogs on January 10, 2003 at 11:28 AM.]
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Yeah, watcher is exactly what I was thinking about. It would be hard to do on Palm, though, because of all the resource limits. (Slow CPU, almost no heap or stack, 30 x 30 char display.)
Still, something similar could still be done. I was thinking about a Windows based program to convert the GPX to a palm DB that could be read by a companion palm program. I might could do that. I just don't know when I'd find the time. Been too swamped lately.
I've also heard rumors about ExpertGPS for Palm.
I thought I remembered reading some time back that somebody was already working on a palm program for the GPX format.
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Has anyone developed, or is anyone working on, a GPX viewer program for the Palm?
I've done some palm development, but don't have time right now to do justice to an attempt at developing this. Especially if someone is already working on one.
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Well, this will certainly prevent me from considering placing any caches on Arkansas State Park property. The 4-month limit is pretty severe, since most caches around here get one or two visits a month. Clearly they don't understand geocaching, or more likely, just don't care. It is the old mentality that the parks aren't for the people, and the people are just a nusance to those in charge of the parks.
I'm sure they feel we should be grateful they'll allow geocachers the privelege of entering their property.
I'll remember this next time a vote comes up to raise taxes to support the parks!
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Team LongDogs is in central Arkansas. We've yet to place a cache, but we did take over maintenance on "Fun for Fido and the Family."
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How do you log your return visit?
As a "Found It" or just as a "note"?
I logged a return visit as a found it, basically to indicate the cache was still there, but in retrospect, a note might have been more appropriate. A "Found It" doesn't mess up any counts or anything does it?
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I know McToys seem to be the bane of most geocachers, but to my youngest son and his friends, they are the greatest treasure they could find. They get real bummed if the cache has "only grown-up stuff" in it.
I'll never forget the one where my older son took a pocket knife and left a leatherman type tool, and I took a kindness coin and left a little first-aid kit. My younger son said it was a dud cache cause all we got was a dumb coin and a knife he couldn't have anyway, and "there wasn't anything else but camping and grownup stuff". Likewise, he chose not to leave one of his McToys. To him, though, TNLN was a major disappointment.
In my opinion, we are adults and we are in it for the hunt. It is the kiddies that get the thrill out of the "treasure", and they LIKE McToys.
That said, my favorites are coins and signature items.
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Has anybody seen this logo? Know where it came from?
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Originally posted by skydiver:
Cummon, admit it. Deep down, you _knew_ somebody was going to
http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=geocachingpd to be the first.
Wow, I can't believe that in the other thread everybody voted against the GX logo and went with that totally new one.
Just Kidding. 
Still, it would have been safer to see what everyone decides upon. Also, I prefer the "rustic" version of the logo.
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In my comment on the symbols for the font, I didn't tell anyone where to send them.
You can send them to logos@longdogs.net
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Originally posted by geospotter:Have you considered adding other geocaching items to your True Type font? Sort of like Geocaching Wing-Dings?
I'd love to fill the font with geocaching symbols. I'll add anything anyone sends me. You can send them to me at logos@longdogs.net. Remember that it will be black and white. I can convert most image types, and can convert it to monochrome, but most color images don't look good in monochrome. Note that truetype fonts are black and white only, not grayscale or shaded.
I'll take the time this weekend to add some of the other monochrome logos.
Any suggestions for the other symbols?
I WON'T add the Groundspeak logo except with express permission from them. I also won't add it if it means restricting the use or distribution of the font.
(I don't have the time or desire to become the font-logo police.)
The perfect format for converting is monochrome about 600x600 in size. I'll have to convert it to a 2-color windows bitmap for the line tracing function of fontographer, but I can receive it in jpg, gif, png, tif, and too many others to name, and resize it if necessary. (Anything Thumbsplus can convert, which is a pretty long list.)
[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 11, 2002 at 10:21 AM.]
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Originally posted by Kouros:Very cool, longdogs... Have downloaded the nifty font, though I have no idea what it could be used for.
It makes it very quick and simple to create text based graphics like these, using a tool such as Xara 3D. It also makes it easy to use in a printed plain text document.
One question, though. When you write GeoCaching is it GeoCaching, or Geocaching, or always GEOCACHING. Which is preferred?
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I've added new samples and moved the old ones to another page.
Warning: big images that will load slow.
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I think it is safe to say that leatherman's #1 is getting enough votes that most future designs should incorporate it. It would be the basic geocaching logo, much like the little X man is the basic Groundspeak logo. Lots of more advanced designs are possible, but should incorporate the GX. I've posted a truetype font with the GX logo as the A and B characters on my site. That would make it easy to replace the G in any of the designs using the word geocaching with the GX logo.
I'd say sigint's work is a VERY good example of incorporating the logo.
[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 10, 2002 at 09:31 AM.]
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I think it is safe to say that leatherman's #1 is getting enough votes that most future designs should incorporate it. It would be the basic geocaching logo, much like the little X man is the basic Groundspeak logo. Lots of more advanced designs are possible, but should incorporate the GX. I've posted a truetype font with the GX logo as the A and B characters on my site. That would make it easy to replace the G in any of the designs using the word geocaching with the GX logo.
I'd say sigint's work is a VERY good example of incorporating the logo.
[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 10, 2002 at 09:31 AM.]
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Ok, didn't have time for anything really cool like I wanted to do, but here are some more examples of our proposed new logo.
The page will load slow as the animated gifs are big.
[This message was edited by LongDogs on October 09, 2002 at 11:39 PM.]
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GC9999 is about 60% of the way through the possible numbers.
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I think we should give it time. There may be talented and creative individuals out there who only hit the discussion groups on weekends, and I'm sure we don't want to miss out on their ideas.
After all, most of us had almost made our minds up (well, had some favorites, anyway) before we ever saw leatherman's submission. Now it is the #1 choice. I'd still like to see some more advanced designs incorporating variations of his logo. I'd like, for example, to see if the mudbug design could use it instead of the X. Maybe a little larger than their X, so it would be well recognizable.
Gustaf's #5 is still good, and I'm wondering if we could get the XG on it someway.
I expect we'll still see some more great ideas incorporating the XG into more advanced designs.
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Sissy-n-CR first called it the "XG" logo in the other thread, and that just stuck with me. Doesn't matter to me if it is XG or GX. Either is a LOT easier than typing "Leatherman #1" every time.
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Sissy-n-CR first called it the "XG" logo in the other thread, and that just stuck with me. Doesn't matter to me if it is XG or GX. Either is a LOT easier than typing "Leatherman #1" every time.
Arkansas State Parks RULES
in South and Southeast
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Permits are still required but are for 1-year at a time with 1-year renewals at the descretion of the park staff.
Ammo boxes are ok (maybe even encouraged.) The "transparent" requirement was struck from the rules. The container is at the descretion of the cacher, but must be approved at the time you get the permit.