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  1. We usually submit our cache finds through GSAK via the geocaching API if we have found more than a few at one time so hopefully this does not get in the way of the, as described : "finding special bonus items that are revealed when you log geocaches" Although like some of the others above we really don't pay much attention to souvenirs, badges, the leader-board, or these special events. We just like caching and don't go out of our way to chase these things, so far.
  2. A fix was deployed and a note to that effect was posted in another thread. Seems to have fixed the problem.
  3. Should have mentioned, Firefox 75, Windows 10 here as well. Current version of all OS's and browsers. Glad is is not just us.
  4. Clicking on "View Larger Map" link on a Geocache web page opens up a new page with the green banner across the top but no map, just blank white area below. If I click "Play" on the banner and choose "View Map" in the pull down menu it does correctly display a map. It tried with the default map set to Google Maps and Leaflet. It does the same thing in Firefox and Edge on multiple Windows machines and an android phone. I tried the phone our local WiFi with and on Cell data. Same result all around. Anyone else experiencing this?
  5. Well, it seems to be working properly again. Strangely the URL linked from the control still appears to be "https://www.geocaching.com/account/dashboard#" but clicking on it takes you to "https://www.geocaching.com/account/lists" Something must have changed. Hope it continues to work.
  6. Noticed tonight that the "Your Lists" link in the new Dashboard page does not work in Firefox (65.0.2 (64-bit), Win 10). On the Edge browser the "Your Lists" menu item is by itself on the left hand side, fourth down under Leaderboard, and it works. Edge browser On Firefox the "Your Lists" is menu item is in the separate LISTS box further down the page under the FRIENDS box and its hyperlink points to "https://www.geocaching.com/account/dashboard#" which points to the current page so does not go anywhere. Firefox If I manually navigate to https://www.geocaching.com/account/lists in Firefox it works fine. All other menu items seem to be the same between the browsers. Hope this can be fixed up. Lee Go Play Outside
  7. @noncentric I did consider that as well, good point. I made up a one page quick reference for my Mom, basically line from line from the manual plus a closeup picture of the buttons since most of the text is worn off the buttons on most of their GSPs. Here is what I gave them in case anyone else might be able to use it. How to delete all waypoints at once from GPS. 1. Press “Find.” 2. Select “Waypoints,” then press “Enter.” 3. Press "Menu", Select “Delete” then press “Enter”. 4. Select “All Symbols” then press “Enter”. 5. Select “Yes” then press “Enter”. There are a couple of ways to do it but this seemed the most straight forward.
  8. Great suggestion. I looked at this website but found one big limitation of this app. The Free version will not allow you to use it on more than one computer. I looked around a bit more and found a similar tool that actually let me convert it online with out downloading a program to do it. http://www.f2ko.de/en/ob2e.php I created an executable file and it works great on my computer under Windows 10. I called it SendToGarmin.exe and you can put it anywhere you your hard drive and associate it with .gpx files in Internet Options. It will call EasyGPX and silently send a downloaded .gpx geocache file to a USB connected Garmin GPS. Just like the batch file version. This will work with all versions of Windows and is easier to set up. Here is a link to the SendToGarmin.exe I created. https://drive.google.com/file/d/19xkd_wXWTD7F59XFF9C7lVwucF4ZF8-h/view?usp=sharing I will update my post above with this extra functionality. Thanks
  9. Good points NYPaddleCacher. I use all of those and Love GSAK which I have used since 2004. I liked Mapsource better than Base Camp for a lot of things. Admittedly the methods I outline above may seem like a lot of work to replicate an old feature for old GPS devices but it is for a reason. My parents are in a minority but have some specific needs that I am sure are shared by others. I spelled out some of their requirements in my original post that I link to in my post above. Some of them specifically are: They are older (79 & 80) with very limited technical capability A very limited ability to learn new programs and specifically complex ones. My Mom learned how to use email and a web browser in the last 10 years since we introduced them to Geocaching just so they could cache. My Dad is succumbing to dementia/alzheimers and is loosing his ability to read. They own 4 GPSMap 60 series devices, some donated to them as older ones started falling apart. Note that my parents have found almost 11000 caches since 2004 using these devices and mostly manual loads under the old system. They are on a fixed income and do not want to buy a new GPS that can accept .gpx files natively. They do not want to/can't learn a new user interface used on the new GPS devices anyway. They have limited mobility and there are a lot of caches around our area that they can not do safely. My Mom carefully reads every potential cache including logs, attributes, and D/T ratings to decide if they could or should try to go after it. Only then does she load it into the 2 or 3 GPS's they usually use. One for each of them and a spare in case one does not work properly. She then prints out the cache page for reference and to make notes on. Their GPS devices only hold 500 or 1000 waypoints at a time so they don't want to just load a batch of everything in the area via pocket query or GSAK download that I could automate for them. Batch loads (which I have done for them) inevitably loads caches on their GPS that they should not do but tempts them to try . Despite their limitations Geocaching is still their main source of physical activity and recreation and one the the few entertainments my Dad still enjoys. They also like to go on caching trips out of town and with limited waypoint storage, bulk downloads are often not a practical way to load the GPS's. All this to say that the loss of the "Send to GPS" feature compatible with their older GPS's was a big hurdle to them. It completely blocked their ability to Geocache. The solutions developed above, while a bit cumbersome to set up, will restore their ability to easily load specific caches onto their existing GPS with no more effort that the old "Send to GPS" button did. Allowing them to continue caching like they have done since 2004.
  10. Hello all, Success! I have come up with 2 methods to load individual caches onto older Garmin GPS's Note: I have edited Method 2 since my original post after JimJinks pointed me to a utility that will convert a batch file to an executable .exe file. I left a posting on the original Release Notes thread a while ago where I explained how this change affected my parents and their ability to selectively load caches in their older GPSMap 60 series GPS s. The post is here: Over the last few months I have been loading their GPS s with GSAK for them but I have been meaning to get back to this issue to see if there was a solution that would allow them to regain the ability to load a cache, one at a time. This weekend I knuckled down and came up with two methods depending on your version of Windows. Method 1 with EasyGPS you can do it in 5 clicks per cache Method 2 and GPSBabel (using a slight variation of above technique) you can load a cache in 2 clicks! I use Windows 10 at home and worked out the first system but could only get it down to 5 mouse clicks. I went to my parents who use Windows 7 but could not get the first method to work on their machine. I tried variations of the batch file technique from @JimJinks and got it to work and it is more streamlined than any version I have seen so far. Method 1, Windows 7, 8, or 10 and EasyGPS program Do once to set it up: Install the Free version of EasyGPS. Download it here https://www.easygps.com/download.asp Run the downloaded installer program to install the application. Follow the prompts and use the default location for installation. Run the EasyGPS program and under the "Edit" window choose "Preferences" and Add your GPS Make and model so it knows how to talk to it. This will also associate GPX files with the EasyGPS program To load caches with the GPS connected and turned on : On the cache page click on “Download GPX” near the top of the page below the coordinates, or from the pop up window on the map page when you click on a cache. Make sure “Open with” is selected and EasyGPS is next to it. Click on “OK” When the EasyGPS program opens: Click “Send” button near the top of window Click "OK" on Send to GPS popup window Click the “X” in the top Right corner of the EasyGPS window to close it. Go to the next cache and repeat Method 2, Windows 7, 8, or 10 and GPSBabel program. Do once to set it up. It seems like a lot but it is a detailed step by step and only needs to be done once: Install free GPSbabel program. Download it from here: https://www.gpsbabel.org/download.html Run the downloaded installer program to install the application. Follow the prompts and use the default location for installation. Create a batch file in a folder on your computer. Here is the step by step: Note a click on something uses the normal Left button on the mouse and Right click uses the other button on the right side, that you usually don't use. I have put a copy of this batch file on my Google drive and the link below will allow you to download it. You can preview it to see what it contains. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_unRSYD9cDiOSxSQbBCqM5Pux63mzNBY/view?usp=sharing The above section with the line through it will only work on Windows 7. A better solution now is this next section which will work with all versions of Windows. I created a tiny program called SendToGarmin.exe which replicates the actions of the batch file JimJinks created. You can actually put it anywhere on your hard drive. My instructions below specify a new folder step by step. Feel free to put it somewhere else if you are comfortable with Windows. Here is a link to it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/19xkd_wXWTD7F59XFF9C7lVwucF4ZF8-h/view?usp=sharing Right click on the line above and select "Open in new tab" on the popup window. Go to that tab and choose "Download" to save it to your computer. When prompted click on "Save File" In the new window where it prompts you where to put it, scroll up or down on the left pane of the window to find your the "C Drive" and select it by clicking on it. Click on the "New folder" button near the top of the window. Type LoadGPS to name it and press the Enter key to name it. Double click in this new LoadGPS folder to open it. Click the "Save" button to save it there. This is what is in the batch file / executable: If you or someone you know wants to, you can create your own batch file by copying these commands into a text file and renaming it to a bat file. It is essentially the same as the command in the top post except I removed the quotes around %1 in the first line and added a second line to delete the downloaded GPX file after it gets sent to your GPS. "c:\Program Files (x86)\GPSBabel\gpsbabel.exe" -i gpx -f %1 -o garmin -F usb: del %1 Setup continued... Click on the windows icon on the bottom Left corner of your monitor and type "internet" on the keyboard. It will pull up a list of programs and commands that start with Internet. Click on "Internet Options" under the heading Control Panel Click on the "Programs" Tab Click on the "Set Programs" button Click on the line "Associate a File Type or Protocol with a Program" Scroll down the list until your see ".gpx" on the left and click on that line to select it Click on the button on the top right called "Change Program" Click on the "Browse..." button to bring up a selection window In the box near the bottom next to File name type in C:/LoadGPS/Sendtogarmin.bat Or alternatively you can navigate to this file using the folder and file lists windows Click on the "Open" button to set the batch file as the program associated with gpx files Close the windows to get back to the desktop. You are done the one time setup! To load caches with the GPS connected and turned on : On the cache page click on “Download GPX” near the top of the page below the coordinates, or from the pop up window on the map page when you click on a cache A small window will appear at the bottom of the screen prompting you to open the gpx file. Click "Open" The file is converted and sent to the GPS by GPSBabel. That's it. 2 clicks! Method 1 is an easier setup but more steps to load each cache. Method 2 it is more complicated to set up but it is as easy to load as it was before. The only thing keeping Windows 10 from being able to use the second method is that you can not associate a file type to a batch file, as far as I can tell. Only .com and .exe files. If someone can find a way it would allow you to use the second method. We have to use a batch file to allow us to pass command line arguments to GPSBabel. I tried to use a shortcut to the program and add the arguments to it's properties but that did not work. Fixed now that I created an exe file. The first method would work better if repeated downloads of .gpx files would load into an already open instance of EasyGPS. You could download a bunch and send them all to the GPS at once. Unfortunately each time you download a .gpx it opens a new copy of EasyGPS with that single cache in it. You have to send the cache to the GPS and close each window. If anyone finds a better method or a tweak for one of these please let me know or comment in this thread. If you need more details for some of these steps, I or others on the forums will be glad to help. Thanks @JimJinksfor the batch file. My Mother is very happy that she has the ability to load caches again like she used to. Lee Go Play Outside
  11. Hello all, Success! I have come up with 2 methods to load individual caches onto older Garmin GPS's Note I have edited Method 2 since my original post after JimJinks pointed me to a utility that will convert a batch file to an executable .exe file. I left a posting on the original Release Notes thread a while ago where I explained how this change affected my parents and their ability to selectively load caches in their older GPSMap 60 series GPS s. The post is here: Over the last few months I have been loading their GPS s with GSAK for them but I have been meaning to get back to this issue to see if there was a solution that would allow them to regain the ability to load a cache, one at a time. This weekend I knuckled down and came up with two methods depending on your version of Windows. Method 1 with EasyGPS you can do it in 5 clicks per cache Method 2 and GPSBabel (using a slight variation of above technique) you can load a cache in 2 clicks! I use Windows 10 at home and worked out the first system but could only get it down to 5 mouse clicks. I went to my parents who use Windows 7 but could not get the first method to work on their machine. I tried variations of the batch file technique from @JimJinks as posted by @kunarion above and got it to work and it is more streamlined than any version I have seen so far. Method 1, Windows 7, 8 or, 10 and EasyGPS program Do once to set it up: Install the Free version of EasyGPS. Download it here https://www.easygps.com/download.asp Run the downloaded installer program to install the application. Follow the prompts and use the default location for installation. Run the EasyGPS program and under the "Edit" window choose "Preferences" and Add your GPS Make and model so it knows how to talk to it. This will also associate GPX files with the EasyGPS program To load caches with the GPS connected and turned on : On the cache page click on “Download GPX” near the top of the page below the coordinates, or from the pop up window on the map page when you click on a cache. Make sure “Open with” is selected and EasyGPS is next to it. Click on “OK” When the EasyGPS program opens: Click “Send” button near the top of window Click "OK" on Send to GPS popup window Click the “X” in the top Right corner of the EasyGPS window to close it. Go to the next cache and repeat Method 2, Windows 7, 8, or 10 and GPSBabel program. Do once to set it up. It seems like a lot but it is a detailed step by step and only needs to be done once: Install free GPSbabel program. Download it from here: https://www.gpsbabel.org/download.html Run the downloaded installer program to install the application. Follow the prompts and use the default location for installation. Create a batch file in a folder on your computer. Here is the step by step: Note a click on something uses the normal Left button on the mouse and Right click uses the other button on the right side, that you usually don't use. I have put a copy of this batch file on my Google drive and the link below will allow you to download it. You can preview it to see what it contains. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_unRSYD9cDiOSxSQbBCqM5Pux63mzNBY/view?usp=sharing The above section with the line through it will only work on Windows 7. A better solution now is this next section which will work with all versions of Windows. I created a tiny program called SendToGarmin.exe which replicates the actions of the batch file JimJinks created. You can actually put it anywhere on your hard drive. My instructions below specify a new folder step by step. Feel free to put it somewhere else if you are comfortable with Windows. Here is a link to it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/19xkd_wXWTD7F59XFF9C7lVwucF4ZF8-h/view?usp=sharing Right click on the line above and select "Open in new tab" on the popup window. Go to that tab and choose "Download" to save it to your computer. When prompted click on "Save File" In the new window where it prompts you where to put it, scroll up or down on the left pane of the window to find your the "C Drive" and select it by clicking on it. Click on the "New folder" button near the top of the window. Type LoadGPS to name it and press the Enter key to name it. Double click in this new LoadGPS folder to open it. Click the "Save" button to save it there. This is what is in the batch file: If you or someone you know wants to, you can create your own batch file by copying these commands into a text file and renaming it to a bat file. It is essentially the same as the command in the top post except I removed the quotes around %1 in the first line and added a second line to delete the downloaded GPX file after it gets sent to your GPS. "c:\Program Files (x86)\GPSBabel\gpsbabel.exe" -i gpx -f %1 -o garmin -F usb: del %1 Click on the windows icon on the bottom Left corner of your monitor and type "internet" on the keyboard. It will pull up a list of programs and commands that start with Internet. Click on "Internet Options" under the heading Control Panel Click on the "Programs" Tab Click on the "Set Programs" button Click on the line "Associate a File Type or Protocol with a Program" Scroll down the list until your see ".gpx" on the left and click on that line to select it Click on the button on the top right called "Change Program" Click on the "Browse..." button to bring up a selection window In the box near the bottom next to File name type in C:/LoadGPS/Sendtogarmin.bat Or alternatively you can navigate to this file using the folder and file lists windows Click on the "Open" button to set the batch file as the program associated with gpx files Close the windows to get back to the desktop. You are done the one time setup! To load caches with the GPS connected and turned on : On the cache page click on “Download GPX” near the top of the page below the coordinates, or from the pop up window on the map page when you click on a cache A small window will appear at the bottom of the screen prompting you to open the gpx file. Click "Open" The file is converted and sent to the GPS by GPSBabel. That's it. 2 clicks! Method 1 is an easier setup but more steps to load each cache. Method 2 it is more complicated to set up but it is as easy to load as it was before. The only thing keeping Windows 10 from being able to use the second method is that you can not associate a file type to a batch file, as far as I can tell. Only .com and .exe files. If someone can find a way it would allow you to use the second method. We have to use a batch file to allow us to pass command line arguments to GPSBabel. I tried to use a shortcut to the program and add the arguments to it's properties but that did not work. Fixed now that I created an exe file. The first method would work better if repeated downloads of .gpx files would load into an already open instance of EasyGPS. You could download a bunch and send them all to the GPS at once. Unfortunately each time you download a .gpx it opens a new copy of EasyGPS with that single cache in it. You have to send the cache to the GPS and close each window. If anyone finds a better method or a tweak for one of these please let me know or comment in this thread. If you need more details for some of these steps I or others on the forums will be glad to help. Thanks @JimJinksfor the batch file and @kunarion for starting this thread, contributing to the other ones and working toward a solution. My Mother is very happy that she has the ability to load caches again like she used to. Lee Go Play Outside
  12. Well I was hopeful that a suggestion by niraD to use the Lists feature might be the answer but sadly no. From a List you can "Send to Garmin" or "Save .LOC" file. There is no option to save to .gpx. When I tried using the circle with 3 dots context menu next to a List entry in the List Management page one of the options is "Send To Garmin". This requires installation of the Garmin Express app for Windows but when I installed that, Garmin Express said it did not support the older Mapsource 60 series GPSs, I had to install Web Updater. Web updater does not manage waypoints or any aspect of the GPS other than firmware updates. I also tried the "Download to .LOC" in the individual lists details page in hopes I could use EasyGPS to send them to the GPS but clicking on the button does not produce a file. It tries to do something but seems to fail. I think the feature is not working now. We are heading out camping for a week with no internet access so Will try to catch up and see if there are any answers then.
  13. A great suggestion I had not considered. I tried it with a populated List but the only download options seem to be either "Send to Garmin" from the My Lists page, which may work like the old link ( I will try on my parents PC tomorrow) or from the actual List page "Download to .LOC" which on my PC does not download anything. No Download to .gpx anywhere. I will try tomorrow if I get a chance. Bad timing, heading out camping for a week on Sunday. Don't want to leave my parents hanging without a resolution for a week.
  14. (Video removed for brevity) Good idea AaronDodds. I am trying to help my parents be able to load individual caches in their older GPSMap 60 series GPSs (that do not accept GPX downloads). See my post earlier in the thread I was thinking along the same lines and have been playing with EasyGPS today myself. What I had hoped to do and have tried, was to associate EasyGPS with .gpx files so clicking on the link in a cache page would launch the program and load the cache into it automatically. This works but unfortunately if you go to another cache and click the link on it, it launches another instance of EasyGPS and loads that single cache in it. 15 caches, 15 instances of EasyGPS each with one cache loaded. I have looked for settings or command line parameters that would force EasyGPS to reuse an already open instance if one is running but no luck so far. If I could get it to do that I think I could teach my Mom (age 80 with very limited computer skills) to download a bunch of .gpx files into one instance of EasyGPS and then send them all to the GPS with one command. If she has to download each .gpx file to a folder, specifying the destination with several clicks every time, then open EasyGPS, load all the files in the folder, then send to GPS from the program, then delete all the downloaded files so they don't get loaded again next time. That will be too complicated for her, much more tedious, and more chances for a mistake. My parents like to go on caching day trips and load dozens of carefully selected and "doable for them" caches at a go. A bulk load via GSAK or other api enabled application won't do. See earlier post for more details. Does anyone know of a way to prevent multiple instances of EasyGPS from loading with multiple .gpx downloads? Or another similar Windows application that will do that with an extremely simple user interface (not GSAK which I love, pay for, and use) and that can export the caches to an old style GPS that uses waypoints vice processing .gpx files directly? Thanks,
  15. I would like to speak up for my parents Oldsters Go Play Outside who like "fraager" above are 80 years old and like "horseshoechamp" above have older GPSs that cannot accept a GPX download file directly. This change has completely blocked my parent’s ability to geocache as they have for the last 14 years. They have 4 different Garmin GPSMap 60 series devices that they have accumulated over the years and have found over 10,000 caches, all of which were individually loaded (and in to separate GPSs) using the "Send to GPS" feature of the website. My parent’s computer literacy is very limited, compounded by my father’s recent and inexorable decent into Alzheimer/dementia. My parents learned how to use the internet and email in the last 15 years just to Geocache after we introduced them to the sport. Geocaching is their main source of physical activity and recreation. I moved them off of Firefox last year on to their old Internet Explorer to allow them to continue using Sent to GPS when that stopped working. My parents bought a new GPS a couple of years ago, a GPSmap 62 but the new navigation and menu system completely stymied them and I ended up exchanging my 60CS with them so they could continue using an user interface they were familiar and comfortable with. Changing to a new GPS compatible with GPX files is not only expensive but in their case not practical. As for using a desktop program as an intermediate, I have used GSAK for a decade or more and I know that my Mom will not be able to use it or likely any of the other GPX management programs without constant assistance. When my Mom called this evening to ask for help when the Send To GPS button disappeared I offered to load up all the caches in the city they are travelling to tomorrow using GSAK remotely on their computer but bulk uploads are not practical either. As I said, they are both 80 and the caches they can do these days are limited. And those limitations are not just defined by the Terrain rating. My Mom carefully reads every potential cache including logs, attributes, and D/T ratings to decide if they could or should try to go after it. Only then does she load it into the 2 or 3 GPSs they usually use. One for each of them and a spare in case one does not work properly (like I said, the GPSs are old too). She then prints out the cache page for reference and to make notes on. Because of this a bulk download of caches in an area would just add a lot of unwanted caches to their GPS and make it confusing and difficult to navigate cache to cache. They like to go on caching trips out of town and with a limit of 500 waypoint storage, bulk downloads are often not practical way to load the GPS anyway. The only solution I can think of so far is a scripted or automatic way of passing a downloaded GPX straight to a connected GPS without user intervention but I can’t see a way to do that yet. Failing that, this change that has been made that is supposed to remove a feature that was getting little use is going to have a huge effect on my parents and I can’t imagine they are alone in this. My father has lost the ability to read, he is almost deaf (has been for decades) but can no longer read subtitles on TV and his remaining forms of entertainment and passing the time are getting very limited. Geocaching is the one thing he wants to do to alleviate the boredom and this may be being taken away from him as well. I know this may seem like a unique and limited use case but it affects us and I imagine others as well. I hope there is a solution but I can’t see one yet. Lee Edit: update, just talked to my Mom again and she says that she is too old to learn a new GPS or new software. If I can't find a seamless transparent way to load caches on their GPS then they are done caching, which would be heart-breaking for them .
  16. Happening here too. Multiple computers with Win 10 and the latest Firefox. Very frustrating.
  17. We are also having this problem. Two different Win 10, anniversary update PC's and Firefox 49.0.2. The freezes seem to come more often when there are multiple geocaching map tabs open or multiple tabs on multiple browser windows. We usually use the leaflet map setting with Open Street Map default but it also happens with Google maps. My latest error is: A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script continue. Script: https://www.geocaching.com/acc…essage-center-header-widget.js:54
  18. Fair enough, the consensus seems to be NO to logging an adopted out cache to get them off the radar. I will suggest they use the ignore option and see if that does the trick. Thanks all for your input.
  19. Here is a variation on this subject; My parents have placed over a 100 caches over the last number of years and now that they are getting older they have adopted a number of them out to others that are closer and able to maintain them all year round. It has been a year now and they are tired of seeing all these nearby unfound caches that they placed but are now owned by others. Can they search, find, and log these as found, without it being considered lame?
  20. Thank you for your quick and helpfull responses. This is exactly what I was after. I tried searching the forums for this topic but I guess I did not use the right key words. Thanks again.
  21. We introduced my parents to Geocaching less than two years ago and in 6 months they had more finds than we had amassed in 3 years and today have over 1400. It must be nice to be retired They have cached all over North America visiting family and traveling. We just gave them a premium membership and are showing them pocket queries. I have generated a "My Finds" querie and I was wondering if there is a tool, GSAK feature, or some other mechanism that I could use to treat my parents like a travel bug and calculate the distance they have traveled in search of caches based on their cache logs logs. Thanks for any help. Go Play Outside
  22. We just bought a 60CS after a number of years with our trusty Legend. I have been pouring over the manual and reading up on the custom icons feature over the last few days and I think I know what the problem is. The GPSr is configured in the Geocaching setup menu to recognize a geocache waypoint by the icon is has assigned. By default a waypoint with a closed or open chest icon is treated as a geocache and otherwise as just a waypoint. EasyGPS sends waypoints to the GPS with the generic box waypoint symbol assigned to them. You can change them individually before uploading them but there seems to be no way to do it on a group or to change the default automatically assigned. Unfortunately this would mean that if you wanted to take advantage of the custom icons and give geocache waypoints icons similar to the geocache.com icons they would not all be treated as geocaches by the 60CS. Hope this helps. GPO
  23. Thanks for the advice. This is actually a bearing given in a geocache. GCNBJ9 It was given in an odd maner and I though that was sort of the way it was done but I had not added the seconds to the minutes before converting the minutes again. There was also a typo in the answer I posted above but thanks again.
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