Although it might seem that we are new to geocaching, we are not. This summer we just decided to do alot more without the people we were with last year. This whole situation has been a painful look at how some people would rather criticize things about others in public, instead of just contacting them. This cache has since been removed, although there are a few cachers who have taken it upon themselves to make sure that it will not be forgotten. I will also like to state that if the NSS want their caves to be hidden, then they shouldn't advertise them on websites. They should also understand that if they would like for people to donate money to support these locations, they need to have a more optimistic outlook on the people visiting. I feel that all natural areas need to be protected, but shutting off these areas to all of the public is not the answer. 99% of all cachers take pride and consideration in placing their caches, this includes making sure they are not destroying or in anyway hurting the area of the site. The original cache for this location was sitting on the mud inside the cave, not even touching a rock. After the cache was retrieved by a board member for the cave, who is also a cacher, the cache was changed to a virtual one. The only thing required to get credit for the cache was a photo standing in front of the cave. Even this was decided to be forbidden by the cave manager. To this date, we can't figure out why this is still a problem. They state that geocachers are vandals and should not be visiting and destroying their site. We don't think that geocachers should be characterized in such a poor manner. This cave as well as others that the NSS and other cavers frequent are being destroyed more by their visits, since they actually go inside the caves and crawl, climb and repel their way thorugh them. Don't they think that pounding metal clamps and footholds into the rock sides, ceilings and floors are causing more damage to the cave than a few people walking into the first few feet to retrieve a plastic container sitting on the floor? I really wonder if they are worried more about us destroying the area or if their worried that we'll see how much they are destroying them. I realize that we should have asked permission to use this site, but since we read the rules of the cave that are posted, we didn't think we were breaking any of them. Next time we will be a bit more tactful when using a place like this for a cache site.
The Buzzard's