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GEO*Trailblazer 1

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  1. If you go to topozone.com and you start at the Missouri Base line, at the 5th Principal Meridian 36 30.00 the reading is near 91 00.30, at 37 00.00 the reading is 90 59.00 and so on, looks like it is a slightly curved line, I still dont understand if the 5th Principal is on or near 91 00 00 that the initial point has a value of 91 03 07, I sure hope that this is not racking your brains, I have heard all kinds of explanations for this but know exactly what was done and am trying to see if anyone else can figure it out as well. You do not have to have a license to be smart!!!!!!!!!!! only the will to want to know, maybe I will persue getting one. though!!!
  2. If you go to topozone.com and you start at the Missouri Base line, at the 5th Principal Meridian 36 30.00 the reading is near 91 00.30, at 37 00.00 the reading is 90 59.00 and so on, looks like it is a slightly curved line, I still dont understand if the 5th Principal is on or near 91 00 00 that the initial point has a value of 91 03 07, I sure hope that this is not racking your brains, I have heard all kinds of explanations for this but know exactly what was done and am trying to see if anyone else can figure it out as well. You do not have to have a license to be smart!!!!!!!!!!! only the will to want to know, maybe I will persue getting one. though!!!
  3. If you program a true line of Lattitude from say 93 00 00 , 37 00 00 to 00 00 00, 37 00 00 you come up with the angle of approximately 57 degrees +-which has to do with radian measurement which has no arbitrary units, if you watch the space shuttle lift off angle it is 57 degrees? I am still learning about this type of system so no quotes please maybe one of the smarter members might have something to say on this one
  4. BM,Cassville , 6.6 mi. SE. of along Hwy. 86, near center of section 12, TWP.22 N., R. (26) W., 40 ft. W. of HWY. and 16 ft. N.of road SW., 10 ft. SW. of fence corner standard tablet attached to copper coated steel rod, 3.5 ft. lower than the road SW and Stamped "5HBS 1973" 1491.793' 36 37.82 93 48.15 Lohmer Tower reading is 36 40.03 93 42.47 Bench marks are directly beneath and one at the SW corner of the tower. "Stamped Lohmer 1942"Standard tablet. The bench mark list that I have I got from the BLM Third-order levels National Geodetic Vertical Datum 1929, Final adjustment of 1974, Barry County, edition of: 6-10-74 PR: ADP/cb "United States Department of the Interior Geological Survey" 36-093-43, Cassville Quadrangle 28- Missouri N3630-W9345/15, diagram NJ 15-11 Harrison N.G,S. (USC&GS) Vertical Control Data A. Quadrangle No. 360934
  5. A minute is a unit used to measure both time and angle. World Book Encyclopedia (Minute) A circle is divided into 360 degrees, so one minute is 1/21,600 of a complete circle.Each minute of an angle is divided into 60 seconds. The minute in time is an exact measurement, which means exactly so much time.The minute of an angle is an exact portion of a circle, and is independent of the size of the circle. But if the angle is denoted by a linear measurement along the circumference of the circle,the distance of a minute depends on the diameter of the circle. On the Earths surface it is 1 (one) nautical mile, about 6,076 feet.See Mile World Book Encyclopedia Degree, Because Longitude and Lattitude lines are circles, they are also measured in degrees.so if you use the figure 1 Minute = (60 seconds) = 1 mile @ 6,076 feet divided by 60 = 101.266'per second of time. 1 minute = (60 seconds)Land Measure Mile 5280' divided by 60 = 88' per second of time. These are just my observations , using the 1906 (GLO) Plats, Survey of all Missouri, Geodetic Scale 37-38 Degrees 1:31680 Scale GPS and Monumentations (Bench Marks from 1909-2002)
  6. From this initial point then, why are all the monumentations of the Townships,not in order?, That is 6 miles by 6 miles if you begin from this initial point then the Range Lines or Township lines should correspond, Range 1 should be 6 miles,Range 2, 12 miles ect. these are the Range lines.Maybe I was wrong in the way I presented the issue in previous discussions.
  7. The reading 38 38 48 91 03 07 as the Initial point according to my calculations throw the Range Lines off by a couple of miles according to the usgs maps datum, maybe I am wrong!!! if you start Township 1 Range 1 from this reading. I have several of the Townships, and sections 22,23, Range 25-26, 26-27 27-28,corners recovered, these can be as fun as finding benchmarks as well, and all the witness corners ,trees, and the monuments associated with them
  8. Since the times of the earliest surveys, the townships and sections have been located with respect to Principal axes passing through an origin called an initial point;the North-South axis is a true meridian called the Principal Meridian, the 5th Principal for Missouri, and the East-West axis is a true parallel of lattitude called the base line. This is True lines 91 00 00 38 00 00, ect. is it not?, which are logitude and lattitude if you base these measurements from the Prime Meridian being Greenwhich 00 00 00 , according to the GLO or General Land office book 1906, and the analysis of the United States Surveys,same book and the Principal Meridians,Base Lines, and areas Governed there by,same book entered into the Library of Congress, which I have in my posession show these type measurments,I also have the 1973 BLM survey Manual as well as many other survey books. the key map from the old book is the best example of them all. It actually shows all lines in Missouri as well as the Principal Meridians and Base lines for the entire USA. thanks for keeping my mind working in this, there are still several unanswered questions
  9. The initial point was made by astronomic observations on a true line of longitude or the local hour angle, prior to the adoption of the Greenwhich hour as the standard ,local surveyors made their observations on their local hour angle,and astonomic observations for lattitude angle much like the GPS automaticaly does for us, the older surveyors had to be very knowledgeable in the locating of lines. if you mathmaticaly start from a true meridian Township 1 Range 1 6 miles by 6 miles less the convergency of the meridians you will find interesting math coorealations . thes will also correspond to bench marks and triangulation stations. I am still working on a few bugs of my own i have had to study and learn alot of this on my own. And am still trying to learn more!
  10. That being at 37 degrees longitude. The present system of Governmental Land Surveys adopted by Congress 7 May, 1785 "Rectangular System", that is, all its distances and bearings are measured from Two Lines which are at right angles to each other,viz:+. These Two lines,from which the measurements are made,are the Principal Meridians, which run North and South,and the Base Lines that run East and West. Is this not Longitude West from Greenwhich? you can as what another person suggested for the measurement put way points as true lines of Long. and Lat. ie. 4 points 93 45 00 36 00 00 , 93 46 00 37 00 00 ,93 45 00 37 00 00 , 93 46 00 36 00 00 i think i got that right i am sure if its not you'll catch it!
  11. Actually at 37 degrees longitude one degree = 55.4 miles, one degree of lattitude =69 miles the average of (88 feet+-) = 1 second of time has worked real well for me. do not have the precise breakdown readily available but you can do the math how precise is precise. 1.1 nautical mile = 60 seconds I believe. thus the Rectangular Survey System of the Public Lands
  12. I am still new at this so bear with me. Lohmer Tower Fire Look out Tower 1942 Army Corp Engineers Little Rock, near Cassville Mo.When I get a camera that I can use on the computer I will submit the pictures. I have an idea the President Bush's newly formed freedom corps see at www.usafreedomcorps.gov the volunteerism, work(play) and or adventures could be put to a good cause helping in the Homeland Defense, the accuracy of the GPS system could be employed for a Public good instead of being banned from the Public Lands!
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