Jumpin' Jack Cache

Some people are just wound too tight, I reckon.

Is it FTF week on the forum schedule? Seriously, no, as long as the Co and CoFTFers are copacetic with it, ignore sour grapes from others. It's supposed to be a "fun, light activity" (I think I read that somewhere).

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<declined to quote due to length> Hardly set off or targeting anyone. It was just turning into the same thing. Someone dared to post a positive post about numbers and the first two replies were negative. It gets old and tiresome. Yours wasn't actually that negative and I actually tend to agree with you (TWU ) on more points than you might think. Come to think of it, I'm not really sure why I replied to yours. I've met and am friends with folks with find counts on both ends of the spectrum, and all in between. That's the number that means most to me. I've met some that I could do without meeting again, too, and found caches that didn't do much for me (yes, I logged them). My point is that the numbers-haters tend to jump in and take over any thread that mentions numbers. Numbers happen when one caches a lot, it doesn't necessarily follow that one caches a lot just to get numbers. I think that was what PA was trying to say.

It is amusing to see that "numbers" people seem to be those who claim to not be concerned about them, and watching them deny it. More finds = more chances to run into people. And I'm pretty sure that you won't be so dishonest as to claim that all Terracaches, Waymarks, Geocaching Challenges, ForSquare waypoints, & etc. take you to great spots and that none are on private property. Snobs, I say. Snob? OK, yes. For example, I took a mini-vacaction in Geneva, NY this week (Finger Lakes), and the two closest caches to the hotel were parking lot micros. Did I drive by them about 15 times, and find caches in town on the local college campus (placed by an employee) and along the lakeshore downtown? Yes I did. Well yeah, I never mentioned Foursquare, but I do that too. Apparently over 3,000 times in two years. I stand by my major point. I don't need to find anything and everything that manages to get listed as a Geocache on Geocaching.com. I do other stuff. Or I drive right by them and keep going. I am not a slave to anything that has a waypoint and a cache page is something I need to find. I don't need to find anything and everything, either. But I don't make a point of bitching complaining talking about the ones I choose not to practically every day on the forum, either. Maybe because they don't meet the guidelines, and should have never been listed on this website in the first place, but are listed under an "assume permission, and look the other way" policy? I'm OK with that. I will always be OK with that. By the way, you don't see the difference with me using my GPS enabled smart phone to click on an "I'm here" button with my fingernail at Wal-Mart, as opposed to acting like a k00k out in their parking lot, and lifting up a bolt weather cover to find an object that was placed there without permission? I can't help you there, then. You're OK with that, but feel it necessary to mention it (too) often...check. It's less k00ky to just click "I'm here"...check. You can't help me...nah, I learn a lot from y'all anti-numbers, wise old timer, forum jockey types...just not exactly what you intend I'm just trying to provide some balance for the newbies who will see this thread with a good proportion of the "numbers-poohers" weighing in. Seems a few are missing so far, one is on vacation & another seems to be "challenged" lately, but I'm sure they'll weigh in eventually. Newbies: There's nothing intrinsically wrong with numbers and I'm pretty sure that Wal-Mart has realized that people are molesting light poles in their parking lots on a regular basis. Caches there are a handy way to figure out where to go if you need a quick battery fix or other emergency caching supplies.

Pocket Queries are your friend.

It is amusing to see that "numbers" people seem to be those who claim to not be concerned about them, and watching them deny it. More finds = more chances to run into people. And I'm pretty sure that you won't be so dishonest as to claim that all Terracaches, Waymarks, Geocaching Challenges, ForSquare waypoints, & etc. take you to great spots and that none are on private property. Snobs, I say. Snob? OK, yes. For example, I took a mini-vacaction in Geneva, NY this week (Finger Lakes), and the two closest caches to the hotel were parking lot micros. Did I drive by them about 15 times, and find caches in town on the local college campus (placed by an employee) and along the lakeshore downtown? Yes I did. Well yeah, I never mentioned Foursquare, but I do that too. Apparently over 3,000 times in two years. I stand by my major point. I don't need to find anything and everything that manages to get listed as a Geocache on Geocaching.com. I do other stuff. Or I drive right by them and keep going. I am not a slave to anything that has a waypoint and a cache page is something I need to find. I don't need to find anything and everything, either. But I don't make a point of bitching complaining talking about the ones I choose not to practically every day on the forum, either.

I hope you're not suggesting that the number of caches found is any sort of an accurate metric for ones love of geocaching. There are all sorts of factors which can contribute to how many geocaches someone has found. Starting many years ago helps. A retired couple simply has a lot more opportunities to go caching than someone that works full time and has family obligations. Someone that lives in a place like Ottawa has 4190 caches to find within 30 miles. If you lived in Beijing, China you'd have 105 available to find. blah, blah, bla, blah < substitute for a lot of words I refrained from using, not a comment on or summary of your post. Fact is, the more you find, the more involved you are (excluding pontificating on these forums). Involved may or may not equal love, but it means more involvement, by definition.

It is amusing to see that "numbers" people seem to be those who claim to not be concerned about them, and watching them deny it. More finds = more chances to run into people. And I'm pretty sure that you won't be so dishonest as to claim that all Terracaches, Waymarks, Geocaching Challenges, ForSquare waypoints, & etc. take you to great spots and that none are on private property. Snobs, I say.

Alot. A lot. OCD much? Often Crackup at Discussions? Very often Oh, well then I do that, also. I thought your acronym was for Order Cheese Danishes. If you're buying...

Alot. A lot. OCD much? Often Crackup at Discussions? Very often

Alot. A lot.

OCD much?

I started to follow up on that post this morning but ran out of time before I had to go to work. I've found caches in 22 states (and 13 countries). In 12 of those states I've found 3 or fewer caches. As you said, places are important. How many caches I find in those places, not so much. And pointing out how many places you've been at every opportunity means nothing either? Right?

Do you spend an inordinate amount of time on the forum putting down people who are "into the numbers"? If so, maybe you should admit that you are "into the numbers". Hmmmm?

I put the micros and nanos in drawers, larger ones in cabinets, The really nice ones, I display on shelves, rotating according to camo and my present decorating scheme... Oh I leave it to the website & keep a paper notebook on days with more than a few finds, but usually just the name to keep them in order, occasional notes...

Emotional OP + Big Ego pimping his new job title. Both eliciting responses + counter-responses = many pages of going in circles.

I can't imagine any scenario where it would be a good thing for geocaching. But we know by now that you lack imagination outside of NJ, right?

It happens. Usually no more than once per new hider. Best to laugh with them about it.

Joined in '02? I'm not buying that line. I think the debate about desert ecology is an interesting one. I think the two arguments quoted above are silly and, yes, they surprised me. I was tempted to reply to this with a remark about being either naive or something else and passed. Reading back through the first couple of pages, naive is out, so it's the other thing. Naive would have put you in the "not very observant, so ignore" category. The remaining choice puts you in the "pot-stirrer" category. Congratulations! BTW, saying that the responses surprised you, sans naivete, puts you in another category.

You're obviously hallucinating. Nothing there but cachers trashing the environment. Driving around & yelling "take that, momma Gaia!" And cows, but cows don't count.

Too bad you can't see the bushwack trails through the trees. A while back you claimed to actually care about the environment. Now you are actually expressing regret because imagined damage isn't significant enough to be visible from space? I think your true colors are showing... again. If the only thing that can bring you joy is habitat destruction, I feel pity for you. Truly. If my grief for you brands me a tree hugger, or bunny hugger, I will have to bear that shield. If there were some magick wand I could wave to make you at least mildly environmentally conscious, I would do so, but I am afraid, contempt as deep rooted as yours is truly incurable. While there have been other opinions in this thread I have disagreed with, your's is the only one I've seen which publicly lamented a lack of damage. Not sure how to respond to that. Pax vobiscum... To be as twisty with words as you have proven to be, you sure give a good try at ignoring sarcasm but don't quite pull it off. How about an honest comment? Seems you are familiar with that particular series. In fact, much of the verbiage on the ones I glimpsed seemed hauntingly familiar.

I respect your skepticism, but I would have hoped something similar about the buried caches misconception w.r.t. the NPS. I'm not saying it *will* happen - and I definitely hope that it doesn't - but yeah, it's something I think about. I think there's gonna be more vegetation damaged here, frankly.

Joined in '02? I'm not buying that line.

Just hit the "report" button below and to the left and ask the mod to close the thread. Good luck with your cache.