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They can't. The only possibility close to that would be if the Current Cache Owner adopted out their cache to New Owner, and New Owner changed it to a PMO cache. Or if a cache is archived (by a reviewer for non-maintenance or abandonment, or by choice by the cache owner) and someone else puts out a new cache with the same name in that same area, making it a PMO. In this case, the cache is a new one, so the old logs will be gone, and GC number will be different. But it might APPEAR to be a cache that was there but is now PMO with a different owner. Hope this helps! thanks for that. i think we will keep up with my kids' found caches in waypoint form, instead of relying on them always being listed online via geocaching. glad i found this early on in the game

What is this (↑) all about? This thread is not a cell phone vs. stand-alone debate. It is a thread about adjustable settings and route functions of a GPSr device. If you have some positive input to the question posed, it is welcome. It may help if you were to read the opening post/question, rather than to [try and] pick apart singular posts in a thread. That is trolling, at best. it was suggested the phone would not work (as gps, i dunno?) somewhere. i clarified.

Says the guy with 7 cache finds in 2+ years. When you are out all day, away from the car, or it might get wet or dropped, the phone loses its appeal. Each device has its place. For the odd cache near by your car, the phone works great. For a day out hiking finding dozen of caches, not so much. Exactly. Last Saturday I was out caching for 11 hours straight, and found 49 caches while covering approximately 200 kms road distance (not including hiking several kms into the woods). My phone as a support device was almost drained. My standalone GPS only dropped 1 bar during the day. use airplane mode and offline maps.

Says the guy with 7 cache finds in 2+ years. When you are out all day, away from the car, or it might get wet or dropped, the phone loses its appeal. Each device has its place. For the odd cache near by your car, the phone works great. For a day out hiking finding dozen of caches, not so much. geocaching is about 2% of my time outside. the majority is hiking, dualsporting, or dirtbiking. the phone is always on the bars, recording, or guiding, and it's batteries are usually around 30-70% remaining when i'm exhausted and heading to camp. tracking 50 miles of singletrack, or 400 miles on the street, isn't a big deal for the battery. plug it in at camp, or swap in a fresh one. no biggie. dropping a phone isn't a big deal. mine gets washed off in a mud puddle or with a camelbak. it's three years old and fine. (see casio c811, casio c711, the slew of samsung rugged devices, the iphone otterboxes, similar) what is this 'car' you speak of ? ;-)

It's basic to everything in life...you don't take what belongs to someone else. One must rely on the honesty of others. There is usually no reason to take a cache belonging to someone else, and that is part of the "honour system" of geocaching. You might do well with reading the Help Center: http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php Finding a Geocache Learn all the basics you need to get started geocaching. http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=25 3.2. How do I find the geocache and what should I do once I've found it? http://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=528 B. i tried search through there, and via google, and came up with a bunch of 'how to become premium!' but not much else. specifically, i'm looking for how a person takes someone else's regular cache, delists it, and makes it premium for themselves.... so i can prevent it with my own, shouldi ever place one that meets the mounds of requirements.

You only get to see non-PM caches when you import them into your app or look on the website. I don't know what you did so you see the PM caches but it shouldn't happen. I can only suspect you got the caches from someone who is PM. BTW, if you know the GC code you can log the caches you've found by using the correct URL (I have to look it up as I don't use that function but I've read it several times). i thikn the folks that suggested it went from funcachce to pay-wall'd are probably right. the only pay-waller i know uses a garmin, so there isn't any sharing from there, since we didn't lug a laptop.

thanks for the bump to where it should be. thanks for your and on4bam's info. i didn't realize there was a pay-wall side to geocaching, or that the pay-wall could acquire caches people had already placed. i'll keep my phones old waypoint and waypoint attached pictures of kids having fun geocaching, at those sights but bypass those from now on when we're out that way. now i'm pretty sure we've broken some rules by bluetooth'ing waypoints to each other, not knowing the old caches had been taken by the pay-wall. is there a list of caches that went pay-wall, (not locations, just a list!) so I can mark them off my waypoints list ? i'd like to find the ones i can log, instead of wondering if the servers are having issues, or my connection is failing. thanks !

AHA ! I'm really not current on the rules of geocaching as far as premium this or pay-for-it that. if i need to delete the coordinates in my earlier posts to protect the pay-for players, just let me know. Is there are rule about taking someone else's cache, and turning into your own pay-for-it cache ? how can this be avoided ?

Currently the intro app does not filter out any caches by default, although it does "lock" everything but Events and Traditionals for basic members. If a cache shows up for you on the web, it should show up on the app (if it doesn't, let us know - that's a bug!). If they aren't showing up in either spot, it's likely they're PMO or Archived the intro app got uninstalled very shortly after trying to use it, and i switched to locus. the cache does not show up on the downloadable caches list, or the online list, so i don't think it's a bug. (very good point!) I updated the caches approximate location (+/- 6 feet according to my wonderphone) to about 33.286803, 86.863258 on the google mappage. it's an easy find in that area. this is a bit of a sidetrack, but when the focus changes from finding a cache along a route to 'pay money to find elite stuff everyone else cant!' the interest just goes poof. it's fine if geocaching wants to do this to make a profit, just not something that holds any value for me.

the geocaching servers were having problems the day i went to log our find, so no, i could not log the find. i've looked on other member's lists and the cache is not shown no matter the filtering preferences there either.

Which app are you using? Oh, wait, I see you've posted this in the Android Intro App subforum. Were they all in the vicinity of the one you logged as "found"? http://coord.info/GC28E2Z There's a bunch of PM caches in that area. You can look at the map of the area of the one you logged: https://www.geocaching.com/map/default.aspx?lat=33.28945&lng=-86.86028#?ll=33.28945,-86.86028&z=14 GC codes, if you know them, will help a lot. B. i'm using the locus application on my phone, with the geocaching api plugin. occasionally GC'ing will balk at more downloads and beg for money, so we'll just stop playing for a few weeks. I added the location to the previous post. it's a fair distance from the cache you linked, but on the same path.

Do you know the GC**** code? If so go to http://coord.info/GC**** and if all goes well you'll see the listing. Maybe the cache was "temperately unavailable" or "archived". I recorded a waypoint for the cache at 33.28676, 86.86325 while i was there, because i thought it was odd the cache was still located, but not listed on the website. i do not have the GCcode for it since i stopped using the official app shortly after that. (the official app is not very good)

Yesterday I took the kids caching along an easy path. Caches we have found in the past were still there on the trail. When I started to log the cache on my phone the caches were no longer showing in the app I like to use. I figured this was just a "geocaching killed the api or something to promote some other app" thing, and carried on. When I returned home I expected to see them listed on the main website (chrome browser, mac os blah) but found they were missing there also. The caches were in good condition, recently found, new logs, and the coordinates still accurate ( +/- 8 feet accuracy on my wonderful waterproof android phone ). Anyone want to enlighten me as to what normally causes this to happen: caches to be pulled from the listing, but still out there being found ? Thanks !

You don't "need" a PC. You can make is work using a phone or tablet and the right gear to transfer information, if you like. correct, but also proving my point, that a standalone can't do much without help from other devices. since i already have that other device (a smartphone) in my pocket, the standalone is redundancy.

1 the phone will 'work' everywhere that the standalone will. with or without cellular signal. 2 i get 2 days of tracking from a charge on my android... but that's with airplane mode ;-)

that highlighted part about needing a PC to do anything with a standalone is a big reason why i'll never buy another standalone.

Install Locus or Locus Pro on your S3, and use it for a while. It does -everything- a standalone gps can do, all offline (no cellular signal needed) and then some. Geocaching (and OPENcaching) works very well on smartphones. The waypoint notifications are excellent for leaving the device in your pocket and listening for the increasing frequency of beeps, which indicate proximaty to the cache. tracking, routing, turn by turn navigation, FREE MAPS, and every function of a gps you ever imagined, in ONE APP, for free. yes, it works without cellular signal/data yes, it works without wifi too yes, the maps are FREE (USGS topo/base/satellite) vector, osm, lots more no, you really do NOT need cellular signal yes, i'm sure yes, the battery will last long enough (if you enable airplane mode) yes, it's extremely accurate ( i'm looking at +/- 4 feet accuracy, sitting in my basement )

1 excellent, it's better than a garmin 2 if you buy a tablet that comes with a built in gps antenna, there it is (most do nowadays) 3 see 2 4 see 2 (yes) 5 wifi (data) and cellular (data) are used for downloading MAPS, APPS, MUSIC, VIDEOS, and whatever else you want to use on the tablet. there are a TON of good geocaching, OPENcaching, and GPS-centric apps for android. I would suggest trying out LOCUS / LOCUS PRO, OSMAND, or even the geocaching app (it's not really that bad) when you purchase a tablet. a ruggedized (waterproof/dropproof) phone works better for geocaching than a tablet. it's pocketable, runs for a LONG time on battery power, has EXCELLENT gps aquisition, and very very cheap compared to handheld (standalone) gps units. i've been rocking a Samsung Galaxy Rugby Pro (amongst other devices) for a while now, and rugged phones are DEFINITELY superior to stand alone gps devices. phones that rock in the woods: kyocera brigadier kyocera hydro kyocera torque casio commando 4g samsung rugby samsung rugby pro yes, they work without data signal. no, i'm not mistaken. yes, the gps is just as accurate (if not more so) than a fill-in-the-blank-garmin. no, maps aren't hard to find yes, it ALL works offline, without cellular/wifi signal. welcome to 2015, get cachin !

Maybe it's time to make GOA available (AND SELL IT!) to smartphones ?

i remember hearing from friends about problems with the gps firmware on the nexus 5 series. i don't recall if it was the latest firmware available from google that would fix the problem, or the 4.4.2 version (earlier). i can remember this happening on a galaxy s (blaze) with a particular firmware, and that was the only issue i've seen with the last 10 or so cellphones/tablets i've used for GPS positioning. currently i have 4 phones that lock within about 4 seconds of starting my GPS applications, so by the time the app loads, it's done. it's a good idea to reset the GPS (agps) datas when traveling from one area to a new area hundreds of miles away. those same phones are accurate to +/- 9feet if i stand still, and with gps averaging, about +/- 2 feet. these are NOT glonass units either. ;-)