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Char1ieJ

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  1. Well, we have a resolution. The original CO gave me his written approval to take over the cache. I'm in the process of making some edits, adding some new info and getting the cache ready to send for review. The GZ will be the same. The history text will be largely the same. But, I'm adding/editing to make it my own. I don't see the original cache listing becoming unarchived. From what everyone here says, this is the next best thing. A "new" cache from the old one. And the blessing of the original CO for the entire process. Thanks again to everyone who contributed. I appreciate it!
  2. Well, I have good news. The original CO replied and gave me permission to take over the cache, along with the history information contained within the text. I plan to change elements of the cache, but keep the same GZ. And, as suggested, I'll give him credit/pay homage to his original work. From original CO: "Charlie, You can set up a new cache if you like. If you want to use the same information of the cache that I did you can or do one yourself. The cache is archived. So the area is free. Thanks, Ed" I have a cache ready. Now, to get the text written up and edits made. THANKS AGAIN for the advice and support folks.
  3. The cache listing page description remains the intellectual property of the cache owner even after archival, so copying it would be a copyright violation. Personally, I'd ask permission. Would you consider this previous email from the CO as permission to take over? "The one I shut down can't be undone. If you want, you are welcome to place a cache where it was located. It's open now. I've moved out of the area. I'm unable to take care of them like I want. Thanks, [name redacted]" I don't want to misinterpret or cause any issues, but I really don't want this cache to die. I wouldn't interpret the quoted passage to mean you have the owner's permission to copy their listing page description. Since it appears they removed their container, their email really isn't giving you permission to do anything that you can't already do without their permission. Namely, you currently can put a new container at the archived location and create a new geocache listing page. Since copyrights don't cover titles, you're free to use their old cache listing title without any permission issues. For example, "Old Title" or (probably better) "Old Title - Redux." You can ask missioner to be polite, however it is not a copyright issue. So, two ppl say I can just take over the archived cache -- the original CO has removed his cache. One person says I can't bc the description is copyright protected. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I don't know... I can say this - I'd *much* rather have the original CO endorse my using the description, whether it's "legal" or not. I think it would be in poor taste to just grab the guy's description w/o his permission. OTOH, I don't wanna see the cache die. Maybe I could use the publicly available historical info, change the clues with orignal dataI research & write... but arrive at the same GZ (esp since the CO gave me permission). Would that be a suitable compromise in the event I don't hear back from him?
  4. The cache listing page description remains the intellectual property of the cache owner even after archival, so copying it would be a copyright violation. Personally, I'd ask permission. Would you consider this previous email from the CO as permission to take over? "The one I shut down can't be undone. If you want, you are welcome to place a cache where it was located. It's open now. I've moved out of the area. I'm unable to take care of them like I want. Thanks, [name redacted]" I don't want to misinterpret or cause any issues, but I really don't want this cache to die.
  5. That's pretty much correct. The Groundspeak guidelines state, "Archived caches cannot be transferred, and rarely will archived caches be unarchived for the purpose of adoption." More exceptional circumstances than "it really is a good cache" probably are required before Groundspeak would unarchive a cache for purposes of adoption. I'm sure I can give more compelling reasons to allow adoption than "it really is a good cache". It's actually a mystery cache with A LOT of historical information about a small town, along with "puzzle info" that leads to the GZ. The cache itself wasn't that special, but I'd like to make it special -- and maintain it. Nonetheless, I'm going to wait a few days to see if the CO replies. If he doesn't have a problem with me taking over, I'll ask him to start the adoption process (to see if it will work or not). If he raises objections, I'll just drop it and let the cache die -- but that would be a shame. If he doesn't reply further at all, he already gave me permission to set a cache at the location. If ppl use the archived cache, they can find what I place there (with his approval) instead of nothing at all. Anyway, thanks again for your advice and the link to the article. I'm still reading and learning...
  6. With the owner's permission, you could create a new listing page that uses the same coordinates, the same cache container, and the same listing page description. It would simply have you as the new owner. THANKS for the advice folks. I just emailed the original CO and asked him if I could have his permission to "create a new listing page that uses the same coordinates, and the same listing page description". I also offered (as an alternative) to change one part of the Mystery Cache description, so the end result (GZ) will be slightly different -- with a brand new, totally different cache. In addition, I gave him a link to this discussion, so he could see what's being said. He is a geocaching.com member, so hopefully he'll see the topic and agree not to let his awesome Mystery Cache go to waste. I am awaiting his reply.
  7. The topic title & decsription says it all. There is a nearby existing cache that I think it really cool. The CO has moved away from the area -- and is no longer able to maintain it. As such, he recently "archived" the cache. I offered to take it over, but he said that once a cache is "archived", it cannot be reactivated. I'd like to know if there is a way, with the CO's approval, that I could "legally" take over and maintain the cache. Any suggestions or policy information would be appreciated. I think he would let me take over the cache, but doesn't seem to think there's any way to do it now that the cache status has been set to archived. It really is a good cache, with a lot of work put into it. I'd hate to see all that work go to waste -- and I am within one mile of the GZ a few times every week (so maintenance would not be an issue). THANKS for your help!
  8. Hi there! I'm Char1ieJ... from southeastern NC / northeastern SC. I live and work in the Whiteville / Loris / Myrtle Beach areas. I'm a 49yo married father of three, certified computer geek who is an rabid semi-pro photographer. I just started geocaching after off & on thoughts of the hobby for almost a year. laughhead turned me on to the idea, but I didn't really start looking into it until I decided to come up with a hobby my 12yo son (newly registered as FuryF0x) and I could do together. Ya see, I had a major heart attack in July, 2012, so my priorities have changed. I need the exercise, love any excuse to shoot photos and wanted to spend more of my time with him. Anyway, we started the great adventure last Tuesday evening, conquering our first cache - EZTrak's Strolling Through History (a multi-part Mystery Cache) in Tabor City, NC. We were immediately hooked -- and have since logged eight more caches, plus a pathtags coin, a GeoCoinClub coin and a 2006 released Geocoin Trackable that's seen almost 22,000 miles on its trip thus far. This week, we are going to release our first Travel Bug, complete with a brand new cache in the Myrtle Beach area. I'm looking forward to the 12.12.12 MB event -- and meeting a lot of you in person. FWIW, I activated a Travel Bug on my vehicle last night. I know those aren't always popular, but I thought it might get discovered at the MB event, along with year round tourists in the area. If you're close by and want to add a caching friend to your list, hmu. THANKS! Char1ieJ
  9. I'm a complete n00b to caching. I'm very interested in trackables -- both TBs and Geocoins. Is there any place I can purchase a really interesting TB or Geocoin (or both), for my first hide/cache? I know of a public place in southeastern North Carolina AND one in Horry County South Carolina in mind where not many caches are located -- and I want the TB to be desirable enough that cachers will go looking for it. Point me to a link or send me a PM. I am *not* made of money, but I'm willing to spend a few bucks to get started off with a bang.
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