Texsox

Nice work. My issues, unfortunately are more making my Palm work with Vista.

If the owner wants to "delete" my find, that is cool. Makes them feel good, I'm all for it. Does it erase my experience? No. If the cache owner wants to pretend I was never there, lol, fine, we'll pretend I was never there. But I am going to laugh at y'all who will have a great day in the outdoors ruined based on what someone else marks on an internet log. But then again, maybe my kids will love me more or I will get a raise based on my find totals.

This is why I stopped logging finds for about a year. And I rarely even opened them. Played tag like in salt water fishing. Touched the leader and called it a catch. How much fun are you having after finding that cache?

You keep pounding a square peg into this round hole. Again, I think you have a great concept, why not develop it? I'll bet that website would love to hear about your idea and may even offer to help develop some web tools to make it happen. To me it's like someone showing up at a screw factory with a wrench and then pounding on the wrench until it loosens screws.

Doesn't sound like much of a team or teammate if you aren't yelling out "found it" to everybody on the team. We usually allow each of us to find it. Once we see it, we'll keep looking and slowly back away from the area and say, BTW, it is there The second person has the satisfaction of yelling Found It!

That seems to be their role. They interpret the rules and apply them using established guidelines. If they did not, and allowed anything you come up with to be posted, then why bother having local reviewers? Since it is *your cache* why even list it here?

Better solution. There are people who would love to solve these at home, using their computer. Fully develop the concept and start a website. I think you are onto a great idea, just the application is not quite perfect.

Of course, you made the assumption that the note referred to you. I didn't log any finds for over a year. I sometimes would look at the logs, but rarely signed any. So it could have been moved by a cacher who came after you. And what is the minimum requirement to be called a cacher? A screen name? An account? Or anyone who happens to find it and not toss it in the trash? This kind of stuff was why I stopped logging and looking at these forums. The "He logged a DNF when it should have been a Note" and "He was rude" and "He didn't like my hide" etc. are pretty silly in the grand scheme of life. People take these logs way to seriously IMNSHO. But play it the way you feel it.

Just wondering about team etiquette. I was out with someone who slyly found one and placed it back. She would not give me a hint, and I was about to walk away and log a DNF or Note. I finally found it. Would you allow a team member to walk away without finding it?

I guess you will have to get really drunk and hide a few.

No one likes to be accused, unfairly, of something so egregious. Why not post a note saying, wasn't me, possibly muggled?

Sorry, but in your own words, it is really meant to be done using that tool. When that tool becomes primary and getting out and actually visiting becomes secondary, it does not fit. One could say that finding any caches is a waste of gas. A citywide, well constructed, series of caches would be very cool and I would love to get out and follow it. I'll bet many others would also. Personally, I do not like using Google Earth, it takes away from the surprise. But would never presume to tell people how to play the game.

It depends on how much aggravation you want. He was there and unless he is an amoeba, he probably learned something. I'd let it go, but I have other things in my life to aggravate me

I climbed a lightpole at Wal Mart thinking it was at the top. Then I lifted the dust cover j/k

Couple random thoughts all in general, many apply here. The hider wants the finder to play by *their* rules. Doesn't always happen. The hider wants the finder to love the hide. Doesn't always happen. The hider deserves the finder to be respectful and vice versa. Doesn't always happen. Most of the world does not play the game and could not care less. There should be more to the sport then blindly following an arrow. Doesn't always happen. People are not serving time and paying $$$$ fines for being in the neighborhood park after hours. If a big enough deal is made about those trespassing, eliminating the activity that causes them to trespass would seem a logical solution. I've met everyone from teenagers to retirees while looking, Dems and Reps, vegans and meat lovers. Why we would think that a GPSr would bring everyone together to sing songs and get along is kind of silly. So do like you do in real life, ignore the mean people.

I was just looking over my area and fixin' to (y'all know what that means, but for the Yankees that means, getting ready to ) add 400 waypoints to my Garmin and thought I would cover a very wide area, turned out 20 miles from my home coordinates was all it took. (78541 land) So how many close to your home? Figured another way, and if I am doing my math properly, in my town of 50,000, we have about one cache for every 250 residents

Excellent. Nice work. I hope you have an equally nice location for the hide.

This is why I am glad there are so many cache around my house. I see it is a guard rail and move on. If it was remote enough, I may snoop around, but I would walk right pass anything to do with the bolts. As far as creative, the finder will see this and think very creative, the first time, after that, not so. Just think, right now, someone is in a Wally World parking lot, staring at a light pole and thinking, where in the world could this be??? Wow! Cool. How creative to hide it under the dust cover! Wait, someone else, in a different Wally World is having the same experience. Wow, another. And another . . . It's only right that you should Play it the way you feel it

Let's be fair to the reporter, it was what the police said. I think everyone spent about as much time on this story as appropriate, almost none lol

While no one should take foolish chances, the incidents of violence in the back country are extremely rare. If we applied the same standards, no one would walk a city street, or drive a car. But we accept those risks because they are in environments we are familiar with. Of all the safety issues in the woods, you are the most likely to cause harm to yourself. Sprains, getting lost, bad water, cooking, and a myriad of other things. And sadly, two legged animals are far more dangerous than the four legged kind.

What sort of crossing is required? Water to your ankles, knees, waist? Does the terrain change with the seasons? Knowing that might be something the next person would like to know.

Overall, I would be more worried in urban areas, but my job keeps me in the woods and I'm comfortable and confident. 10 Essentials There are hundreds of sites to learn about them. I would move the whistle, for each member of your group, into the 10. Do not worry about food, you can go weeks without food and survive. But for kids it is a great comfort. And teach the kids what to do if they get lost, hug a tree and blow their whistle. Rule of 3s You can survive . . . Three minutes without oxygen Three hours exposed to freezing cold Three days without water Three weeks without food. The ten are for each member of the group, and carried on them. You could get split up. Also, learn how to use a map and compass. The GPS is a great tool, but a map and compass and the ability to use them, is the greatest backup. Start with a street map and have everyone learn how to follow a route. I've taught literally hundreds of people to use a map and compass.

I'm new, how does deleting that note help anyone? Isn't the log a history of what happened?I'm not getting what was gained by deleting.

I also would think you would want the feedback. If the next twenty people all told similar stories, you have some data to work with. It would have been rude to offer no feedback.

I agree, we could theorize some excellent places for a fake trash cache. I just wonder why someone would want to send people to that spot? Do they hear an inner voice saying, this rusty bucket is so cool, I want to share it with everyone? But hey, we've wasted a ton of bandwidth on this. Some people will place a few in those places, I seriously do not see it becoming widespread.