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Thank you everyone for your input. I am glad that I started this post. Now, having read your responses, I clearly realize that placing the cache which I had contemplated would be a bad idea. Cemetery caches are such a sort of taboo/tricky area that I felt it was best to ask before I just went and placed something. Hopefully others in the future who have similar questions will find this thread and learn from it. I think that I will for now put the idea of a cemetery cache on the back burner and give it some more thought. Thanks for your input. More thoughtful discussion on the good and bad of cemetery caches would also be welcomed.

Hello. I have a question: There is a no-longer-used abandoned cemetery nearby. One of the once-tall tombstones has fallen over into a few pieces. There is a small hole in the top of one of these toppled pieces of tombstone that a 35mm canister would fit in perfectly. Only the top of the canister would stick out a little. I would place the canister in the hole and then cover the top of the canister with glued-on sand, so as to emulate the sandstone tombstone it would be sitting in. Think about those caches with the hollowed out stick stuck into the side of a tree basically. I don't know if anyone has ever placed a cache in a cemetery where it is actually touching a gravestone. Is this forbidden or worse, desecration? I actually want to draw people to this place and maybe help organize something to get it cleaned up and soforth if possible. If the concensus is that a cache touching or sitting on a tombstone is not allowed or illegal or whatnot, I would have to then at least ask why any physical caches are allowed anwhere in any cemeteries at all. I mean is a micro behind a tombstone or in a tree in the cemetery any less disrespectful than a cache sitting on a tombstone? Thoughts? Thanks!

There's one at Casperton Beach near Venice Florida that wants to go to Ohio. Loomis

The previous poster asked what is Slashdot. Slashdot.org is a sort of news for nerds Website which runs stories every day. The stories are either posted by users or by the admins. The stories generally focus on tech news, open source software news (i.e. Linux), copyright issues, and anti-privacy/anti-freedom politics. Users then discuss stories in forums, and other users moderate the forums at ramdom. If your Website is linked to via a Slashdot headline, you can expect your server to take a *heavy* hit and possibly burst into flames from all of the traffic. Slashdot is very cool Website; I think I discoverd Geocaching through a Slashdot article a long time ago. Loomis

Hello. Recently I found a small cemetery located in an industrial area behind a warehouse. It is one of those things you'd never knew existed unless someone told you about it, even if you often drove by or lived by the area. Aparently this small cemetery was my city's first city cemetery, or so a person told me. Moreover, this cemetery inters a revolutonary was hero. However, the cemetery is in poor shape, and I feel confident that there are no surviving relatives that visit this place. I would perhaps like to either hide a micro there, or failing that have it be some sort of virtual leg on a elsewhere-placed physical cache. So my questions are what are my options? Would I need to contact the city and if so who would I contact and what would I say? Can one leave anything, such as micro or a plaque with the next leg's coordinates on it in a cemetery, or is that illegal? Any suggestions? Please keep in mind this cemetery is basically abandoned, although it looks like the city comes and cuts the grass once in awhile. It is a *very* cool area very hard to find and I would like people to learn about it and/or discover it's existance.I mean it would be a great challenge just to find the place. Thanks, Loomis

Looks great! I will post more often now. Faster too. Thanks. Great job! Loomis

Here's the scenario: I like benchmarking. I am on Ebay a lot. Last week a saw a benchmark disk on Ebay. The seller had found it in a box of junk in an old barn. I believe the barn belonged to his family. He listed it on Ebay. I bid $20. I thought if I won it I would report it as destroyed and use it as a coaster. Well apparently the seller received *several* emails about the item. Some were from an .edu domain and some were from a .gov domain apparently. Each email was basically a cease and desist letter, threatening legal action if the disk auction was not removed. The guy panicked, deleted the emails and ended the auction. I can only assume that someone doesn't want the disks to be sold, for others will go and steal them and try to sell them also. But I wonder why people got mad about one was that obviously not in use and had been sitting around in a barn for 50 years? I'm no expert. I have no clue. Thanks, Loomis

Irfanview is the way to go. I don't think telling a beginner to use the Gimp or Photoshop is very helpful. www.irfanview.com The best free graphics editor for beginners out there.

Hello! Like many of you, I have had my reservations about locationless caches. I feel that many are too easy, uninteresting, or uneducational. But generally I liked the more difficult ones, and I thought locationless caches as a whole were good because it is A) cold outside and a nice change, sorta like benchmarking. I don't have time to maintain a physical cache right now and it is very cold here. So I took a lot of time to think of a locationless cache, and I wrote it up and it was approved. Here it is http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=50742 But now I might be thinking that this locationless is too hard, and that no one is going to log any finds. This may or may not be because the item might only exist in my area (I am not sure. Trying to find out was part of the reason for creating this cache). So my questions are: 1) Do you think the cache will generate any finds (ie- will others find more examples of the item in question) ? 2) How long should I leave the cache up before giving up and archiving it? 3) Would it have been better to go with my second locationless cache idea, which was: "666 & 13" Find a photo of an address 666 or the 13th floor of a building (photo in an elevatior sorta thing)? I didn't do this one becuase I am not sure if every city skips the 666 address and if every building skips the 13th floor. Anyone know? And please don't steal this idea if it's a good one! Thanks, Loomis

Hello. I need help please. I am very confused. I have a locationless cache in the works (please don't swear at me; this is actually a good one I promise). Cachers who attempt my cache will be searching for geographic items that I know exist in my area. However, I do not know if these items exist elsewhere in the world. Part of the reason for creating this cache is to see if these items do indeed exist elsewhere in the world. So although my cache will be locationless, I want to include coordinates that would be centric to my area where a few of the items sought are known to exist. Sort of a starting point so to speak. Moreover, if these items do not exist elsewhere in the world, I at least want local cachers to be able to find them. In order for them to be able to attempt to find the items, I want to post generic local coordinates, so that the locationless cache shows up when a nearby cacher does zip code searches. Make sense? Please help me. I don't know if I should just go ahead and submit the cache as a locationless with coordinates or not. Thank you, Loomis

Here please look at this one: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=40717 This one is locationless, but it requires you to photograph historic Ohio markers. So basically it is locationless BUT locationless within Ohio. So I was wondering how one would search for all of the ones like this one? Is the only way to do so to use the pocket query thingy? Thanks, Loomis

Let me explain more thoroughly. I want to see a list of Ohio-only locationless caches. Essentially I would like to see all the locationless caches in Ohio. Some for example, are locationless but require you to photograph something in Ohio etc... you called these "rare." I want to see a list/do a search so I can see all of the Ohio locationless caches that I haven't found yet, so I can go do them. Hope this makes it clearer. Thanks, Loomis

Hi. Can someone tell me how, or if it is possible to, do a search like this: I want to search for every locationless cache in Ohio. I know how to search for all of the locationless caches in the country, and I know how to search for every type of cache in Ohio, but I do not know how to combine to two to yeild the results I am looking for. Thanks, Loomis [This message was edited by Loomis and Bughead on January 13, 2003 at 10:24 PM.]

I don't post here often, and I have less than 50 total cache and benchmark finds. However, I see caves as being very fragile environments and I would never place a cache in one or post the coordinates of a cave online. In my opinion, I think that the Geocaching.com rules / FAQ should specifically state that that placing caches in caves is not allowed, and I believe that any requests to place a cache in any cave should be denied. Many cachers will undoubtedly disagree with me, but I feel that caves are simply too sensitive, and any jerk with a GPS and a computer could come to this website and see coordinates and go to the cave and damage it. There are lots of other less-fragile environments to place caches in in my opinion. Loomis

Wow no idea how you found that. I have been looking for an hour and came up empty handed. Unfortunately I just sold an old board game that had the Gold Circle logo on the price tag, but I didn't photograph the logo before I shipped the game out. Anyhow, yes, it's been a *long* time, but I think that cake logo is/was it. If not 100% accurate it's darn close. Toe had mentioned Federated owning the Trademark; I though maybe K-mart fit in there somewhere too. Not sure. Would be worth checking out. Loomis

And those who do are subject to one, no two, no three types of torture! And they must sit in the comfy chair!!! Muwwwhhhaaaaa

Sorry for starting a new thread, but I wanted this to be seen. In looking at some of the other logo choices thread I quickly realized that at least one or two of them would probably be considered to infringe upon the old Gold Circle department store chain's logo, especially #A. This retailer is defunct and long bankrupt/out of business, but I just wanted to raise the point in case some company still holds/protects the old Gold Circle trademark. Unfortunately I cannot locate a picture of the logo right now but I will look around. What do you think? Thanks, Loomis

God, let me start by stating that some of the previous replies were *rather* biased. Here's a straight answer: Mac Pros: OS X. Fantasic OS. Based on the BSD Kernel. Pretty. Stable. Fast. Efficient. The best OS ever made for the general public. Ease of use, ala Firewire etc... Ability to get away from the corrupt Micro$oft monopoly, a company whose business practices and user treatment are quite corrupt. Few exploits. Attractive designs. Girlfriend/Wife acceptance factor is higher. Mac Cons: Lack of software. Lack of games. Lack of 3rd party internal hardware (ie- non-Apple manufactured motherboards etc...). Problems with the outdated Motorola architecture. Considerably higher cost due to aforementions cons. wIntel Pros: Tons of software and games and you name it. Can easily run many Linux flavors instead of Windows. Low prices; many choices in parts and/or machine manufacturers. The standard. Easy to find support. Familiarity. Workplace dominance. wIntel Cons: Micro$oft's dominance of the platform. DRM - Digital rights management that will ultimately, with the aid of both Intel and AMD, strip you of your freedoms courtesy of Micro$oft's Palladium, the MPAA, and the RIAA. Poor security in Windows platforms; thousands of bugs, virii, and exploitations in many aspects of the OS. Hope this helps, Loomis

I am interested in making a public domain logo, just as many others are. What is legally not copyright/trademark infringement and what is? Would, for example, being round and having four colors be ok, so long as they were four colors different from those already used? Or could it be square and use the same colors? Or is it the pie-cuts, shape, forts, colors, and icons in unison that make it a trademark? I'm not trying to be a jerk or sound stupid; I really don't know where the line lies between illegal copyright infringement and not. At what point does a trademark become infringed upon? It is a percentage or recognizability between the trademark and the infringer? I figure I'd better ask before I make anything. Thanks, Loomis

Thank for all of your input and advice. I agree largely with nearly everything that everyone has said. Rather than address everyone's points, I would just like to say that thru all this, and thru all of the emails that I have received, the one thing that sticks in my mind is that both my cache and the "In Gorged" cache were removed in a manner that further endangered people. These caches would've been MIA with people dangerously looking for them maybe for a week had we not found out what had happened via another Geocacher. Neither I nor the other Geocacher were or have been contacted since the caches were confiscated. The owner of the other confiscated cache contacted the Metroparks and they gave him the runaround and had no idea what he was talking about. He left his phone number. We'll see if they call back. Both caches had Bugs in them, so we'd like to at least get the caches back! Shucks, what can you do?

I cannot be angry or right about what happened, for you are correct in that I did not get permission to place this cache. However, my questions here regard the fact that the cache wasn't confiscated due to it being illegal per se, but because it was deemed unsafe. Safety verses confiscation and how that is determined is my question, especially when the park builds (and keeps open) a trail in an area that is apparently too unsafe to place a cache near. Loomis

Hello. My cache was just confiscated. Basically this message board message is a reprint of my last log, which includes a very polite email I received from fellow Geocachers and my response. I'm curious as to everyone's opinion on this matter, since the cache was confiscated only for safety reasons. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=31797 _________ We were climbing the stairs to your cache today, 9-08-02, when we met a park ranger coming down with your cache in his hands!!! We talked to him at length and he told us that the Park Commission decided to confiscate your cache because the cliff nearby was deemed too dangerous for folks to be wandering around off trail. He also told us that he was on his way to In Gorged to confiscate that cache next. Apparently for the same reason. Now for the good news... The officer was quite pleasent and just informed us that the reason for taking the caches was more for public safety than anything else. He also stated that the owners (you) would be contacted to retrieve your cache without any kind of reprimand! They just felt it was better to pull the caches in the best interest of the park and public. He also said that they (the Park Service) would be notifing GeoCache.com in the next few days. We asked him if there was any protocol to follow for getting permission to place a cache on their property and he said to call the main office and start working thru the many channels. He did say that it wouldn't happen (get permission) very fast. ________ Let me just say that I am extremely frustrated about what has happened. My cache instructed geocachers to stay on the trail until they got very close to the cache. The cache was only ten feet off of the trail *away* from the cliff, and it was 50 feet away from the deadly-steep parts of the cliff. If this area is deemed unsafe, then the Metropark System should close the trail. This cache was not dangerous if instructions were followed in my opinion. I suppose any cache in the Metroparks should be 1/1's placed on flat land maybe 6 inches off of the trail. Thus far no one has contacted me from the park system. It seems that this cache will be permanently archived soon. Thanks to everyone who enjoyed the cache while it lasted. Sincerely, Loomis and Bughead [This message was edited by Loomis and Bughead on September 09, 2002 at 09:12 PM.]

Very cool John Deeres. Apparently they are designed to operate in a manner which does minimal damage to the forest floor, as opposed to conventional methods. When doing selective logging for thinning, or in the case of removing a selected batch or individual damaged or diseased tree(s), these units can come in and do less environmental damage than driving trucks in etc... Loomis

Regardless of who painted it. Damage is done. The graffiti is illegal. Loomis