Cache U Nutter
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Its obviously not my 'shout' to pass this information onto Network Rail. Hopefully TPTB/Reviewers can deal with this.... Unfortunately for safety reasons we cannot allow any geocaches to be place on Network Rail's land. It is also a criminal offence for individuals to trespass on the operational railway and we are concerned that some of the geocaches are on rail property and may thus expose participants in your sport to the risk of prosecution and/or safety risks.... In this regard we would be grateful if you could provide us with details of any geocaches which .. may be on Network Rail's land so that we can investigate this further ...
Brian Wortman - Communications Executive - Govt & Corporate Affairs
Network rail, Community Relations, Kings Place, 90 York Way, London N1 9AG
tel: 0845 7 11 41 41
Just seen this .... UNBELIEVABLE !!!
is this an example of a Geo virus set to afflict us all ?
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Some of you will know that Little Miss Naughty and I meet up and go away caching loads each year - usually under canvas, but during the cooler months, we arrange to meet for a weekend with a cheapy travelodge deal and go caching.
Earlier this year I booked a weekend away caching for 26th / 27th March, at the Bedford Marston Moretaine Travelodge, but sadly, we cannot make it for the weekend now..... As we got the room on a special deal (£28 for the whole weekend!!!) we cannot get a refund.
Save the money we've already paid for the room going to the corporate waste bin, we thought someone else should make use of it, and get out there caching...
If you'd be interested in taking the room off us, you'd be more than welcome...
Drop me a line before February 1st... in the event that there'll be more than one person wanting the room, I'll decide on February 1st, and let the "winners" know....
There's loads of great caches in the area.... we've now rebooked somewhere else for the weekend before!!
It was all too good to be true what with you and little Miss Naughty. -------- Then I read the second Pharagraph !
Oh well it was a nice thought anyway
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I'm afraid that you are mistaken.
i'm afraid that you are not caching within the 'spirit and morals' of geocaching. Neither are you complying with the guidelines.Psst-read the guidelines for logging a cache at geocaching.com.
The guidelines for claiming a climb at mountainclimbing.com may be different. I wouldn't know.Logging of All Physical CachesGeocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been signed.
But if my name is in that log book, then I can claim a find on a cache listed here.
It's really that simple.
The bolded bit is incorrect, as it relates to whether an online find is appropriate.The cache owner clearly states the caching criteria and grades the cache accordingly.
Perhaps TPTB should take a closer look at your caches to ensure that they meet the guidelines.I have a number of extreme caches set up in the U.K and initially they were logged by those 'holding the torch, holding the rope or being there' !The only deserving cache loggers are those who either personally made the physical effort to reach and sign the log in situ, or replace it.
I now only allow these logs and delete all others.
This is not 'a couple of years ago.' Caches that met teh guidelines a few years ago do not necessarily meet them today.A few years ago one of my caches was logged by a cacher who stated in his log that he was unable to reach the cache. It was a premium member only cache and he had sent his young son up [non member] to get it [father was too rotund] The attempt involved climbing through a narrow opening and then scaling the inside of a chimney 60ft to a ledge then traversing around the exposed edge to reach the cache.I had actually stated on the cache pages and attributes that the cache was unsuitable for children but he still logged the cache ! [which I subsequentely deleted]
He was lucky he wasn't reported to the authorities !
Please be in no doubt that caches who do not comply with the owners guidelines should have their logs deleted oh and they should be 'labeled' as trying to cheat the system in owners notes.
Happy New Year
So your view is what exactly ? as a 'charter' member we really look forward to your constructive comments !!
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Psst-read the guidelines for logging a cache at geocaching.com.
Logging of All Physical CachesGeocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been signed.
The guidelines for claiming a climb at mountainclimbing.com may be different. I wouldn't know.
But if my name is in that log book, then I can claim a find on a cache listed here.
It's really that simple.
i'm afraid that you are not caching within the 'spirit and morals' of geocaching. Neither are you complying with the guidelines.
The cache owner clearly states the caching criteria and grades the cache accordingly.
I have a number of extreme caches set up in the U.K and initially they were logged by those 'holding the torch, holding the rope or being there' !
The only deserving cache loggers are those who either personally made the physical effort to reach and sign the log in situ, or replace it.
I now only allow these logs and delete all others.
A few years ago one of my caches was logged by a cacher who stated in his log that he was unable to reach the cache. It was a premium member only cache and he had sent his young son up [non member] to get it [father was too rotund] The attempt involved climbing through a narrow opening and then scaling the inside of a chimney 60ft to a ledge then traversing around the exposed edge to reach the cache.
I had actually stated on the cache pages and attributes that the cache was unsuitable for children but he still logged the cache ! [which I subsequentely deleted]
He was lucky he wasn't reported to the authorities !
Please be in no doubt that caches who do not comply with the owners guidelines should have their logs deleted oh and they should be 'labeled' as trying to cheat the system in owners notes.
Happy New Year
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Can anyone suggest a nice day out caching somewhere SW of London and not too far outside the M25...
Attributes... Nice walks/views/caches bigger than micros... not too many people?
We did Ockham Common and Wisley Airfield in the summer and it made a nice day out.
Thanks in advance
The Aardvark Family
It really has to be Sadexplorations 'Snow white and the seven dwarfs' series - Box Hill near Dorking on the North Downs, Brilliant views, great N.T tea shop, and fantastic adjacent caches- the best in U.K i reckon !
Train and bus services frequent and local.
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCMJ5N
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Completely off topic.. So here goes!
I'm off to Serre Chevalier in a couple of weeks for a spot of piste bashing and caching, and just found a site where you can get downloadable ski resort maps. So if anyone is contemplating sliding down a mountain avec GPSr, here's the linky..
I've just popped the full Europe mapload on my Colorado, and it looks to be worth the effort to download, especially as the maps are free.
And I've also just paid for the Snowranger maps too.. Aint that bloody typical!!
Great idea. Looked at web site and it seems there may be some Internet Explorer browser problems which need to be fixed for a down load. But will give it a go anyway.
Off to Morzine in Feb for some relaxation and maybe will get a chance to beat my GPS indicated top down hill speed of 64.0 mph. Not sure how accurate these units are at measuring speed on a gradient / at altitude however as it felt more like 100mph [when I lost control and fell !]
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def use something else - Andy, I can provide you with some excellent film pot sized containers with watertight screw top lids - just say the word! I'll try and return your 'non-cache' box as well!
But are they the same diameter as the film pots ?
If they are the 'medical sample' pots they are too narrow, especially when trying to remove logs in cold weather with cold fingers !
Re : the spare box [from an illicit physical cache for those who wish to know] Merstham Maffia say they wish to use it on a forthcoming 5/5 which I eagerly await !!!
By the way have you logged your recent escapade I set yet ?
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Most cachers place the pots lid up, but is this really the best way to keep the log book dry ?
Having come across a number of damp logs in the last few days and wishing to place one myself in an potentially wet place what are your thoughts ?
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'Speaking of Cornwall, if you've got a cache like Don't Look Down II (GCGNNE) it's immediately obvious from the page that it's not a trivial undertaking to find it. But for caches that don't have much text associated with them it seems that instead of looking on the map to see where it is, what the surrounding area is like, where nearby roads might be, or whatever, schemes like this still end up relying on other people to decide what caches you're going to attempt.'
This is where the rating system falls down.
This cache is completely overated at 4.5/4.5 as no actual climbing is required to find the cache.
The steep drop down to the sea is 50 ft away but there is some steepwalking in the area whilst searching.
The rating should really be reduced BUT for the fact that other cachers have indicated in their 'Logs' that poo is predominant around the area as the climbers use the area as a toilet !!
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Quality of caches - This does seem to be the common thread of everyones contributions.
When I am visiting a new area for a days caching or even just for half an hour I am presented with a bewildering choice of many different caches and it it sometimes difficult to 'see the wood for the trees' [i'm sure that there is a more appropriate Caching metaphor here]
If there was some kind of agreed 'Quality' rating published somewhere then it would make my life a lot easier for my caching descisions to be more selective.
Perhaps local members could put forward a shortlist of caches by category [puzzle, nice view, cunning hide, physical /extreme, historical, geographical .......] which they could all agree on .
They could do this by discussing and voting at an event or may be at a regional forum site.
I am constantly aware that my choice of caches is so often done by 'time it takes to get to the cache' rather than taking the time to review each cache description and qualify my choice.
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One of my clients is Her Majesties official [and only] cameraman. He is currentely working with her on the Queens speech. Do you think I should ask him to have a word ?!!
Perhaps a request from 'up top' may do the trick - it could even be incorporated in her Christmas Day speech !
Working with him tommorow so any ideas need to be forthcoming asap !
P.S there are other parks in London with caches in them
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Car has now changed since topic opened !!!
Now an even more environmentally friendly Nissan Micra !!!
Dunno why, but most of the cachers around here drive similar -certainly no reason for gas guzzeling 4x4 off roaders on urban roads.
I would like to think the same could be the case in other parts of the World - cannot see the point of these agricultural vehicles unless of course you have a justifyable need to go off road.
Happy thanks giving Guys !!
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Should I be dragged outside and shot ?Yes, but that's because you are centering your text and blocking it out with question marks and smileys. Just post and skip the special effects.
If I wanted a lecture on how to write a blog or perhaps how to 'flower it up' a bit I will let you know eh !
May be that's just the way we do things in the U.K that makes our country a Great Britain !!!!!
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Have I missed something ?
And I don't understand Rutsons comment either.
Should I be dragged outside and shot ?
Is it just me ?
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Oh no don't sling it! He's gone to the trouble of having a nice little signature item made. It sounds lovely, I'll have it if you don't want it!
It's yours !
e mail me your address and I will post it to you !
All the best
Andy
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Good news
From JWIDs geo page
JWID Geocoins
We have been bitten by the Geocoin bug. If you have found one of our Personal Geocoins (either Silver, LE Bronze or LE Gold) or our newest Silver or Copper "I" Found It Geocoins, you may keep it as a gift from us for your collection, or feel free to release it or trade it to somebody else.
JWID is his caching name and has 94 Trackable Coins out there all
different.
Hope that helps
It does help, thanks. Although this coin IS NOT trackable.
I really can't see the point though as it just complicates things.
It should have been turned into a loggable Geocoin through Geocaching .com.
I'm tempted to just sling it !!
P.s. His profile page
http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default....0e-4dbaa44c7120
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O.K , in this cache [Roamin Bath #2]
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...ab-e8afd1e2edba
I found a micro coin that subsequently I found was not listed on the system [or on the cache notes obviously]
The coin has the number 066 and on one side is a picture of a toddler carrying a huge green bag. The otherside it sais 'I Found It-1of JWID's personal coin'
Any ideas ?
Cannot log it and not sure what to do with it.
Now back home in Surrey
Great caches - thanks to you all in Bath for enableing me to have a great couple of days !!!
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I take your point - Would it have read better if I'd rearranged those first few words to read "I think this is one cache probably as close to a correctly graded 5/5 as we have in the UK... "?
I've done a few of the harder graded caches and chose that UnderWorld Bonus cache as an example because of the effort required beforehand in collecting the necessary letters from the various previous UW caches, the solving of the anagram from those letters, the battle with a Vigenere code puzzle, followed by another final crawl into more darkness for an ammo can that was well hidden within. Mind you... a toothpick was not required... so maybe a 4* would have been enough?
MrsB
Well thought out reply to my very rude contribution - sorry a long day and all that .
Yes grading at this level is very subjective.
What we really require is a better definition of how to grade/ classify 'Difficulty'
'Terrain' is self explanatory but difficulty could be divided into a number of different classifications in their own right.
i.e
Mental difficulty - codes/calculations/general or specific knowledge required ...
Subjective difficulty [hazards such as insects,falling rocks, radio active / smelly substances
Really long walks [not specifically of a steep terrain]
See what I mean !!!
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Many of yours are multis, and can probably justify the 5* difficulty as well, but I wonder your thoughts Andy on an easy to find box on a cliff? Is it 5*Diff?
I get your drift Dave- In this case it probably should not be a 5*diff grade.
That said if there are 'other' difficulties involved in gaining access to this luminous 'grab me ' box on a cliff such as stone fall, gas [maybe an underground cliff]
other pollution, insects etc then would this not be considered as 'difficulty ' criteria ?
This is a different kettle of fish grading at this level which I attempted to address on one of my caches [The Beast 666] where in terms of difficulty it is given a seperate classification along the lines used in rock climbing. Given the high degree of danger [regular falling stones] and the high risk of morbidly injuring ones self this cache is somewhat more serious than many other 5/5 caches.
I am considering re grading some of my caches but don't wish upset people who have done them if they go down a notch !!
Talk to you at the First Midweek Surrey event /bash eh ?
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I think this one is probably as close to a correctly graded 5/5 as we have in UK. Unfortunately it's not do-able at the moment because some of the parts are archived or temp disabled, but news on the caching grapevine says that the owner intends to re-work the whole series and replace the unavailable parts soon.
MrsB
How do you know ?
Have you tried many of them, around the country ?
Correctly graded unfortunately means that if you require a toothpick to extract the cache box then this is a grade 5 as 'Specialist Equipment' is required !!!!
I confess that I have a number of 5/5 caches and you will require rather more than a toothpick to extract them as Purple Pineapple can vouch for !!
I am glad that my caches are not correctly graded in this context !!
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As someone who has placed the odd extreme or two, please consider the following :
The Groundspeak disclaimer, and cache description should make abundantly clear to all who attempt caches [irrespective of gradings] that there is a percieved risk in caching.
There is also a risk [sometimes considerable] in crossing a road where there is no warning of risk.
Do you cross the road or are you still waiting for a Zebra crossing to be built ?
If someone decides to attempt a grade 5 terrain cache then they should accept that the difficulty /risk is higher than a grade 1 terrain cache.
Further, if the cache attributes further indicate a risk / is a member only cache / has specific mention in the notes of any potential dangers then the geocacher attempting the challenging cache should be in no doubt.
As far as insurance is concerned - many insurance companies refer to the use of specialist equipment [look at the small print]
obviously if you are doing a cache that requires the use of a rope then this is specialist equipment and if you kill yourself then your life insurance payout to your loved ones is down to you and whether or not you have declared your activity.
This is the cachers descision not the cache owners !!!
I go mountaineering abroad annually but am not insured and this is at my own risk [i pay for rescue / loss of life cover if I injure / kill myself]
In the UK rescue and NHS treatment is free [at the moment] so the the risk of financial loss is restricted.
It is your responsibility -Please read the cache notes etc if you are at all in doubt and cache within your abilities.
If you want to join the Nanny State then this website may assist : http://www.labour.org.uk/
Sorry, as Mark and Lynne have suggested, The BMC [british Mountaineering Council] Have a very good scheme which will cover you for extreme activities [ but look at the policy for the detail]
Cost : not much in the UK [£30 p.a approx ?]
Remember : You have to take responsibility for your own actions - this includes Geocaching activities.
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As someone who has placed the odd extreme or two, please consider the following :
The Groundspeak disclaimer, and cache description should make abundantly clear to all who attempt caches [irrespective of gradings] that there is a percieved risk in caching.
There is also a risk [sometimes considerable] in crossing a road where there is no warning of risk.
Do you cross the road or are you still waiting for a Zebra crossing to be built ?
If someone decides to attempt a grade 5 terrain cache then they should accept that the difficulty /risk is higher than a grade 1 terrain cache.
Further, if the cache attributes further indicate a risk / is a member only cache / has specific mention in the notes of any potential dangers then the geocacher attempting the challenging cache should be in no doubt.
As far as insurance is concerned - many insurance companies refer to the use of specialist equipment [look at the small print]
obviously if you are doing a cache that requires the use of a rope then this is specialist equipment and if you kill yourself then your life insurance payout to your loved ones is down to you and whether or not you have declared your activity.
This is the cachers descision not the cache owners !!!
I go mountaineering abroad annually but am not insured and this is at my own risk [i pay for rescue / loss of life cover if I injure / kill myself]
In the UK rescue and NHS treatment is free [at the moment] so the the risk of financial loss is restricted.
It is your responsibility -Please read the cache notes etc if you are at all in doubt and cache within your abilities.
If you want to join the Nanny State then this website may assist : http://www.labour.org.uk/
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I am very new to this sport so I am sorry if I am teaching people to suck eggs.
I just thought everyone should be aware that there are a large amount of Adders on the hills this Summer
especially with the recent heat wave we are experiencing.
I felt it was important those that enjoy this sport as a family outing and those that take their dogs with them should take extra care.
I found 3 Adders soaking up the sun on the footpath today on the South Downs.
Be careful when searching for caches in trees and grassy areas.
Lots of water Sun cream and hats
etrexmel
What a great idea for an extreme cache
Will look into this [well with some strong gloves on anyway !]
Andy
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Here is an Extreme caches bookmark - most of the caches on this list are in southern England.
Only because I put most of them Up !!! --
but no seriously, they are for extreme caches all over the U.K - but there are certainly loads [40% within a hours drive of the South coast
Goog luck !
some of us are still waiting for some more to appear Mr Nutter Sir! And you may get some to find yourself soon!
Dave
Now that does sound like a challenge I shall eagerly await !!!
Andy
Not receiving all New Cache Notifications
in United Kingdom and Ireland
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This is one of the reasons that I didn't renew my premium membership. This to me was the only benefit as I tried to FTF local caches against an incredibly strong local FTF contingent [East Surrey]
Groundspeak seemed to be uninterested in assisting.