Goldenwattle

What sort of multicaches are you used to? Here most seem to be get information from a sign or count something and put that into a formular to get the next WP. A few are disks with the next WP printed on it, but they are not common. Here is one of my multicaches and its simple formulars. GC7AGE1 Not all multicaches have such simple formulars though. Here is one from another CO's multicache: A checker for the final for multicaches would be good. People can make mistakes with their maths.

I usually print out multies before attempting them. A reason, if I didn't do a print out before leaving home and bring it with me, I rarely do multies while travelling. Except for the very simplest ones, too tricky while travelling, especially on a tiny GPS screen.

Yes, often. Have you never had ambiguous question?

That depends where in the world you live and travel too. However a checker on multicaches would be appreciated by many people. Where mobile coverage is missing, or iffy, a checksum could still be given, although this is not always a good guide to correct coordinates. Different (wrong) numbers can still add up correctly. I have a vague memory of this happening to me once. Most urban areas are covered here, but the countryside not always. I live in Canberra.

Same here.

After half a dozen DNFs previously on a 1.5D cache that has had very few or no DNFs before, you can be pretty sure it's missing. I have rarely been wrong when I have made a NM suspecting it to be missing. Other times the NM is for maintenance.

You are presuming that the email works. The last three I sent didn't work and no reply. Didn't like my return email address it seems, or my email service didn't like the emails being sent but I got no reply to say that. Emails I sent confirmed correct by the CO through messaging. Blow those emails. In the future I'm messaging.

Agree with the first two. The third one though depends on how many DNFs before you and the cache rating. If you are the first DNF, that's all that should be made, unless it's obvious the cache is missing, such as a landslide at GZ. Even a tree or other structure missing doesn't necessarily mean the cache is missing. Examples; I came to a chopped down tree, but the tree loppers had found the cache and left it by the tree stump. Another, a footbridge had been removed (the cache had been hidden in the structure underneath), but the workmen had found the cache and it was sitting unharmed under a nearby tree. I did message the CO about the bridge cache. But in neither of those cases was the cache missing. If there had already been several DNFs, and depending on the cache difficulty rating, I would make the DNF and then a NM. Often when I have done this I have been annoyed that others before me hadn't done this already, but many are scared to even do a DNF, until someone else has, so this is not surprising. A NA needs to be held off for at least a month after the DNFs and the NM have continued to be ignored by the CO, and no word from them.

I have a separate email without my name on it, just Goldenwattle. It has worked at least once for a return email, but unfortunately for the last three I emailed, the emails failed. Luckily the COs accepted my message with an explanation that the email didn't work for me. Now knowing I can also message, that's what I will do in the future instead.

That's your choice who you email.

Not only does it tell that something might be wrong, the number of DNFs (if nothing is wrong) assists with setting a correct rating for the cache.

That got me counting. I have logged 66 DNFs so far this year. Some of them I have then found on return visits; a couple I even gave favourites to. I have logged 32 NMs, of which 7 have been archived, 4 are disabled, 8 replaced by CO, 2 replaced by other people (one after the CO told me off for making a NM), one I was the last logger, and no action yet, one I made a NM after a string of DNFs (2D) but the cache has since been found. Problem still not fixed 5 but continues to get logged. Of the last five, one has had 3 more NMs and one...wait for it has had in total 79 NMs, but because people still log it, nothing has been done about this. I have made 8 NA, of which 4 have been archived, 3 repaired by CO, one by someone else. (I may have miscounted a tad here, but the basis is okay)

Same

Similar to me. I would rarely make a NM when I was the first DNF, unless it's very obvious the cache is missing. The area has had a bull dozer through and the place scrapped clean, for instance; that would get a NM for the first DNF, but this is an exception. It does change the situation though. Although I am more likely it appears to make a NM and later a NA it seems than most people, this is usually only in places with lots of caches. In places with few caches, or if this might be the only cache for a huge distance, I am very hesitant to log a NM. Also for old caches, such as 2000 published caches. For remote, rare caches, if I can fix the cache I will. Replace a crumbing cache, or add a new log. In remote places, I find maintenance is what is needed far more than the cache is missing. Rarely missing. Whereas with an urban cache I just do a NM and won't fix the cache without CO approval. Urban caches are also much more likely to be missing than remote caches, as remote caches, baring a landslide or something, almost never go missing. They just deteriorate. If I can fix this I will; otherwise I will leave a note asking if the next person can please bring a new cache or log. For rare, remote caches I don't make a NM except for exceptional reasons. A NM is to let the CO know there is a problem and they need to maintain their cache. Replace the log or something, not only for missing caches. Not all COs read the normal logs. Lots of comments like this, appear to come from people who live in countries where caches are not hundreds of kms apart and will likely never be replaced. Your comments are fine for NZ, but not for all parts of the world, where it might be a drive of several hundred kms between caches. And they will almost certainly NEVER be replaced. People travel through there, but very few people live there to place new caches. Also, as said, caches in remote places are far more likely just to need maintenance, rather than be missing. There isn't the large muggle population to steal the caches. I agree, a DNF means that for whatever reason you didn't find the cache, not that it is necessarily missing, although several DNFs on a low rated cache is strongly indicative of missing. Or the CO is one of those who rate most of their caches wrongly; often 1.5D/1.5T, and WON'T take feed back aboard and correct the rating. You have now made me consider that for rare, remote caches, maybe a note might be safer.

There is an Australian site that has been listing trigs for years and anyone here that I know of that logs trigs tends to log the trigs there. There are always exceptions, but I personally have zero interest in Waymarking. I log trigs on the Australian site. They don't list all survey marks, just trigs. They have recently added the NZ trigs.

As far as I know that's basically just American. I don't even know how it works. It it logging trigs and similar?

And why can't good containers remain listed? No reason they can't, because despite, your fanatical mission to ruin the game for others and archive good caches, if they are archived, they are still there. Leave them alone; it doesn't hurt you!

There's an expression: 'No one ever looks up.'

When I was in Europe this year I made Webcams a priority and found five. (I also have three found previously in Australia.) The heart of munich GCHNBF Bayern, Germany Fritzicam Donauradweg GCMCX5 Wien, Austria Wuerzburger webcam GCJJ20 Bayern, Germany Cologne's 14 Traffic Cams GCMX7C Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany London - Beatles Abbey Road GC6F12 London, United Kingdom I was on a river cruise when I found the German and Austrian ones. The Austrian Webcam was several kms (6?) from the centre of Wien and I didn't think I would get a chance to get to that one, but then the boat docked and I turned on my GPS to check what caches were nearby, to find the Webcam was only 300m away along the river bank. Joy! That made my day😁. The London one I took the underground to.

I have mixed feelings about Earthcaches. I like them because many bring you to fascinating places I might not have discovered otherwise. I dislike them because then many COs ruin the experience of finding something fascinating, by asking uninteresting questions. I need to find about 140 more Earthcaches for a challenge. Until this challenge I avoided Earthcaches, because of the questions, and didn't know what interesting places I was missing seeing. I would prefer a simple question to prove you were there, take a photograph, and then be left to explore and enjoy what you have been brought to.

That's how my caching friends and I mostly cache. Then we can move on. We usually just say the 'boring' "found it." Most times people are happy for one person to have found it, but occasionally someone will want to find it themselves. Maybe an American game?

I had to look that one up . New expression for me. But appropriate to geocaching .

Thank you. Done.

Happens all the time. One person grabs the log and signs for everyone. That's okay if the others are there. In fact one of those not signing for themselves might be the actual person who found the cache.

You can't get dry without dirt. The dirt on windy days will blow around. The whole of Australia doesn't have the same climate, as we also have rainforest and places that get snow too. We aren't unique in having dry places. I clicked on your name but you don't say in which country you live , and you don't allow others to click on your caches to see where you cache. So where is "around here"? (Edited: Okay I just realised you had a what3wordsconversion and you live in Canada.) 1. Near Broken Hill. 42C and windy. That's haze is dirt. So dry AND dirt. 2. Rainforest at one of the places I grew up in. I played in there.