Goldenwattle

That's my experience. It rarely happens.

So after say ten DNFs in a row from experienced geocachers of a 1.5D cache, where there has never been a DNF before, you don't think it's right to log a NM. How about after 20, 50, 100 DNFs, is it yet time to log a NM? Or because there is no clear evidence, such as the area has been bulldozed clear, it's never? I'm logging that NM, which someone should have done before me.

Geocoins don't last long. Collectors👿. (Hoarders by another term.)

That's thoughtful of you supplying that, but I don't supply a pencil sharpener or pencil. I expect people to bring their own pen, as I bring mine and don't expect one to be supplied for me. Therefore I would never have considered space for a pencil and sharpener when thinking about space for a TB. Without them more TBs would fit. I would call that a small. When I place a TB one of the things I check before choosing a cache for the TB, if how often it is visited. You tell us your caches are not visited very often, so therefore disappointedly I would not be leaving a TB in one of your pristine caches. I have one cache (my library cache) with a pen, but I didn't supply it. Another cacher visited it and said it needs a pen and left one. The log book, working wall clock and furniture for the TBs I considered enough. However, if now someone says they forgot a pen, it's delete, which is the best reason I would think for supplying a pen or pencil. To catch those mistruths out.

I preferred the old one for small, which was something like, 'Big enough to hold TBs and small trinkets.' If every small could do that, then people with TBs to drop, would not have such a problem.

I get you completely there. I went on a river cruise too from Budapest to Amsterdam. I had TBs too to drop off. Micros, micros, micros. I got so desperate to drop off the TBs when I finally actually found a couple of caches big enough (a small & a regular) I left a trackable in each, although they did not meet my normal rules for a safe cache to leave TBs in. I regretted it later for me being careless with the TBs, but that's what micros, micros and more micros had done to me; made me desperate. One TB was picked up, but the other has gone missing, and all because of the lack of choice of small and larger caches, and my frustration and desperation. Another experience. I picked up a TB in London that wanted to go to a suburb in Sydney. I could help with that, as the suburb was not far from where my brother lives. When I arrived home I took a drive to Sydney to visit my brother and what I thought would be a simple TB drop off. Not so simple. Cache after cache marked 'small' were those #@&% mintie tins, which won't fit most TBs, and leak and turn the log in a mouldy mess. Rust too. They make 'charming' caches. Beloved by beginners especially, who copy other much more experienced cachers, who must have been in the game for ages, like maybe a couple months. Can't have been much longer than that, or the mintie tin would have rusted. Finally I found a proper small sized cache; in good condition too. Problem was it wasn't in the safest place and likely to be muggled. I dropped the TB into the cache (against my better judgment). All those micros, many marked as incorrectly as smalls, drive one to take risks!

If a nano rating was introduced, that would solve some size issues. It would help eliminate the, 'Oh, so that nano is a micro, so therefore the 35 film canister or minty tin must be a small.'

A more active lifestyle than many is likely why you are still more active than many your age. That and if you controlled your weight.

I went and checked out of interest. I wasn't interested in the souvenirs and didn't try to get them, but some appeared anyway. Many I didn't get, but the strangest one was that I got the May Easy and Hard ones, but no Medium. I don't know how this worked, because I wasn't trying for them, but if I had earned a 'Hard' one, I would have thought I would also have earned the 'Medium' one. Just a comment, as I don't really care I didn't get the Medium one, or any of them.

Thanks. I don't use a phone to cache. And prefer the old page to log, as it's better. There it's NM and NA. Never seen those.

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That's my dyslexia. I didn't read it was different. Giving up, but thankyou for helping.

Thank you. However, I don't see that.

On what page, under which heading?

Thanks, but I have been clicking on filter. I likely have the wrong page.

I brought that up and I don't get any dates, and can't find how to add that row.

I once came to a walking bridge where the old wooden bridge had been removed and a new metal replacement was being constructed. A cache had been hidden under the old wooden bridge and as I had found it I knew where it had been hidden. I was going to contact the CO and say their cache was gone, when I spotted it under a nearby tree. The workers had found it as they removed the old bridge and placed it safely under the tree. So, even with construction, the cache might sometimes be rescued.

Here in Canberra, I once was taking record stage photographs of a multistorey building for the customers, being build by a well known (here) building company that builds high rise apartment buildings, etc. (This building was rather different; more 'out there' in design.) I had to go through an induction to be allowed on without an escort, given instruction what to do and not do, such as don't walk backwards (good instruction for a photograph 😁), or I might fall down a hole, where the first aid is, etc. After the induction I could put on my yellow vest and hard hat and just make a phone call to let them know I was going on site. Certain areas I was not allowed (along with many workers), but they were signed so, such as on the roof, where only roofers were allowed. I did go up and stand on the top of the temporary stairs though to take pictures. I had a new house built, and I was only allowed on site when the builders were there. Yes, without permission and being escorted or inducted, it's not allowed to just wander onto a building site.

Hopefully they won't after awhile change that back to a found, because it is my understanding that no new email to you will be generated. Which it should do, if a note or DNF is changed to a find. The other way doesn't matter. Same reason I prefer that. I can see for instance if this person regularly doesn't sign logs, or is a 'difficult' person to deal with.

I don't read anything "aggressive"; only precise instructions.

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You have been working. Sounds exciting.

Many people log finds even if they can't sign the log. Missing, too soggy, etc. They WON'T log the second NM, so the person who made the first NM has to do the second one. Then you get the case of a missing cache and along come someone and logs a find and resets the cache to findable. The TFTC type log, with no information. Gees if I found a cache following a line of DNFs I would write much more than TFTC. I find those logs suspect. So a second NM can be warranted. Also, I have done that on 'special' caches; a second NM rather than a NA.

After a string of DNFs, or I find the cache in bad condition, I post a NM, and will continue to do so. If after a month (at least) there is no action from the CO, I will look at the cache and decide whether another NM or a NA is needed. I have never had a complaint from my local reviewer for doing this, and often the reviewer ends up making a log. However, I put a NA on a cache for elsewhere and the reviewer told me off for doing this. People had been logging a sodden, unusable log. Me: "Two NM ignored; the earliest made in..... (4 months earlier), and the problem was referred to in logs pre those. Log is unusable. CO still has not fixed the problem." Reviewer "----- - the appropriate log is Needs Maintenance." (I wondered how many NM were needed first...already had two.) However the CO did replace the log soon after. I can imagine though if a less experienced geocacher had that response from a reviewer, they may be less or not willing at all to log needed NM & NA in the future. And some wonder why not enough NM/NA are done.

That's signing the log. I did that once too when I genuinely forgot a pen. I signed with charcoal. However, as charcoal can rub off I didn't want the CO to have to take my word for it I signed, so I also took a photograph of the charcoal signature in the log and added that to my log.