jwest420

Hey thanks for the responses guys, one more question, in most cases mapping software requires you to input 2 adresses then it gives you directions from these two. Alot of the caches are hidden next to roads or other areas that I would have no idea what the address would be, does any of this software allow you to just select two points on the map then calculate the driving directions? Thanks for the help guy's I am still away at school and am looking forward to getting home and starting my new cache hobby.

Is there any mapping software that I can get that will plot the driving directions that I need between waypoints/caches?

This is nothing important, just wanted to share my excitement! I finally got my first gps, it's a Garmin eTrex Vista, can't wait to try it out!

I don't know if anyone can help or not but here goes! The logon box were you type your name and password to logon to geocaching.com, I typed in my user name then typed in my password without hitting tab to switch to the password box. Now when I start to type my name it brings up a box below were I'm typing to let me just click on my name as a short cut so I don't have to type as much. The problem is now my name shows up with my password right behind it because of the mistake I made earlier, I really don't want to change my password because I use it for alot of other pages, is there a way to erase all the logon names in this pop up box because other people use this computer?

Hey I just want to apologize to all the people in this forum for going on with such a petty argument! This apology however does not include scout65. It all started with him giving such a jerky response only to follow it up with telling me I had a thick skull and then calling me a bonehead. I know words shouldn't bother someone but I was new and didn't care for the verbal assualt, I got over calling people names when I left grade school. Now in most of his replys he would take a shot at me and then try to be polite so he didn't look so stupid. Now Scout65 has threatened to grab my bug if it travels across any of the three states of Missouri, Indiana and Illinois. I know this is an idle threat because he lives in Williamsville, Illinois and that would be alot of ground for him to cover and I'm sure he doesn't have the gumption to do this. This threat shouldn't bother me but after all the other post it does. What Scout65 should have realized is that I'm a student in Salt Lake City and my parents live in Champaign, Illinois I come home every couple of months. The person that took me caching lives there and to show scout65 this the next time he's out he's going to get your virtual cache and send me the number of missions the plane has flown. Then I will send it to Scout65 so he knows he was there. I will be home soon to visit and will probably go with my friend to check out Cache on the Kickapoo. This is my last post no matter what scout65 comes up with, See Ya.

Hey I just want to apologize to all the people in this forum for going on with such a petty argument! This apology however does not include scout65. It all started with him giving such a jerky response only to follow it up with telling me I had a thick skull and then calling me a bonehead. I know words shouldn't bother someone but I was new and didn't care for the verbal assualt, I got over calling people names when I left grade school. Now in most of his replys he would take a shot at me and then try to be polite so he didn't look so stupid. Now Scout65 has threatened to grab my bug if it travels across any of the three states of Missouri, Indiana and Illinois. I know this is an idle threat because he lives in Williamsville, Illinois and that would be alot of ground for him to cover and I'm sure he doesn't have the gumption to do this. This threat shouldn't bother me but after all the other post it does. What Scout65 should have realized is that I'm a student in Salt Lake City and my parents live in Champaign, Illinois I come home every couple of months. The person that took me caching lives there and to show scout65 this the next time he's out he's going to get your virtual cache and send me the number of missions the plane has flown. Then I will send it to Scout65 so he knows he was there. I will be home soon to visit and will probably go with my friend to check out Cache on the Kickapoo. This is my last post no matter what scout65 comes up with, See Ya.

Scout65 your some piece of work! Like I said before I have just ask for opinions and I so happen to think yours is wrong. I am going to play the game the way the original rules on the travel bug page allow. Tell me scout65 if your bug bounces around Australia for awhile then gets brought back to the United States should you get credit for the miles since your bug only got there in the first place by you mailing it. If you hadn't mailed it it might not have ever got there and therefore could not accumulate the miles on the way back. He says that the bugs belong to individuals it is up to them on how they move. To me this leaves it up to you to make up your own rules which I think is ridiculas, it opens up the door for people to not play by the guidelines set. I still think your wrong, all you have to do is read the travel bug page to see this. I would appreciate it if you could refrain from the name calling. All this could have been avoided if you weren't so rude in your original post. I still don't get why you were so defensive, you say it's because of Skydivers *NO* answer but like I said before why couldn't you just give your nice opinion like the rest did here. Hope your not married or have kids because I'm sure your hard to live with! Please don't reply scout65 I don't know if I could sit through another moronic paragragh from you!

Scout65 your some piece of work! Like I said before I have just ask for opinions and I so happen to think yours is wrong. I am going to play the game the way the original rules on the travel bug page allow. Tell me scout65 if your bug bounces around Australia for awhile then gets brought back to the United States should you get credit for the miles since your bug only got there in the first place by you mailing it. If you hadn't mailed it it might not have ever got there and therefore could not accumulate the miles on the way back. He says that the bugs belong to individuals it is up to them on how they move. To me this leaves it up to you to make up your own rules which I think is ridiculas, it opens up the door for people to not play by the guidelines set. I still think your wrong, all you have to do is read the travel bug page to see this. I would appreciate it if you could refrain from the name calling. All this could have been avoided if you weren't so rude in your original post. I still don't get why you were so defensive, you say it's because of Skydivers *NO* answer but like I said before why couldn't you just give your nice opinion like the rest did here. Hope your not married or have kids because I'm sure your hard to live with! Please don't reply scout65 I don't know if I could sit through another moronic paragragh from you!

I'm sorry but in your first response to me you were very defensive I believe because you MAILED your bug. I am new here and I'm not telling anyone what is right or wrong to do with their bug. If I ask for your opinion on whether you thought something was right or wrong and you said *NO* I would take that as your opinion and not what has to be done, can you understand that? In Markwells poll the scenerio you are referring to got five votes for mailing and seventeen for not mailing, I don't see how this is in your favor. I have also looked around and seen alot of other post with people saying not to mail, but as I know and you don't this is their opinion! You were the first one to ask why I was concered about the opinions of the other people all I did was ask you why you were concered and you were concerned becuase you have picked apart their post. On the travel bug page I wasn't intending to add *NOT MAILED* I gave you to much credit I guess. This is what is say's *Simply put, a Travel Bug is a new form of hitchiker you can track on Geocaching.com. A hitchiker is basically an item that is carried from cache to cache (or person to person) and you can follow its progress online.* I thought you could figure out what it was saying, it's mode of travel is cache to cache not mailman to plane then back to a mailman again then to another cacher you don't know then placed somewhere you know nothing about. The not mailed line was me explaing how they were intended to travel. They were intended to travel by one person carrying from one cache to another and not mailed from here to there. Now if the pilot was a cacher and went out and found your bug then went to Australia and did some caching and placed it there then to *ME* then that would be fine because it traveled cache to cache! Everything here is my opinion I'm just going by the original guidelines set on the travel bug page. Everything else about mailing amoung other things have been added by individuals trying to figure out what is exceptible.

I'm sorry but in your first response to me you were very defensive I believe because you MAILED your bug. I am new here and I'm not telling anyone what is right or wrong to do with their bug. If I ask for your opinion on whether you thought something was right or wrong and you said *NO* I would take that as your opinion and not what has to be done, can you understand that? In Markwells poll the scenerio you are referring to got five votes for mailing and seventeen for not mailing, I don't see how this is in your favor. I have also looked around and seen alot of other post with people saying not to mail, but as I know and you don't this is their opinion! You were the first one to ask why I was concered about the opinions of the other people all I did was ask you why you were concered and you were concerned becuase you have picked apart their post. On the travel bug page I wasn't intending to add *NOT MAILED* I gave you to much credit I guess. This is what is say's *Simply put, a Travel Bug is a new form of hitchiker you can track on Geocaching.com. A hitchiker is basically an item that is carried from cache to cache (or person to person) and you can follow its progress online.* I thought you could figure out what it was saying, it's mode of travel is cache to cache not mailman to plane then back to a mailman again then to another cacher you don't know then placed somewhere you know nothing about. The not mailed line was me explaing how they were intended to travel. They were intended to travel by one person carrying from one cache to another and not mailed from here to there. Now if the pilot was a cacher and went out and found your bug then went to Australia and did some caching and placed it there then to *ME* then that would be fine because it traveled cache to cache! Everything here is my opinion I'm just going by the original guidelines set on the travel bug page. Everything else about mailing amoung other things have been added by individuals trying to figure out what is exceptible.

Scout65 I guess I'm just not getting through to you, in my first question I was asking for the opinions of the people in this forum not for a difinitive answer!!! What I got out of skydivers in a word *no* answer to me was his opinion. He didn't say that he was anyone in authority, he just gave his short opinion and thats all I ask for! He also supplied a link to a poll that was taken and the majority of the people chose the not by mail answer which does not favor in your way. I believe the sharpness of your reply for whatever reason was unjust because just like the statement you made to me in an earlier response *Why are you even concerned with how the *majority* of the cachers feel about you mailing YOUR bug?* Now I'll ask you, Why are you even concerned about the answers of any of the individuals here in this forum? No one here is stopping me from following through with an idea like you suggest. For the last time all I ask for are opinions, you seem to be the one telling me it's ok to mail bugs and not just giving me your opinion. So if you can tell me it's ok why can't someone else tell me it's not ok, from what I can tell your no one of authority either. I think there needs to be rules otherwise how do we know were the bounderies are to be set. I have ask you many questions and all you seem to do is answer the ones you can twist to fit your scenario. I showed you the specific rules for travel bugs on the travel bug page the first one being that bugs travel from cache to cache not mailed. The second one says it's up to the person on what goal it gets, it's not up to the person on how it travels! These are very clear but I'm sure since you make your own rules you will twist these also. Anyone can mail a bug to another country, I just don't see any accomplishment in that unless you just want to brag to your fellow cachers that you have a bug there. You have never been to Australia so I don't see how you can have much of a connection with it. You have another bug Orbit and you say part of his goal is the journey, why isn't part of the other bugs goal the journey? The only reason I can come up with is your one of those people who like to take the easy route, you just couldn't wait for it to get there so you mailed it I'm impressed that must have taken alot out of you! You probably thought it would never get there otherwise. I wouldn't brag to much to my cache friends because mailing it wasn't hard. I thank skydiver and mdmax371 for their comments and everyone else here who has given their opinion. [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 16, 2002 at 06:42 PM.]

Scout65 I guess I'm just not getting through to you, in my first question I was asking for the opinions of the people in this forum not for a difinitive answer!!! What I got out of skydivers in a word *no* answer to me was his opinion. He didn't say that he was anyone in authority, he just gave his short opinion and thats all I ask for! He also supplied a link to a poll that was taken and the majority of the people chose the not by mail answer which does not favor in your way. I believe the sharpness of your reply for whatever reason was unjust because just like the statement you made to me in an earlier response *Why are you even concerned with how the *majority* of the cachers feel about you mailing YOUR bug?* Now I'll ask you, Why are you even concerned about the answers of any of the individuals here in this forum? No one here is stopping me from following through with an idea like you suggest. For the last time all I ask for are opinions, you seem to be the one telling me it's ok to mail bugs and not just giving me your opinion. So if you can tell me it's ok why can't someone else tell me it's not ok, from what I can tell your no one of authority either. I think there needs to be rules otherwise how do we know were the bounderies are to be set. I have ask you many questions and all you seem to do is answer the ones you can twist to fit your scenario. I showed you the specific rules for travel bugs on the travel bug page the first one being that bugs travel from cache to cache not mailed. The second one says it's up to the person on what goal it gets, it's not up to the person on how it travels! These are very clear but I'm sure since you make your own rules you will twist these also. Anyone can mail a bug to another country, I just don't see any accomplishment in that unless you just want to brag to your fellow cachers that you have a bug there. You have never been to Australia so I don't see how you can have much of a connection with it. You have another bug Orbit and you say part of his goal is the journey, why isn't part of the other bugs goal the journey? The only reason I can come up with is your one of those people who like to take the easy route, you just couldn't wait for it to get there so you mailed it I'm impressed that must have taken alot out of you! You probably thought it would never get there otherwise. I wouldn't brag to much to my cache friends because mailing it wasn't hard. I thank skydiver and mdmax371 for their comments and everyone else here who has given their opinion. [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 16, 2002 at 06:42 PM.]

I'm sorry Scout65 but in my opinion you were being rude with the way you replied to a newbie's question. I'm not sure were your getting that someone has told me or you that you don't have the right to mail a bug because all I've seen on here so far are the opinions people have given this forum. You want your bug to travel around Australia, to me part of the journey would be actually getting to Australia, it just seems to easy to mail it. I agree with mdmax371 in the fact that you lose out on the fun of seeing the travels of the bug. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do with your bug nor has anyone here *as you say* told me how I had to use my bug, all I've read are opinions! I think that when travel bugs were made they were intended to use by traveling from cache to cache to track their progress, mailing them to me just takes away from the purpose of the bug and makes it to easy. I think by saying it's ok to mail it only opens the door for the people who are concered about the mileage thing to just pick up their bug and mail it to someone else far off to rack up the miles. You say this would be cheating, why is it cheating this is not a compitition just an individual game, you made the rules for your bug so why can't people make their own rules for their bug? Since you say it's up to each individual to do with their bug what ever they want who are you to say this would be wrong! There are really no clear cut rules if it's left up to the person to use the bug as they wish, so I would prefer to use my bug in the *traditional since* just seems like the right thing to do in my humble opinion. This was taken from the travel bug page that tells me how they were intended to use: Q. What is a Travel Bug? A. Simply put, a Travel Bug is a new form of hitchiker you can track on Geocaching.com. A hitchiker is basically an item that is carried from cache to cache (or person to person) and you can follow its progress online. So that is were I'm getting how to play the game and not from someone telling me how to use it. It says the bugs are carried from cache to cache by one person dropping it off and then another person picking it up if this is how you did it then that would be fine. By the guidelines it seems you might have cheated but since you made your owns rules for you in your mind you didn't cheat. If you read the whole travel bug page you will see it also says that travel bugs are slow moving pony express. Scout65 if you could show me were it says that mailing the bugs are ok then that would be fine with me. You can make your own rules but I think I will follow the guidelines instead of taking the shortcuts, your way to me just seems like cheating since I have read the bug page. Mdmax371 has a bug and it's goal is to go to Ground Zero, it's goal isn't make it to New York so would it be ok if he mailed it to a person their to place it in a cache near Ground Zero. That just seems to easy, it's no different then you mailing your bug to Australia it's just to easy! Have fun, just doesn't seem right to me!! [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 15, 2002 at 01:37 PM.]

I'm sorry Scout65 but in my opinion you were being rude with the way you replied to a newbie's question. I'm not sure were your getting that someone has told me or you that you don't have the right to mail a bug because all I've seen on here so far are the opinions people have given this forum. You want your bug to travel around Australia, to me part of the journey would be actually getting to Australia, it just seems to easy to mail it. I agree with mdmax371 in the fact that you lose out on the fun of seeing the travels of the bug. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do with your bug nor has anyone here *as you say* told me how I had to use my bug, all I've read are opinions! I think that when travel bugs were made they were intended to use by traveling from cache to cache to track their progress, mailing them to me just takes away from the purpose of the bug and makes it to easy. I think by saying it's ok to mail it only opens the door for the people who are concered about the mileage thing to just pick up their bug and mail it to someone else far off to rack up the miles. You say this would be cheating, why is it cheating this is not a compitition just an individual game, you made the rules for your bug so why can't people make their own rules for their bug? Since you say it's up to each individual to do with their bug what ever they want who are you to say this would be wrong! There are really no clear cut rules if it's left up to the person to use the bug as they wish, so I would prefer to use my bug in the *traditional since* just seems like the right thing to do in my humble opinion. This was taken from the travel bug page that tells me how they were intended to use: Q. What is a Travel Bug? A. Simply put, a Travel Bug is a new form of hitchiker you can track on Geocaching.com. A hitchiker is basically an item that is carried from cache to cache (or person to person) and you can follow its progress online. So that is were I'm getting how to play the game and not from someone telling me how to use it. It says the bugs are carried from cache to cache by one person dropping it off and then another person picking it up if this is how you did it then that would be fine. By the guidelines it seems you might have cheated but since you made your owns rules for you in your mind you didn't cheat. If you read the whole travel bug page you will see it also says that travel bugs are slow moving pony express. Scout65 if you could show me were it says that mailing the bugs are ok then that would be fine with me. You can make your own rules but I think I will follow the guidelines instead of taking the shortcuts, your way to me just seems like cheating since I have read the bug page. Mdmax371 has a bug and it's goal is to go to Ground Zero, it's goal isn't make it to New York so would it be ok if he mailed it to a person their to place it in a cache near Ground Zero. That just seems to easy, it's no different then you mailing your bug to Australia it's just to easy! Have fun, just doesn't seem right to me!! [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 15, 2002 at 01:37 PM.]

Scout65 why are you so defensive, this was my first post and I'm new to this game. Scout65 why are YOU so concerned that I'm asking for opinions? I have been caching with a friend of mine because I don't even own a gps yet, he has been kind enough to let me go with him when he caches, and he gave me my first travel bug to peak my interest. I thought it was an interesting concept but wasn't sure how to go about getting it to Africa. I thought the cache to cache thing would take a long time but it seems that is the way to go. I don't see the fun in just mailing it there because that defeats the purpose of completing it's goal to get to Africa and traveling around there, just seems like a big short cut. But for you to get so defensive and not just give your opinion you must feel like you cheated in some way. You mention miles traveled, I am not concered with the miles my bug travels just were he goes and how he gets there, I mean really anyone can mail a bug whats the accomplishment in that. This is just a game , you act like it's a compitition with the mile thing. I would suggest you get over that because your way behind. If mailing your bug to Australia makes you feel good and like you did something then so be it, it's your bug. But as for me I will let my bug get there the traditional way because the satisfaction will be much greater than having the post man deliver it. Where's the fun in that! You can tell all your cache buddies that you have a travel bug in Australia and they can ask you how long it took to get it there and you can say a couple of days I mailed it! [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 15, 2002 at 12:30 AM.]

Scout65 why are you so defensive, this was my first post and I'm new to this game. Scout65 why are YOU so concerned that I'm asking for opinions? I have been caching with a friend of mine because I don't even own a gps yet, he has been kind enough to let me go with him when he caches, and he gave me my first travel bug to peak my interest. I thought it was an interesting concept but wasn't sure how to go about getting it to Africa. I thought the cache to cache thing would take a long time but it seems that is the way to go. I don't see the fun in just mailing it there because that defeats the purpose of completing it's goal to get to Africa and traveling around there, just seems like a big short cut. But for you to get so defensive and not just give your opinion you must feel like you cheated in some way. You mention miles traveled, I am not concered with the miles my bug travels just were he goes and how he gets there, I mean really anyone can mail a bug whats the accomplishment in that. This is just a game , you act like it's a compitition with the mile thing. I would suggest you get over that because your way behind. If mailing your bug to Australia makes you feel good and like you did something then so be it, it's your bug. But as for me I will let my bug get there the traditional way because the satisfaction will be much greater than having the post man deliver it. Where's the fun in that! You can tell all your cache buddies that you have a travel bug in Australia and they can ask you how long it took to get it there and you can say a couple of days I mailed it! [This message was edited by jwest420 on June 15, 2002 at 12:30 AM.]

I am brand new to this game and I'm not sure what is considered taboo. I have a travel bug that I would like to visit Africa, would it be cheating if I mailed the travel bug to a cacher there and let them place it? I have done some research and it seems the majority feel travel bugs should travel the traditional way from cache to cache then maybe picked up by someone traveling there. I myself think it should travel the normal way but was curious what the rules were?

I am brand new to this game and I'm not sure what is considered taboo. I have a travel bug that I would like to visit Africa, would it be cheating if I mailed the travel bug to a cacher there and let them place it? I have done some research and it seems the majority feel travel bugs should travel the traditional way from cache to cache then maybe picked up by someone traveling there. I myself think it should travel the normal way but was curious what the rules were?