Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats
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Originally posted by dboggny:so no sex toys for the us then, ha?
SR and dboggny. WHAT?!?!
Actually, as far as I'm concerned...if there were a way to "Rate" Caches, I'd be fine with whatever (legal) stuff people wanted to populate their caches with.
The wench went to a cache with a condom in it, with the kids, opportunity to discuss with the kids. Not imminently offensive, purchasable by a teen at Wally's World.
The problems that would be associated with "Rated" Caches right now would probably outstrip the resources , with less benefit than other potential improvements though, so for now...
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
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Ignoring the unregistered lurkers, if there are 15,000 registered users, and logging in takes an additional 2.5 seconds each time they log on, and each user visits the site an average of twice a day, how many man hours a month will be wasted for no clear benefit?625 Hours/Month
Oh, wait a minute, that assumes that nobody logs in now, well I've already stated that I always do, so you can subtract 2.5 minutes from that total,
Oops again...
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Originally posted by ACME geocachers:I almost always login
I guess that means that we need to subtract say 2 minutes for you, too.
Boy, now that I think of it, lots of the posts have stated the same thing...boy, guess it's not really 625 hours after all!
Compared to the average time someone who is careful when hiding a cache invests, well in our case we would estimate about 3 hours per cache.
Now, we may be off the deep end, but we spend time collecting the stuff, finding the location, printing the labels, trying to make it a bit more entertaining, so if the average is only an hour, well that's equivilant to 1440 inconvenient logins/hide, so I could log in 1440 times and just find, and give up hiding.
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Someone placed six caches, perhaps badly because of their inexperience. Two of the caches were subsequently stolenBy this I imagine you are referring to the individual who started this thread, ok, here's a voice from someone with 30 hides...(3rd highest on the thread)
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Origially posted by joedohn:Since making most of my caches MOC's I've had no problems with plundering. Before then, 4 of my first 18 caches were ransacked or taken (and I believe 3 by someone looking specifically for caches to steal).
One of the more convincing posts from earlier in the thread, joedohn was talking about MOC's effect on plundering. What we're talking about here is applying a MOC ability to the general population, so that people who hide caches can feel just a little more secure, without having to exclude the cache from folks that don't pay for the right to search, as they now have to in order to find joedohn's new mocaches. Can't say I'd blame him, after all, at 30 Hidden caches, he's provided a lot of fun for all. Oh yeah what about...
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I'd rather hear what people who have placed 70 or 80 caches think about the matter.Well of those interested in posting here...Nobody had 70 or 80 hides, although 6 did have 0, of which 5 were in opposition to the idea, hmmm,
Since we can't find someone on this thread with the level of knowledge on the subject that you deem necessary to comment, maybe we'll have to follow some other track.
The average number of hides by those voicing support through the posts on this thread...11.1
The average number of hides by those voicing opposition through the posts on this thread...6.8
Average Ratio of finds:hides by those voicing support through posts on this thread...4.7:1
Average Ratio of finds:hides by those voicing opposition through posts on this thread...19.6:1
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maybe Jeremy should include these questions of earth shattering importance in a survey mailed with the new cache list every weekGreat idea, all he'd need is the money to pay for such a program...maybe we could get everyone to pay the dime a day, then he'd be able to do lots of new things.
Until then, we just have to put up with polls, after all, those who care to vote, can voice an opinion at any time.
Last point, if the reason for not logging in at a public computer is security, perhaps someone can look into the real risks involved there, and whether the button "Logging in from Public Computer" which is on my webmail account does anything, and could be implemented on the site, making people feel as safe as they do when they check webmail at a public computer.
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
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Originally posted by ACME geocachers:Your First Point
I almost always login, but when I use a public computer I don't.
Your Second Point
That works out to about _.2%_ of the registered users.
Your Third Point
Why make a fundamental change when no _actual need_ has been demonstrated? There has not been even _one_ example offered of a cache plundered by an unregistered person.
Point 1...I, too, would like to know why you're afraid of logging in on a public computer? If it's your because some person may be able to log in to your account by going to all the work required to snag your geocaching login and username, so, as Cashew Nut so aptly put...they can log a few more finds...imagine how Cashew Nut must feel when he not only finds but HIDES caches for you to find, only to have someone plunder them.
Now I can see (thanks again Cashew Nut) why you don't understand...you'd have to actually put out some of your own precious time to hide a cache, then you may have an idea of what you are giving up only to have it trashed. Many of us who hide caches, spend a great deal of time preparing them. If logging in to see location information prevents one cache from being plundered, it was worth all that inconvenience, especially when it's to those who take, don't give back, heck can't even scrape together the measely ten cents a day to support the site?? I digress, more points to ponder...
Point 2...
How many citizens have to vote to make an election democratic??? Should George Bush REALLY be President.
If 28 unique visitors posted notes on this subject, 63 voted and 42 were in favor of this option being provided to THOSE THAT CARE TO HIDE CACHES I'd say that the majority of voters who cared to pipe up and vote was a significantly higher percentage than those who put Mr. Bush in office.
In fact, with only 28 unique visitors posting, exactly 150% of the commenting visitors were in favor...don't you just love numbers??? How they twist and turn at the least likely moment. Of course, we know that not everyone votes; only those who care to voice an opinion.
Of course, maybe we should only poll either paying members and / or THOSE THAT CARE TO HIDE CACHES. Maybe then it wouldn't matter whether it was .2% or 150%, it would only be the voices of those that support the sport through a contribution of their own time / $$$.
Point 3
Obviously no one can prove that without some idiot logging on and becoming a user after the fact just to say, Hey I'm the Troll who plundered your cache. While I won't wait around for that guy, you may want to, that way you could be really sure it would be worth making
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a fundamental change when no actual need has been demonstrated?Definition of Fundamental (Dictionary.com)
Of great significance or entailing major change:
Logging in...an extra 2.5 seconds...There's fundamental change for you...beats global warming in all but .2% of cases, anyway...
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
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Originally posted by Markwell:With this new feature, would the cache show up on a proximity search? The MO caches do. Remember that other people may _unintentionally_ place a cache 5 feet from an existing cache if they can't see them in close proximity.
Struggling with this one, before we go and place a cache, we LOGIN, take a look at what's where, then go and place a cache.
As soon as you LOGIN all the info is available.
It's only to be hidden when trolls who have no username/password are skulking about, or for some reason, legitimate users don't LOGIN.
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Originally posted by ACME geocachers:I thought Jeremy's original "no" was a response to the request, and only a couple of people weren't happy with it. Few people voiced any support for this idea
See poll results...
OK, only 60ish responded, but a 2 to 1 margin in favor of the idea, not what I'd call "few", but your idea of "few" may be different.
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Originally posted by ACME geocachers:If anyone had shown how a required login would protect a cache, I would line up in support of your idea. That has not been the case.
That's why it's an idea, you can't prove any idea without trying it...give it a try, all you have to do is LOGIN...is that so tough, I use 6 different computers on a given day to access the web, I login every time I come to the site, it makes the my cache page work, where is the easiest place to find new caches near to us...otherwise you have to use the search page instead of a single click, takes about 2.5 seconds to LOGIN.
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
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Great Idea, highly in favor of it being for Charter Memebers, anything that improves productivity is great to use as an incentive.
Where we live (Mid Vancouver Island), within 100 miles we have, Not quite the end of the Island to the North, the South tip of the Island, The Lower Mainland (a $100 Round trip ferry ride), Northern Washington State (also a $100 Ferry Round trip with a border crossing), Some North Mainland stuff that's very difficult to get there.
We need to be able "ignore", but then if we are going on a trip to the Mainland or Washington, have the ability to turn them on (like show archived on the my cache page)
A drop down list may work even better, with a choice to ignore, hunt (moves to top of list) and any other option you all can think of...cause I know you can...
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OK all, what is deemed "Inappropriate" from your perspectives?
Pocket knives?
Religious Panphlets?
How about a DVD of an R rated movie, not a Porn flick but one that I wouldn't show my 12 year old.
Nothing provocotive on the cover or anything, ya gotta get it into the DVD player and play it to be offended, assuming that you would be offended by a movie rated R.
OK, my line is...If it's not immediately offensive, like pornographic magazines, Religious Cult
"Watchtower" type of propoganda or if it can't be bought by a teen in the area at the local Walmart, then that's over the line.If a teen can go into Wally's World and buy it, then it's ok by me. What do you all think??
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
Captain No Beard and the Pi RatsAnd just why can't I do the Black Eye here anyway??? It's my Pirate Eye Patch Symbol...I NEED IT!!!
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OK all, what is deemed "Inappropriate" from your perspectives?
Pocket knives?
Religious Panphlets?
How about a DVD of an R rated movie, not a Porn flick but one that I wouldn't show my 12 year old.
Nothing provocotive on the cover or anything, ya gotta get it into the DVD player and play it to be offended, assuming that you would be offended by a movie rated R.
OK, my line is...If it's not immediately offensive, like pornographic magazines, Religious Cult
"Watchtower" type of propoganda or if it can't be bought by a teen in the area at the local Walmart, then that's over the line.If a teen can go into Wally's World and buy it, then it's ok by me. What do you all think??
Keep yer sail 'igh, 'nd move swiftly,
Captain No Beard and the Pi RatsAnd just why can't I do the Black Eye here anyway??? It's my Pirate Eye Patch Symbol...I NEED IT!!!
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AAArgh, Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats 'ere, pipin in wi' a vote a confidence fer the White Rabbit Cache...though it were the mutinyin crew whats done i' theys says it be wunna the best they dun, very clever indeedy say the Wench...If'n yer up fer a daytrip to northern climes...be sure to look up Island, there's quite a little circuit bein' made up the Road towards Nanaimo, and beyond.
Good wishes, 'eres to 'opin yer trip doesn't run into to any giant squidlike creatures...
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Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats[This message was edited by Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats on July 05, 2002 at 09:03 PM.]
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Thanks Jeremy and to Cashew Nut for the first suggestion, a good one, as soon as the option is available, I'll be taking advantage of it.
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Originally posted by Zuckerruebensirup:I don't think the Cap'n was saying that people who don't use a GPSr are less trustworthy at all. I believe his point was that simply hiding the coordinates, while still leaving the maps and clues available to non-registrees, isn't __enough__...it still leaves the caches vulnerable to those who might want to seek them out without registering.
As for accidental finds, obviously changing ANYTHING on the website won't help those. That's up to the hiders to make the caches tougher to stumble across. But by adding one more hoop to jump through on the website, we would at least be (potentially) reducing SOME of the non-friendly access to caches.
Precisely, thanks Z...
Thus my closing, if you're going to hide co-ordinates, an Idea I approve of...you need also to give the option of hiding each of the "fields".
Myself, I'd openly expose the title and the short description...If you wanna know more, type in a half dozen characters.
Keep yer sails 'igh, and move swiftly.
The Cap'n
PS...
And whilst the discussion has turned a little into why hasn't Jeremy piped up recently...I wouldn't mind hearing too...just that you can only divide a guy up how may ways, so hopefully he'll se that folks are waiting to hear what he has to say after some extensive debate has taken place...and give us another 2 cents...worth that is.
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Originally posted by Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats:Part of the problem.
The "problem" I was referring to was not that well intentioned people could find the cache without a GPSr, but that ill-intentioned people could do so without a GPSr, hence my earlier comment in the quote about disarming my own position...You don't need a GPSr or the Co-ordinates to plunder a cache, just have access to the map and the clues.
I thought the context was clear, guess not...
Keep yer sails 'igh, and move swiftly
The Cap'n
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Count me in favor of hiding the co-ordinates before I destroy my own position.
Part of the problem is that many people find the caches without a GPSr. They zoom in on the map, get a very accurate idea of the location, know the area and then decode a hint or two.
In our short month as a cacher we've seen more than a few log entries saying "knew area well, didn't need the gps to find it".
That makes me wonder whether just hiding co-ordinates is enough. So that may not make any difference. When you combine that with "found by accident" caches, I'm not sure how many thirds are really people poaching without logging in.
I like the idea of making it a hiding members choice, pesonally given the option I'd give just the name of the cache and the short description to non-logged in lookers. Really, you could still allow the search engine to find them, without disclosing the exact location, so the argument about people not getting hooked cause they think that there aren't any caches within 50 miles is silly. The reverse is true..."there are 365 caches within 50 miles of your location, click here to join geocaching.com FOR FREE, without giving up tons of personal info or subjucting yourself to loads of spam that most other sites inundate you with" Maybe the thought that the number of members would jump dramatically is the closest one to the mark.
A better job of educating non-member browsers of the incredible friendliness this site provides would help. It is rare that by registering for a site such as this a user suffers such little intrusion...in fact people expect it and don't register because of it...let them know the policy sooner...who knows that may help.
Anyway, give the hiding member the choice or more than one option.
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Van Isle Geo Event?
in Canada
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Spooky...went to sleep last night thinking about...then got an email this am...from another cacher wanting to do an event on Newcastle Island in Nanaimo Harbour...then went to the message board to find this message...Great minds or fools???
Check out the Newcastle Island Marine Park Website! Has group campsite, cooking shelters, and lots of caching area opportunity. It is also the home of (inserting shameless plug...)Pi Rats Kache
Course ye land lubbers would 'ave to take th' fairy...
, but those of ye that need finer dinin' than a cookout can always swim o'er t' th' Dinky Dock Pub and Rest'rant on nearby P.I. (inserting shameless plug...) home of The Captain's Cache or use the Pavillion Canteen type of food. Course if'n yer that desp'rate...th' ol' Cap'n could "hencourage" the Wench inta cookin' fer ye's, too!
With a site like this, ye could decide weth'r t' just come fer the bbq or stay fer th' night, or stay in a hotel or B and B on th' bigger Island (lots near th' Newcastle Ferry) or stay in a B and B on Protection Island (2 available), what'er werks for ye...
Just our (Mid-Hisland 2 doubloons worth)
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[This message was edited by Captain No Beard and the Pi Rats on July 21, 2002 at 10:08 AM.]
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